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#126 xepherian

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:21 PM

i normally wouldn't care about this event, because I don't really refine. i only care because everyone else seems to be extremely invested in voicing their opinion; surely WP would be wise to listen to these criticisms and take them to heart.


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#127 Stephcake

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 12:11 AM

Pinning the discussion thread and then putting the event in anyway despite 99% negative feedback seems extremely patronising.
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#128 Ashuckel

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 01:59 AM

that happened on Chaos as well, even after i made a +18 weapon on sakray at first try :T
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#129 NaryaDL0re

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 02:27 AM

Overwatch apparently has gotten a bit p2w-ish recently but I don't play so I can't comment exactly on that game.. Hearthstone however is 100% pay 2 win. Bliz has this game set up so if you don't buy card packs, you have almost zero chance of getting into the bigger leagues. So even Bliz sees the value of the P2W aspect.

 

Nothing in Overwatch can be purchased that increases power. The game is 100% cosmetic in terms of what you can buy.

 

Hearthstone was not on my list, for good reason. The TCG/CCG genre is inherently P2P/W designed right now. (Though you could change that model as well)

(Also Hearthstone is easily playable free and still be competitive, its mostly a question of time investment even in that game, just google "hearthstone free to play legend run")

 

 

And guess what, those games have the most elitist community ever seen. No new player can join those games because they will NEVER catch up and will get eaten alive by the current player base.

 

A good balance of micro transaction can work and create a good community that isn't all about omg you're so p2w you can't play you noob.

 

League of Legends, World of Warcraft, Overwatch, Hots, ... for none of the mentioned games is your statement remotely true.

You can raid mythic, play league/hots/overwatch on diamond+ rank within months of just investing nothing but free time.

 

With very very few (cosmetic) exceptions there is nothing that you cannot achieve in a reasonable amount of time in those games.

 

And yet they are insanely profitable, not just because of their huge player-bases, but profitable per player.

It's also not because of them being big companies. Riot was more or less nothing before LoL.

 

These games have many things in common. One being:  A LONG-TERM POLICY OF NOT SELLING SIGNIFICANT POWER FOR REAL MONEY.

 

You want an example of a game by Blizzard that they almost killed an entire franchise with? Diablo 3 real money auction house.

They killed their own game with their 1 attempt at P2W! And to save their game they had to remove that kind of option completely!

 

You still need a good game ofc. But people play THIS server because the already loved RO in 2004 for what it was.

Not because we want an instant gratification game that has a destroyed economy, power-level and playerbase within a year.


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#130 toastbr0t

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 06:15 AM

Overwatch apparently has gotten a bit p2w-ish recently but I don't play so I can't comment exactly on that game.. Hearthstone however is 100% pay 2 win. Bliz has this game set up so if you don't buy card packs, you have almost zero chance of getting into the bigger leagues. So even Bliz sees the value of the P2W aspect.

how has overwatch gotten p2w i might ask?i played for quite a bit but all you can get out of lootboxes (which are in itself ok, i guess but it started a trend of full price games having lootboxes for ingame loot, non costumes) are skins, sprays and other non-gameplay influenting items.

also the guy didnt use hearthstone in his post, rather heroes of the storm. which is in a way pay to win as well, you grind for ingame currency to unlock the heroes - or buy them with cash. with hearthstone however i agree, anyone who would start the game now is lagging behind in massive content, such as the adventures and the cards you get from those, which are abolutely needed to be competitive.

 

and obviously blizzard sees the p2w aspect, they are a company and their goal is profit. the profits from microtransactions are massive. i don't even mind them in overwatch myself, not being able to buy the skins i want but rather having to buy lootboxes, to hope for the ones i want or getting duplicates for ingame currency is ridiculous however.

 

and destiny 2 going the way with lootboxes having ingame loot that can be used in competitive environments and also just fasten your progress in the game made me not wanting to buy it anymore. and with bull-_- like this: https://www.rollings...e-items-w509288 they are not making any friends.

 

the thing here is: money talks. people are paying for these things. and greedy publishers will keep doing this -_- unless people stop paying for it - which doesn't seem like it's happening anytime soon.

 

remember how we used to laugh at the horse armor DLC in oblivion? welcome to the future.

 

 

onto topic however: i believe a subscription based system with cosmetic microtransactions to be the best model there is right now. world of warcraft and final fantasy 14 use these models and both games are popular and successful.

 

RO however is an old ass game that most likely won't attract many new paying customers and over time people lose interest and gravity is most likely pushing for profit, as any game company does. a sub model with cosmetic microtransactions is probably not realistic, sadly.


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Posted 19 October 2017 - 07:34 AM

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#132 DeltaAngel

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 03:29 AM

Oh, well. Lucky for you guys.
All my ores got wasted, all my silvervines smoked and gears exploded. Couldn't pass +7  :heh:

As a new player here, if I've sold my ores and SV instead wouldn't be able to buy ONE piece of +9, but some cheap +7 equips or cards  :wah:

it's easy get +7 stuff now? No doubt! 

+7 stuff help newbies? Not really, as they still need the card and the most benefits comes from it.

it's easy get +9 stuff now? Not really.

it's cheaper get +9 stuff? Not really as the prices go up as the sucess rate  :hmm: 

My 2cents? THIS event isn't a big deal. What comes next maybe  :questionmark: 
 

 


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#133 xepherian

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 12:17 PM


it's easy get +9 stuff now? Not really.

it's cheaper get +9 stuff? Not really as the prices go up as the sucess rate  :hmm:

My 2cents? THIS event isn't a big deal. What comes next maybe  :questionmark: 
 

 

i'm personally responsible for the destruction of 16 slotted boots. now i hate mi life.


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#134 Bazzz

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 12:46 PM

I feel like adding more quality of life stuff to VIP is a good route.

 

People might disagree but having vip only content events to encourage everyone to have it for that month i think is a pretty good idea. It works well in other games rather than just adding more exp/drops which actually just mean people have less to do quicker. Reward useful consumables (woe related <3) and costume hats. 

 

Locking some stuff behind vip also means bots can't really ruin it unless they are willing to pay :^)

 

 

Also make it so you can take any headgear in the game add like 500 silvervine to make it into a costume. That seems like some pretty easy money if it's easy to do of course. 

 

edit: PVP Events! Don't know exactly how but I'd pay for that -_-!


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#135 xepherian

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 02:14 PM


Also make it so you can take any headgear in the game add like 500 silvervine to make it into a costume. That seems like some pretty easy money if it's easy to do of course. 

 

 

 

for real this is like my #1 request rn. let me wear my damn angel helm or boys cap w/o its cruddy stats.


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#136 Wolfen

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 03:27 PM

Pretty much similar to Evil bunny shield.
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#137 toastbr0t

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 08:09 PM

for real this is like my #1 request rn. let me wear my damn angel helm or boys cap w/o its cruddy stats.

ive been bumping the thread for this for a while pls


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Posted 23 October 2017 - 08:37 PM

ive been bumping the thread for this for a while pls

 

sry i don't mean to make it seem like i'm taking credit, i mean to say 'this is what i would love to see in the game the most'


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#139 toastbr0t

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Posted 23 October 2017 - 08:49 PM

sry i don't mean to make it seem like i'm taking credit, i mean to say 'this is what i would love to see in the game the most'

that's fine, the more the merrier. this is my #1 issue as well right now

it's definitely possible, i've seen this on a couple pservers years back


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Posted 24 October 2017 - 05:20 AM

Please, keep the discussion just about the event.


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Posted 24 October 2017 - 10:34 AM

i thought the thread was about suggesting possible events for future? are we not doing that?

suggesting regular headgears to become costume without stats can be an event time exclusive event where you can only make turn normal gear to costumes similar to fishing event or just an event reward requiring the actual gear and silvervine to complete. 

 

also this refine event for me and majority of the people i play with did not bother with this event as we are all either well geared already or just could care less about refines because it adds little to no significant benefits aside from bragging rights that you have +9 or higher gear. 


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#142 heickelrrx

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:03 PM

as far as I know, overrefined gear on Renewal Mechanic won't do much

 

 

this girl doing comparison on +0-> +10 on revo server

 

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and I found it doesn't do much

 

so if y gus saying it's p2w then it is always p2w, the question is whether it bring huge impact to the game or not

 

and on real combat situation, i don't think so

 

 

PS : girl video based on idRO Revo server


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#143 Bazzz

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 12:34 PM

jokes on you if you chose to upgraded garments. 

 

don't worry if you have any left over enriched at least you can use them on your new bag!


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Posted 09 November 2017 - 03:44 AM

lol that server are the indo official server tho?


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