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#1 pp322

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:09 AM

I just try to kill Shadow Chaser Gertie with 100+ tokens

Did Bio5 MVP back to full HP when idle or token bomb?


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#2 Jerbear

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:12 AM

https://forums.warpp...al-maintenance/

 

BIO Lab 5 MVP AI change

  • 5% Chance when idle and HP is less than 30% to self heal.

 


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Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:13 AM

I think it's a change for the better, since you ain't supposed to abuse tokens like this.

Edited by LordYggdrasill, 04 December 2017 - 08:19 AM.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:15 AM

As one who has killed it several times, it doesn't reset even if you party wipe once or twice. It has to remain idle for a little bit.

 

The AI change is doing its job perfectly as it makes it pretty much impossible for Genetics to cheese it with Tokens now. There's too much idle time between Full Heal range and time of death (especially with Max Pain) for them to be able to kill it in this manner.

 

EDIT: I see u edited ur post nvm


Edited by Jerbear, 04 December 2017 - 08:16 AM.

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#5 LordYggdrasill

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:17 AM

Yeah I like this change. It prevents token bomb cheaters while not penalizing legitimate players from accidentally dying 1-2 times. Seems that WP found a good solution/compromise to this problem, well done I say.

Edited by LordYggdrasill, 04 December 2017 - 08:22 AM.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:22 AM

now with 200 tokens i'm done.


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Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:26 AM

Umm seriously I don't understand the mentality of token bombers, is it really fun or fulfilling at all to play RO this way? For me if I need to use more than 10 tokens to get past an instance or MVP, I'd quit that run, improve my skills/gears and try again next time. Perhaps the reward for beating Bio 5 MVPs is so irresistible that some ppls are going at it despite the fact that it brings more torture than fun and accomplishment.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 08:40 AM

Given the low drop rate of Cursed Crystal, it's now increasingly more difficult to justify Token bombing it. As OP said, he burned through 200 Tokens and gave up. Another Token bomber actually just killed it with a lucky AI sequence (5% to start casting), but it went through a Full Heal cycle 3~4 times prior to it--making it far more expensive to do than it used to be. Plus no guarantee on Crystals.

 

Honestly, it should probably start its Full Heal sequence around 50% max HP with a 10% chance. People that are in a party will have no issue taking care of it because you don't let it go idle with > 1 person--even if you party wipe to an unfortunate Max Pain. Res up, start tanking again immediately.


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Posted 04 December 2017 - 09:14 AM

Oh, is it 5% chance to self-full-heal?

I just assumed it was like the other MVPs idle 9999 HP heal, etc.


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Posted 04 December 2017 - 09:20 AM

Correct, it is a full heal. That's confirmed.


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Posted 04 December 2017 - 09:20 AM

Other mvps need this
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Posted 04 December 2017 - 09:21 AM

Oh, is it 5% chance to self-full-heal?

I just assumed it was like the other MVPs idle 9999 HP heal, etc.

 

i'm not sure but I think YES it's full heal

And now she already death. I talk with killer then he said kill with sura 1 punch 22m


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Posted 04 December 2017 - 09:30 AM

^Someone Token bombed it.

 

Unfortunately, with a 5% chance to begin casting (and 30% HP has most of them sit in the area of ~4.5m HP), eventually, it will dillydally enough to be brute forced with Tokens still. It's just a question of how long would it take? You would simply need to get lucky with an AI sequence that did not see a Max Pain cast at < 30% HP and it cast its Full Heal late/not at all.

 

An increase in the HP threshold to begin casting it and a higher percentage rate to do so would actually eliminate the possibility of Token bombing entirely. Additionally, an increase does not punish legitimate parties through accidental wipes as can already be seen @ 5% w/ 30% HP. Every party that I have seen kill it (myself included) either does not wipe, or begins tanking it again immediately after a mistake to ensure it does not fall into idle protocol for long / at all.

 

That's just my feedback, though.


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Posted 04 December 2017 - 02:15 PM

The reward is just too massive, chance for 100-500 cursed fragments, thats like 1b+ for cost of 30-50 tokens. With this change i hope more party make it to bio5. I recognize pp322 in bio5, since not many ppl actually do bio5; i have some reservations on gene token-bombing mvp. You're not supposed to be able to solo bio5 mvp.

 

Each time im in there farming for fragments and after meeting the conditions for spawning mvp, there is not much anyone can do about it except for gene. Even the genes in our party would just tp out of the party and dash for the north part of the map in hopes of token bombing the mvp(and they wont even share if it drop(-__-).

 

pp322 spend 200 tokens, thats like 100mil? Compare with rewards, 100-500 fragments, 400mil-1b++, with chance to get mvp cards. Its still profitable provided of course u spam token even more faster so that u minimize idle time.


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Posted 04 December 2017 - 02:21 PM

i tried self-duoing this same gertie last night since the map was completely empty after the other doram left.

easy as pie to tank... a nightmare to actually get setup though. mvp teles and brings the tank with. staying alive for that part is easy. its the annoyance of dragging it all the way back to the gen that was a problem. everytime i get like 20 cells away from my own gen to start bombing... teleport. like 20 minutes of teleporting and never got one bomb off with the gen because i never could get the 2 close enough together without getting tele'd away again.

pain in the booty, really.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 04:24 PM

What are people's thoughts on instead of full-heal, to do [some fraction] heal?


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 04:38 PM

What are people's thoughts on instead of full-heal, to do [some fraction] heal?

 

The point of full healing is to not let it idle. So it needs to stay full otherwise cheesing can still occur more than what it can now :X


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 05:12 PM

But cheese is delicious.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 06:02 PM

What are people's thoughts on instead of full-heal, to do [some fraction] heal?


I saw Gene with 2Kiel spam CC like AK47 and Sura tanky as h*ll maybe TAO and GTB kill MVP in 1min
Now make rich richer
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 06:10 PM

if it is a fraction heal, maybe increase the proc chance to be a little bit higher
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 06:21 PM

The point of full healing is to not let it idle. So it needs to stay full otherwise cheesing can still occur more than what it can now :X

I'm not saying like 1/8 heal. I was more thinking 1/3.

5% still seems like a lot when its in any single state, though I've never actually paid attention to that sort of stuff when I play. I don't know how long it takes to for it to 'become idle.'


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 06:26 PM

I saw Gene with 2Kiel spam CC like AK47 and Sura tanky as h*ll maybe TAO and GTB kill MVP in 1min
Now make rich richer

 

The rich always get richer. There is no way you can stop this. Make the map PK and it might help because right now only Gen seems to relevant in iRO as WoE/PvP got rekt and its gone now  :heh:


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:38 PM

The rich always get richer. There is no way you can stop this. Make the map PK and it might help because right now only Gen seems to relevant in iRO as WoE/PvP got rekt and its gone now :heh:


and sura, genes number one lover tanker. From the beginning of the game it’s always been gene sura combo to win everything in game content wise. Not surprised that even bio5 mvp gets deleted this way
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Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:52 PM

Seems like it's working as intended then, most of the times at least; barring lucky people who evade that 5% chance.


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Posted 05 December 2017 - 07:55 PM

Rich always gets richer, the poor gets poorer. That gap is very very hard to be closed down.

 

More funds, more resources, even if they only make 5% of their networth, its still more than 5000% of the poorest poor.


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