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#76 Twistex

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 08:05 AM

Maybe u can play all day everyday but people with life cant do it and if u r a guy who handle to play 30 hours per week u dont want to come back after 1 week of no play to found ur 100m hard to get become into 70m. This server only need investment machine system. Withthat system we made a market over mats also news can join in that economy with mats they got on fields. Them this system sink alot of zeny from server because everyone gonna preffer use this system insted of silverines for potions. Also silverine had alot of better uses. If u add investment system we can change buff miracle stats to 10 sv for vip and 25 for non vip. Because if u want to spend zeny on foods u can make it woth mats from investmentsystem. This way people r going to keep buying loots of silverine but prices r not going to increase like now because we got investment system for sink zeny. I used this system con chaos server and i spend like 500m every week. If every user start with it. We going to see a real sink of zeny. Also this system is permanent so server not going to get that inflation again. Also the game stops be a p2w where 10bucks buys u everything.


I'd be more than willing to part with every Z i have if it meant the economy would be fixed

But it isnt and it wont be until people stop being greedy.
You can have 100mil or 50bil for a month and then the server shuts down, now you have 0z -or- you take a massive cut(75-90%) now and the server might live longer
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#77 Zcion

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 10:18 AM

How about a NPC that sells battle manuals for the zenny and the price you'd like the server's economy be worth compared to also getting them through cash shop. This way you limit the person to be having to use battle manuals every 30 minutes (Don't know if bots can consume such items). People can level up using these and not having to increase all server's exp/drop rates. 


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#78 AMFH403

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 11:28 AM

How about a NPC that sells battle manuals for the zenny and the price you'd like the server's economy be worth compared to also getting them through cash shop. This way you limit the person to be having to use battle manuals every 30 minutes (Don't know if bots can consume such items). People can level up using these and not having to increase all server's exp/drop rates.


Excellent idea... except since everyone has hundreds of billions on a bunch of char, coupled with easy leveling. The people who do have money barely need manuals to level and even if so, they have 2bil per char lol. Maybe if there were no bots and 5 zeros were taken off every character it would be feasible.
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#79 Wolfen

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 11:49 AM

The answer is, put a zeny fee for everything.

Player vend shop? Pit a 10% tax on each vend (lets say i vend silvervines for 15m, and when it gets vended i get 13.5m and 1.5m disapears as tax).
Direct trade? The same, i trade for 10m, when the trade is finished i get 9m and 1m disapears as tax.
The same for rodex. The point is to make zeny disapeae on each transaction involving it.

Another option is making silvervines require zenny. For example, add a zeny fee fee for each use of silvervine, for example you could ask for 10k per silvervine when converting them (6 silvervine + 60k for 1 woe pot box, 480 silvervines + 4.8m for a bm box). The point is, make zeny usefull in a way that gets removed and without stepping on the whales that buy directly with KP
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#80 Twistex

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 12:01 PM

The answer is, put a zeny fee for everything.

Player vend shop? Pit a 10% tax on each vend (lets say i vend silvervines for 15m, and when it gets vended i get 13.5m and 1.5m disapears as tax).
Direct trade? The same, i trade for 10m, when the trade is finished i get 9m and 1m disapears as tax.
The same for rodex. The point is to make zeny disapeae on each transaction involving it.

Another option is making silvervines require zenny. For example, add a zeny fee fee for each use of silvervine, for example you could ask for 10k per silvervine when converting them (6 silvervine + 60k for 1 woe pot box, 480 silvervines + 4.8m for a bm box). The point is, make zeny usefull in a way that gets removed and without stepping on the whales that buy directly with KP


A tax or straight forward deletion of zeny is what is needed for sure. But the people who are the problem will cry about it too much and it will never happen
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#81 Stephcake

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Posted 21 January 2018 - 03:37 PM

The answer is, put a zeny fee for everything.

Player vend shop? Pit a 10% tax on each vend (lets say i vend silvervines for 15m, and when it gets vended i get 13.5m and 1.5m disapears as tax).
Direct trade? The same, i trade for 10m, when the trade is finished i get 9m and 1m disapears as tax.
The same for rodex. The point is to make zeny disapeae on each transaction involving it.

Another option is making silvervines require zenny. For example, add a zeny fee fee for each use of silvervine, for example you could ask for 10k per silvervine when converting them (6 silvervine + 60k for 1 woe pot box, 480 silvervines + 4.8m for a bm box). The point is, make zeny usefull in a way that gets removed and without stepping on the whales that buy directly with KP


+1 to this idea.

But as Twistex said... People are selfish and greedy and will complain too much.
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#82 AlexisBaker

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Posted 23 January 2018 - 12:20 AM

Why don't we make botting and selling zeny illegal?


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Posted 23 January 2018 - 12:31 AM

Why don't we make botting and selling zeny illegal?


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Posted 23 January 2018 - 06:54 PM

NPC with BLUE potions ll be a very effective zeny sink.


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Posted 24 January 2018 - 04:08 AM

Would you be interesting in a Zeny sink where players can give zeny towards boosting server wide exp/drop rates for limited period of time?

 

And there we go another 2 maintenimances and no zeny sink or fix for real problems on this server. There r ur greedy that bigger ? Really u cant work in another thing who didnt spend kp ? because looks like u spend all the week on the -_-ing costume boxes and dont give a -_- about real problems like zeny sink or bots. CAN U WORK ON THIS GAME PLEASE INSTED ON WORK ON UR WALLET ?


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#86 SmolSmith

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Posted 24 January 2018 - 10:41 AM

NPC with BLUE potions ll be a very effective zeny sink.

 

WP wont do this. It will heavily affect their woe box income.


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Posted 24 January 2018 - 11:12 AM

For starters, the staff are re-implementing Raffler.
Please refer to the following official postings for more info.
 

We are working on more zeny consumption systems as well and in game spammers may be taking a forced break real soon.

 
 

We'll turn the raffler back on this maintenance. I've updated the original post.



As posted in the weekly Maintenance patch notes:
https://forums.warpp...e/#entry2776209


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Posted 27 January 2018 - 01:40 AM

It seems is working nobody is posting on the forum anymore. Keep the good work.

Cheers.
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Posted 27 January 2018 - 04:18 AM

It seems is working nobody is posting on the forum anymore. Keep the good work.

Cheers.

 

They aren't posting because they gave up. The only the thing raffler did was lower the price of items that are consolation prizes.


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#90 sanoobie

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 09:57 AM

Wp needs to make money.

Stop QQ for free -_-.

Farm elu ori raffler sell double for zenny.

Kill juperos 1 by 1 or party for leveling.

Win Ragnarok Odin Server.

Otherwise, [Poring].


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Mod Edit: Please do not suggest playing on illegal servers.

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Posted 27 January 2018 - 10:47 AM

They aren't posting because they gave up. The only the thing raffler did was lower the price of items that are consolation prizes.

 

THIS, the only reason people aren't posting is because they're camping the raffler :heh: . If you see the prices of everything else, they're still the same. Anything not related to minerals or alche mats is still super inflated and shows no signs of going down in price in the near future.


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Posted 28 January 2018 - 03:48 AM

It's just so funny to see that the management team are putting a lot of efforts to create a zeny sink event while dodging the ROOT of the problem which are the bots and RMT. Make a solution to eliminate the RMT sellers in town and punish all the RMT buyers.
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#93 Wolfen

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Posted 28 January 2018 - 06:54 AM

It's just so funny to see that the management team are putting a lot of efforts to create a zeny sink event while dodging the ROOT of the problem which are the bots and RMT. Make a solution to eliminate the RMT sellers in town and punish all the RMT buyers.


Honestly, it seems they are adressing the root, its justat they dont say it. I feel its the case as the rodex spam, but i havent seen that many spammers as of late
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#94 rhexis

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Posted 28 January 2018 - 07:25 AM

Raffler is doing nothing more than lower then price of consolation items. No other item price is dropping. 


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#95 Twistex

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Posted 28 January 2018 - 10:31 AM

It's just so funny to see that the management team are putting a lot of efforts to create a zeny sink event while dodging the ROOT of the problem which are the bots and RMT. Make a solution to eliminate the RMT sellers in town and punish all the RMT buyers.


How can you eliminate RMT when WP offers a service very similar to it

Warpportal method :
$ -> WPE -> KP -> SV -> Zeny

Illegal method :
$ -> Zeny

The only difference is WP has a few steps in between. It still produces the same effect

The problem was, is and will be the bots. Without bots there is no Z to buy
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Posted 09 February 2018 - 07:59 PM

Usually, elu/ori are a great way to measure a server's economy.

 

I just decided to play a little bit of RO once again, and guess what - rough elunium is now 80k zeny/ea. That's a wild change after what I have been exposed to last summer, which was approx 7-7.5k. 11.5X INFLATION OVER 6 MONTHS LMAO.

 

And the problem is not the bots - they will always be there. The problem is the bot amount. If you limit amount of connections per ip to 2-3, it will help reducing zeny emission (no more 20-account bot farms) and will stimulate players to go and get expensive items themselves.

 

Second, zeny sinks. I don't know anything about those (never had to use them, I'm a middle-class player lol) but it seems like it's not the worst idea ever. Just need to make sure they will not imbalance the game by generating godlike items and what not.


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#97 Wolfen

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Posted 09 February 2018 - 08:15 PM

Usually, elu/ori are a great way to measure a server's economy.

I just decided to play a little bit of RO once again, and guess what - rough elunium is now 80k zeny/ea. That's a wild change after what I have been exposed to last summer, which was approx 7-7.5k. 11.5X INFLATION OVER 6 MONTHS LMAO.

And the problem is not the bots - they will always be there. The problem is the bot amount. If you limit amount of connections per ip to 2-3, it will help reducing zeny emission (no more 20-account bot farms) and will stimulate players to go and get expensive items themselves.

Second, zeny sinks. I don't know anything about those (never had to use them, I'm a middle-class player lol) but it seems like it's not the worst idea ever. Just need to make sure they will not imbalance the game by generating godlike items and what not.


And you missed 3 weeks ago the 400k rough prices. You can thank the rafler for making them afordables
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