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#1 Campitor

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:27 PM

Hello everyone,
 
We have noticed that the player feedback is mostly negative and we want to address and acknowledge several points made by the community.

  • Too Pay to Win
    • Unfortunately as a business we are required to make money. We can't run the service off time donations and although I certainly can stand to skip a few meals I think our CMs should still be able to eat. So yes the purpose of this event is to make money. But we want to do so by encouraging player activity during the event period and not 100% direct sale of items. So based on that goal we are looking at revising the event refine rates as follows.
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    • The goal of these changes is to encourage players to hunt for more ores in game. By boosting the free ore refine rates we hope to incentive players to hunt on maps and gather these goods.
  • Future events.
    • Yes there are refine events planned in the future. Currently in the schedule we built out for 2018 the plan is to run a possible refine event for anniversary month, and then Christmas/New Years. We will also experiment with other event types such as a daily giveaways, gear quests with MVP drops, gear quests that do not require silvervine during the event period and others.
    • It is important that we explore new avenues to encouraging player activity.
  • Barrier of Entry
    • Yes, players have noticed that Elunium and Oridecon have gone up in price. This is ultimately a good thing for players wishing to participate in the game economy.
      • Increases in refinement stone prices mean that the rewards for hunting these stones have increased. This means that during this event you should want to hunt stones as you will be able to sell it for more zeny than you would without the event active.

Final Thoughts

  • For smaller mmos events are their life blood. We need to run events because we do not have subscriber numbers that allow the server to coast along, its just the nature of the business. With RESTART we have the opportunity to define these events in a way that makes the sense for the RESTART community. Which is the goal in configuring this event the way we have. We are willing to listen to user feedback on how an event does and change it for the future but we must run events. If we are to run no events then eventually there will be extreme pressure from above to run an event off the shelf that performed well for a more traditionally monetized Ragnarok Server. So we will be moving forward with the event rates as listed in this thread and I hope that the community will provide feedback on what you experienced during the event, how it affected your activities while you played, and just your general view point. My team and I will read it all and take it into consideration for future event mechanic planning.

 

 

POSTS BELOW THIS ARE OLDER FEEDBACK FROM BEFORE THIS WAS POSTED
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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:30 PM

Please note were also trying to make ores and gear easier to obtain from in game activity as well. The goal is to get butts in seats and playing.

 

The problem is the effect on the economy and how it won't be worth upgrading anymore. There's very little in the economy for the average user (especially since consumables are no go) aside from upgrades/upgrade related activity really. 

 

On top of that what when the server is saturated with the overupped gear and the slotted +0 gear doesn't sell anymore?


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:32 PM

Please note were also trying to make ores and gear easier to obtain from in game activity as well. The goal is to get butts in seats and playing.


But you guys learn nothing from past mistakes as you are already repeating them over and over. The silvervines system was a good idea. Was enriched a good idea? About 50/50 but at least it's accessable to f2p players easier....but now u wanna go and do refine events. People on renewal already warned u on chaos over this. Then u implemented it, and it really killed a lot of the server. A lot of the people playing restart LEFT chaos to come here, or came back to the game, because it was free of the destruction you caused to that server. So you aren't "putting butts in the seat" you will just cause the butts who wanted to escape that, to leave.
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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:34 PM

It's just had a bad precedent set on Chaos. First it's a little refine event, then it's a big refine event. 

 

I also think a drop event is a bit much too (I mean do we need that AND Halloween AND refine?) because it accelerates the server's aging. 

 

And you know why is a nightmare in Chaos? because every gear and card give you bonus for upgrade, and specially for those jRO items, here in Chodin RE:Start the only bonus for upgrade is the next ones, Cards: Nine tail, Carat, Orc Baby, Firelock. Gears: Survivor Rod (DEX / INT), Gentleman staff, Healing staff, Skull Cap and his Bonus weapon, mean Evil Bone Wand. of course weapons damage is still a thing, mean is not what everyone cry? mages are weak and blah blah blah? finally here is the chance where every mage can be "OP".

 

Anyway is not like i agreed at all with this event, because this is only the start, i remember Campitor say in Renewal "will be only once in this server, no new one in the future" some months later "Hey guys guess what? the upgrade event is back!" and later on th event become every 3 months, so yeah i can understand the drama at a future point, but be honest dont you guys even think this will happen at some point before play? lol


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:37 PM

The problem is the effect on the economy and how it won't be worth upgrading anymore. There's very little in the economy for the average user (especially since consumables are no go) aside from upgrades/upgrade related activity really. 

 

On top of that what when the server is saturated with the overupped gear and the slotted +0 gear doesn't sell anymore?

I expect this event to break a ton of the +0 gear. Since there is no option to disable breaking. Currently were not endanger of being saturated with overrefined gear yet but it is something I am keeping in the back of my mind.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:38 PM

And you know why is a nightmare in Chaos? because every gear and card give you bonus for upgrade, and specially for those jRO items, here in Chodin RE:Start the only bonus for upgrade is the next ones, Cards: Nine tail, Carat, Orc Baby, Firelock. Gears: Survivor Rod (DEX / INT), Gentleman staff, Healing staff, Skull Cap and his Bonus weapon, mean Evil Bone Wand. of course weapons damage is still a thing, mean is not what everyone cry? mages are weak and blah blah blah? finally here is the chance where every mage can be "OP".

 

Anyway is not like i agreed at all with this event, because this is only the start, i remember Campitor say in Renewal "will be only once in this server, no new one in the future" some months later "Hey guys guess what? the upgrade event is back!" and later on th event become every 3 months, so yeah i can understand the drama at a future point, but be honest dont you guys even think this will happen at some point before play? lol

Please don't post false hoods. That RO1 event has stuck to the original plan of once or twice and year,   

 

Strike that I forgot about the Doram release event that we were pushed to do. To be honest I am trying to push the studio make more varied events, sales items, and promotions so we aren't always running the same cycles of refine events and costumes.

 

 


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:42 PM

Please don't post false hoods. That RO1 event has stuck to the original plan of once or twice and year,

Strike that I forgot about the doram release event that we were pushed to do.


See, how many more refine events will you be "pushed" to do, don't bring them here it's a slippery slope
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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:45 PM

See, how many more refine events will you be "pushed" to do, don't bring them here it's a slippery slope

Were doing it this way so we can show that such promotional events don't need to only benefit the paid ores and can help with over all game activity.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:48 PM

So restart is now #AllOresMatter? The bigger picture is that you are inviting the same nonsense u brought on renewal
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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:50 PM

it doesn't seem very time consuming but i don't really remember 

It was the requests to redeem points and the disputes about all the rules.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:50 PM

It's the same company and the same management guys, why is anyone surprised if Restart follows the footstep of Renewal? It's futile to fight against it. Many of the good players have tried, and failed. WP will keep listening to the whales and bad players.

 

I know I said this exact thing before, but those thread kept getting nuked so I can't quote it again...

 

I blame kRO though. Just have fun while you still can.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:51 PM

Were doing it this way so we can show that such promotional events don't need to only benefit the paid ores and can help with over all game activity.


But can't you see that 99% of players posting on here are NOT wanting this event. Please don't ignore what we're saying. Yes enriched ore will be cheaper... But regular ori and elu will skyrocket. New players won't have the funds for that still. Then +0 gear will skyrocket and new players won't be able to buy it.
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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:54 PM

5% is like nothing, just stop complain about everything... anyway, thx for the event, +5% will helps a little and pay only 10 silvervine for enriched ori/elu will save alot of my zenys.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:55 PM

So restart is now #AllOresMatter? The bigger picture is that you are inviting the same nonsense u brought on renewal

All ores should matter. Elunium/Oridecon should be an exciting drop to get because you can use it instead of it not being worthy for anything but those very basic safe levels. Over all the nature of the events were planning on restart is going to continue to work to encourage rewards for hunting and playing rather than just buying from the shop.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 03:59 PM

But can't you see that 99% of players posting on here are NOT wanting this event. Please don't ignore what we're saying. Yes enriched ore will be cheaper... But regular ori and elu will skyrocket. New players won't have the funds for that still. Then +0 gear will skyrocket and new players won't be able to b

i want it... ori and elu going cheaper, because 10 silvervine is more cheaper than overpriced 80k ORI and 70k ELU. Overupgraded gear going to be cheaper too, because every1 going to upgrade and the market is already satured of those items.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 04:04 PM

All ores should matter. Elunium/Oridecon should be an exciting drop to get because you can use it instead of it not being worthy for anything but those very basic safe levels. Over all the nature of the events were planning on restart is going to continue to work to encourage rewards for hunting and playing rather than just buying from the shop.


5% won't do much to encourage ppl to use reg ores over enriched, and history has shown that the prices go up and only help those who already have disposable income get ahead more while those starting up will struggle more, go on ragial, check what just happened to silvervines, yes Ori prices will go up but not enough to make up for the increase in the base gear prices as well as trying to buy silvervines for pots just to compete. New players who think the 5% will help them that much, will break the gear they spent their savings on because they couldn't afford the silvervines that just jumped over 100k and still rising

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 04:05 PM

i want it... ori and elu going cheaper, because 10 silvervine is more cheaper than overpriced 80k ORI and 70k ELU. Overupgraded gear going to be cheaper too, because every1 going to upgrade and the market is already satured of those items.


Silvervine 10 is 73-80k. About the same as buying elu or ori. But now with more people needing it the prices will rise even more than what they're already rising.
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Posted 17 October 2017 - 04:08 PM

you trade an ori/elu and 10 silver vine for an enriched. It'll prob get more expensive with the event.

 

Idk why people are worried about this 5% increase is not the same as renewal with safe to +7 or when you fail it just -1 rather than break.

 

 


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 04:08 PM

Anyway, is you will put this event i have just a "request" and 1 question about it:

 

Question, you table about the chances talk about HD ores, mean you will put those for this event period? or will be implement permanent?

 

and my request is...please TEST IT!, you remember what happening the 1st time you implement this kind of event in renewal? the HD Carnium and Bradium was working just fine but the enriched NPC just dont, give the normal chances so, was a break nightmare lol., so AGAIN, TEST IT PLEASE!

 

now about the event whats going on? i click in the link but nothing new about the event lol.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 04:12 PM

i want it... ori and elu going cheaper, because 10 silvervine is more cheaper than overpriced 80k ORI and 70k ELU. Overupgraded gear going to be cheaper too, because every1 going to upgrade and the market is already satured of those items.

 

You need the Ori/Elu AND 10 Silvervine to get an Enriched Ori/Elu through the NPC, right now, it is 15 Silvervine. But the important part is, you NEED the ORE AND the SV


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 04:45 PM

My issue is with further pushing Gear towards high upgrades trivially. Yes, elu and ori will be worth more but it will also cause silvervine to rise which is an important aspect. We don't really need easier upgrades in the current state of the game. I don't believe it's healthy in the long term.

There are better ways to get people to play that aren't so damaging.

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Posted 17 October 2017 - 04:54 PM

yeah so its more expensive to upgrade because of ori and silvervine going up which kind of counteracts the 5% tbh lol. the +9s don't really matter most gear doesn't even benefit from being over upped. More of a problem later when more gear has x% effect per upgrade.

 

All I can think of atm is like evil bone wand +10 and skull cap +7. I guess maestro hat  and firelock footgears. This event will prob just break a lot more gear than normal people trying go +9/+10 on stuff.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 04:57 PM

Anyway, is you will put this event i have just a "request" and 1 question about it:

 

Question, you table about the chances talk about HD ores, mean you will put those for this event period? or will be implement permanent?

 

and my request is...please TEST IT!, you remember what happening the 1st time you implement this kind of event in renewal? the HD Carnium and Bradium was working just fine but the enriched NPC just dont, give the normal chances so, was a break nightmare lol., so AGAIN, TEST IT PLEASE!

 

now about the event whats going on? i click in the link but nothing new about the event lol.

This event will work because its no longer baked into the server executable due to that. That is why we can configure the rates, because of that error we pushed for it so we can be sure the event is happening 100% as intended.

 

The zones also spit out a log of the current refine rates on start up so we can double check.


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 05:01 PM

enrich event is ok, stop rage on it

 its give a chance to refine some +4 gear more

 and price down to +7 and more gear 

 

 also, its destroy a LOT of cheap +0 grab eqs from vends

 

 

 but

 

we all wanna SPAWN INCREASE IN GD (expect Luina)

  Alde Castles is amazin becouse its have 1 GD for leveling on high levels

 and all other... meh (we can lvling in prontera gd only with  priest+30lvl mage, or something else,  its not normal T_T)

 

i dont say about bots, and other things....

 

 

but yeah, zeny silk is need to odin now 


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Posted 17 October 2017 - 06:33 PM

Lol yea check ragial, the idea to put more butts in the seat is already tanking. New f2p players won't even be able to afford silvervines to get their foot in the door to compete with people at this point
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