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#51 iSeenUB4

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 12:51 PM

If you want a zeny sink, put in an NPC every 2 months with a donation goal of 5b total or so (depending on what you think is reachable / amount may vary and adjust to current total zeny of the server) that has to be met within a week, where you can type the amount of zeny you want to donate in a text box, minimum donation amount 1,000z, and if the donation goal is reached there will be a week of double exp / tripple exp / etc. / whatever else you can come up with.

This will drain zeny from all players and will benefit all players, especially new ones.

 

 

1. will not help at all with the bot situation unless you completely remove the value of those items and have them be sold for 10z each.

Do not add those items to NPC shops please, don't!

This idea is genius, you could even set rewards in tiers depending on the amount donated. That way you could incentivize people to donate


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 12:53 PM

First I thought it was a thread to expose bots, and where we could find them. Like a bot hunting for the community (something like the Air Strike thread), but then ...

I was like, what?!

 

I've suggested that in the past but it's w/e lol 

 

I'm not sure how I feel about number one.   I do take time out of my day to farm some supplies.    There are maps were a lot of bots are at where you farm items for alchemist potion creating.    Bylan Island lvl 3 is always packed.   Orc2 is starting to get packed, and so forth.      I do take the time out to take screenshots and such for reporting reasons.     I'm indifferent to it all lol Aside from that I appreciate the effort you guys are putting in.     I look forward to hearing about your solutions Camp.   


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#53 Svoike

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 12:53 PM

Fourth idea: A "Lets report Bots"-Event.

 

Top 10 Highscore Player-list ( most reported bots) will get a fancy prize !

 

Naturally with record/video proof !


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#54 Bazzz

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 12:56 PM

A 5b zeny sink probably doesn't even remove more than a couple days worth of all the zeny being brought into the game through npc loot.

 

It's like trying to empty a bucket with a pin hole in the bottom when it's being filled with a garden hose. 

 

I should say that yeah put in all these sink methods including the wss and all that to combat inflation, but it does not "Removing the benefit of botting." 

 


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 12:56 PM

If you want a zeny sink, put in an NPC every 2 months with a donation goal of 5b total or so (depending on what you think is reachable / amount may vary and adjust to current total zeny of the server) that has to be met within a week, where you can type the amount of zeny you want to donate in a text box, minimum donation amount 1,000z, and if the donation goal is reached there will be a week of double exp / tripple exp / etc. / whatever else you can come up with.

This will drain zeny from all players and will benefit all players, especially new ones.

 

 

1. will not help at all with the bot situation unless you completely remove the value of those items and have them be sold for 10z each.

Do not add those items to NPC shops please, don't!

Weekly donation NPC would be cool. It could be made like the trick-or-treat npc, where users could donate something like 50-100k/attempt and receive the gum/exp/stat buff/a few silvervine or whatever every 30 minutes. Then they could use the "donated" zeny to run some kind of event depending on the zeny.

 

I think adding potion mats like white/blue herbs is fine as they do not generate points for alchemists, but no to the WSS.

Another thing to add: RED AND YELLOW GEMSTONES. Why haven't these been added yet? Just make them the same price as blue gemstones. It's 2017--nobody wants to waste time trading them at the NPC.


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 12:57 PM

Just give us a ingame report possibility for bots. I mean, i love the idea of #1, but still, it'd be so awesome to just PM a char named "gm.com" and every GM on the "24/7 bot-hunting-team" could read it and take actions immediately. Every friggin server gets this done, like..seriously.


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 12:59 PM

Please don't add cactus needle/witch starsand to the NPC, making woe pots heal 50% more has already screwed ranked alchemists enough... Strawberries and other stuff might be bearable.

 

You should really make something quest/event wise or MVP droping to get those items instead, though...


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:05 PM

Yeah and there are better ways like:

1.- Castles give treasures with materials like 1 supplie box= 200 WSS or trade stuff from castles for supplies / materials (Example: Mufflers= 100 Fabrics) and to avoid the botted mufflers make different ID from de Mufflers of castles.

 

 

 

I think it would be wise to not put woe supplies in treasures, or you're just making the strong stronger. WoE supplies should be available regardless of your WoE status so you can choose to participate at any time. 


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#59 Xerain

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:12 PM

I think the only 100% effective way to combat bots would be the hypothetical idea I had back when the Valkyrie server launched way back when.

 

Make trading, vending, and Mailing/RODexing zeny and items VIP only. Similarly non VIP can only drop 1 item at a time. Card become undroppable. Never give out free VIP. Bots would still be able to transfer rare gear, but that beats having non VIP unable to drop junk gear. The rest of the restrictions would be enough to force Botters to pay real money for each bot, as they couldn't make enough of an in game profit from gear alone... And thus their ability to make an IRL profit is hampered with each bot costing $2 USD per week to run. As a side note, it would pretty much be changing the game's profit model significantly from "Free to Play" with VIP to "Free to Start" with Subscription. It would have fit nicely on the Valkyrie server back when the main servers were still subscription based.

 

That being said, it would probably would be a terrible idea to make those changes to an existing server, so I'm not sure why I even mention it.

 


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:12 PM

People thinking pot mats being bought from npc will ruin economy -_0

 

This is a much needed change. I can not believe people think botters will actually start potting lmfao


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:12 PM

 

sorry more this works much more than doing the server turn private;)
 
Sorry for breaking the forum rules.
 
 
ragnarok online gravindo bot hunter .....

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#62 SchweppesBitterL

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:27 PM

 

 

sorry more this works much more than doing the server turn private;)
 
Sorry for breaking the forum rules.
 
 
ragnarok online gravindo bot hunter .....

 

 

haha thats realy an nice idea but if you hunt at the moment an mvp or they are nice loot like a rare card... that sucks i think so :o


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:36 PM

If you want a zeny sink, put in an NPC every 2 months with a donation goal of 5b total or so (depending on what you think is reachable / amount may vary and adjust to current total zeny of the server) that has to be met within a week, where you can type the amount of zeny you want to donate in a text box, minimum donation amount 1,000z, and if the donation goal is reached there will be a week of double exp / tripple exp / etc. / whatever else you can come up with.

This will drain zeny from all players and will benefit all players, especially new ones.

 

This sounds like an amazing idea! I love it.

 

 

I also like the idea of having more quests in the game. But not the kind that you can farm on one char and turn in on another. Like if it's "bring me 100 jellopy" make it "bring me 100 jellopy, and kill 100 poring. Then go tell my brother(on another map) his food is getting cold" etc.


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:38 PM

Ban or wipe zeny buying players accounts.

$100USD for 1Billion zeny is just plain messed up.

Every illegal transaction kills Odin restart little by little. Instead of the money going back into it and suporting WP. The gap widening between legit and non legit players...


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:49 PM

People thinking pot mats being bought from npc will ruin economy -_0

 

This is a much needed change. I can not believe people think botters will actually start potting lmfao

 

... thats actually happening, some rank players have their own bots and other dont but buy botted WSS thats why campitor is doing this

 

Ban or wipe zeny buying players accounts.

$100USD for 1Billion zeny is just plain messed up.

Every illegal transaction kills Odin restart little by little. Instead of the money going back into it and suporting WP. The gap widening between legit and non legit players...

 

GMs doing this long time ago, ban the player wipe all zenny / gear was buying with real money and then leave you free, thats why players still buying zenny from bots, because no matter, they will be free to do again and again.


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#66 Xerain

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:53 PM

As for feed back... I have mixed feelings about #1. "Everything is useful an can be sold" is part of the spirit of RO. Especially restart. I think one of the reasons there's more outrage about the bots on this server compared to some of the other servers is because many of us players want to be the ones running around on these maps farming these items and profiting. Not so much the strawberries, but I make my first 500k from stems. But unfortunately, it's also what makes the game such a target for bots, to be certain.

 

Selling these items at NPCs wouldn't stop any of them from being botted, it would just be fixing the botted items to 80% of what the NPC sells them for. In order to be effective, all of these items would have to be account bound when dropped from monsters. I don't really see that happening. On the other hand it would add a needed zeny sink for high level guilds. This would actually be pretty interesting and could slow down normal non player induced inflation. It would do nothing for the bot masters and their trillions of zeny spread across however many alt accounts though, since I doubt they participate in alchemist rankings. Then again, no zeny sink would. The only way to get the bot master's trillions of zeny out of the economy and and unavailable for RMT is to hit all their accounts hard and fast at once. In other worse, point #3 is the most important one. Let's hope the studio cares enough to work on this.

 

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When it comes to gearing new players... sounds like we're getting modified Eden? My only gripe about Eden is it empties out the cities. You should disable vending entirely inside Eden if you go this route, IMO.


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 01:57 PM

Once you wipe them, put them on a watchlist for a few months. You catch them twice and they won't keep wasting money. Or god forbid they donate the right way and help the server.

As of now I havent heard of a single player on restart being wiped for illegal zeny buying. This has to change.

Real player poplation is low. Easy to keep an eye on 50 or so repeat offenders.

Need more player ban/wipes. As of now it's the wild west with no rule enforcement.


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 02:01 PM

Some thoughts...

 

Put GSB (one with more refined drops for Restart) into Biolab monster's drops when Bios is implimented. GSB isn't really needed pretrans, but could be useful in combating common bot items.

 

Make a globally accessible guild dungeon (PK map) that only spawns for 30 minutes upon a donation of xxx amount of zeny (at least a few million zeny) and a global cooldown of 1 hour. Load the map with bathatories or monsters that drop GSB. This will encourage party play and/or pvp. 


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 02:06 PM

... thats actually happening, some rank players have their own bots and other dont but buy botted WSS thats why campitor is doing this

 

 

GMs doing this long time ago, ban the player wipe all zenny / gear was buying with real money and then leave you free, thats why players still buying zenny from bots, because no matter, they will be free to do again and again.

 

There's a difference between guilds potting using bots, and your average botter/ zeny seller potting.

 

NPC having pot mats won't affect guilds. But to claim average botter/ zeny seller will start potting is just ridiculous.


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 02:08 PM

 

The quickest return on efforts bots can get is consumables and crafting items for other consumables. Since these are always in demand they tend to sell well to the player economy. Unfortunately this has also always historically been the best route for new users to earn a little zeny to get started.
Were going to turn many of these items into NPC sold. To start with WSS, Stems, Strawberries, Blue Herbs. With plans to expand later into other items should the tests go will. They will be sold for near market value of these items
 
 

 

 

Dude, stop saying this obvious things.

 

OFC those consumables are important for new players to get the zeny and THATS WHY It is important you BAN THEM DONT YOU GET IT?

 

BECAUSE they are getting the zeny that players should get. That's why you need to ban them.

 

Lower chance for new players...sigh..


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 02:17 PM

We have a meeting with the studio head on friday to discuss increasing the health of the server. That is why we had a plan more or less ready to start gathering user feedback. The bots are always on our minds.

 

You have a meeting on Friday and get feedbacks 2 days before?


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 02:50 PM

If you can still sugest inflation control ideas, i would like:

1.- add a 5-10% tax on any zeny trade either by trade, merchant vend skill or rodex sent. There is a limit ob how big the inflation can get before the tax removes the same amount of z being generated.

2.- prohibit every new acount from dropping items, tradeing, rodexing or buying/ vending from merchants. Until a GM gets a request from said acount to be released. That way every boted zeny or item becomes worthless since it becomes acount bound.

As for the sugestions camp, the zeny sink is a welcomed adition
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Posted 29 November 2017 - 03:10 PM

Will you also put sl shoes and sl mufflers to npc because they are farmed by bots? or mabye thara cards? what when they start farmin abyscards after rebirth? do you put them also in shop? maybe you should make a shop for all items? Do you think this is a smart idea? All i can read is "oh damn we sucked, bots owned this server. we dont know how to stop them so we accept the situation, accept the game is destroyed and open npcshop with unlimited supply and think this will change -_-." if you wanted to make us think this is a smart idea. sorry, you failed.

bots sell loot to npc and will be profitable forever. maybe they do some zeny less per hour, so they make 10 bots more... wtf.

 

to give all stuff easy to the people is just erasing the need to play the game. what do you want us to do ingame? mvp 24/7 and 2 hours woe a week? thats it? really?

 

you want feedback?  You failed. There is no rescue for this server. Bots, WoE Supplys, everything for free or cashsop, no costs ingame. elu 500k LOL. what do you do? introduce another shty upgrade to +x cashshop bestinslot item. omfg. how many inactive ex-vip accounts do you have? this server feels like its 10 years old....i bet so many people left because of the situation we have--- woe supplys....bots...cant you just make that we can play the original ragnarok online? this is not that much fun it could be...

 

 


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Posted 29 November 2017 - 03:10 PM

I would suggest a type of antibot test that would be of great use in improving the server, causing more people to want to play and that others who gave up for this reason come back. This test can appear for each person who is not in cities in 30-minute intervals.

 

Here is a demo video I found on youtube:

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Posted 29 November 2017 - 03:22 PM

what if you are afk and dont respond?


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