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[Feuer]

So I've been tanking a lot of Dungeons on my Frost Mage lately. Which is fine, it can handle it with the proper set up, and it performs quite nicely, with one exception. I can't control the bosses aggro. If even 1 stun or RNG target swap mechanic fires off, I can't help my group. 

 

Consider making a >>>PvM<<< Glaciating Chill that applies a 5-7 second Taunt? This would be great, and personally, I think since Frost is so lacking in DPS as a whole, giving them a possible role in Tanking Dungeons would be a unique way to refresh them.

 

Personally, I'll continue tanking with or without it, but I'd really like to see this added as a utility for my toolkit, and to spice things up a bit. Thanks.

 

Edit:

Here's a lovely example of my tank set up at the moment. It'd be a lot nicer if I could utilize my stuns without fearing the boss targeting the DPS, hence the request for a taunt. 

Edited by Feuer, 04 February 2018 - 04:19 AM.

[Feuer]

Edit: Added video proof of Mage's Tank capability. 

[Feuer]

Frost MAge, Tanking Talratha as further evidence, We need a Frost PvM Taunt! Plis. 

[Lijona]

Impressive.

But aren't you the guy who is totally into balancing of the classes and the game?

And sorry, this is not what a mage is supposed to do.

A mage can do huge damage... a mage is a char with a nice skill range and aoe range. And a mage should then have... like all range chars who do this damage and have a huge skill range... a not so great defense.

THAT would be balanced.

I even think, that the defense of a Mage... if it is like this... has to be nerfed to balance the game.

And she never ever should get a taunt.

 

 

 

[Elovin]

Damn Feuer i remember u crying on here about op mages and nerfing them and so on...they r too tanky..mana shield blabla...now u got urself a mage and want to get it a freaking taunt so it cant tank ...dafuq?!

 

[Feuer]

I'm a bit perplexed here. 

 

If Mages aren't supposed to be tanks, then how am I tanking every boss in the game, without any support? With practically no passives, under-refined gear, and runes that are statistically weaker than sub-stats. I mean, ... Mages according to everyone aren't 'OP' so, either they're just meant to tank, or .... they're OP. 

The proof is above you. Either they're OP, or they're normal and suited to be good tanks. If they're not OP, then just give Frost Tree a Unique PvM Taunt, and let them do their thing. I mean, it's not like I'm going to stop tanking with it, and when I get fully passived, refined, and runed, I'm not even going to need any DPS to be there with me to kill bosses so, try and stop me. 

 

I'll either tank without a taunt, and if bosses aggro onto the other DPS, they'll die, I'll laugh, and I'll just keep doing my thing. Or, you'll have to nerf mages to stop me.  

 

 

Frost Mages are the new tanks. Get over it. 

[pandasoup23]

i mean this is PvM...doesnt mean much in terms of being OP (imo)

being able to tank like a knight in PvP is a different story, then we can talk about being OP

 

also, we need harder dgs, snooze fest atm

Edited by pandasoup23, 09 February 2018 - 04:38 AM.

[Feuer]

See? Panda*? get's it. PvM is a garbage game, and OP is irrelevant, no one cares about it. It's literally only there for PvP players to farm runes, points, passives etc so they can get better. It's not REAL content. So just cough up the PvM Taunt and I'll be on my way. 

Edited by Feuer, 09 February 2018 - 04:39 AM.

[pandasoup23]

not carlos. but ye, its PvM...if anyone actually says pvm in this game is hard. Welp, you know nothing.

[Feuer]

I REALLY want to see a 10 man Raid for PvM with legit mechanics and punishing when mistakes are made. Preferably with a NICE weekly quest. That to me, would be the best. 

[carlosrose]

....... we aint the same person... LMFAO but yeah what the panda said
PVM is a joke so do whatever there lmfao

Make some actual decent pvm content

[Feuer]

Ye, my bad. I get the two of you mixed up pretty often.... 

[Lijona]

I don't care if it is your char or someone else's char.

This is a mage and if mages are able to do that, they need a nerf. and not an additional taunt skill.

 

Since I am back in game, they nerfed the cleric's heal... because too powerful

They nerfed the AOE skills... to powerfull

Knight's attackpower was nerfed... too powerfull for tank chars.

they made the cooldowns longer... because too powerfull

they lowered the attackspeed of raiders... too powerfull

tbc

All because of class balancing.

And when I remember right, you were not only fine with everything, but a lot of this changes were your suggestions.

 

And now you have a mage with powerfull skills with high damage, a nice range so you can't be attacked from a near distance... and a very high defense. That is more than most other chars have... which is questionable at all.

But that is not enough... now you also want a taunt. Something missing? What about some heals, to help the party? Or stealth for mages?

 

In my eyes this videos are the proof, that this mages need a balancing. Mages are not supposed to tank, And since this video shows that mages can do that, they need to do something. Not to stop you... as I said, I don't care much about you, if it is your char or not... but to balance classes and the game.

 

and I totally don't say anything to a playstyle like this:

they'll die, I'll laugh, and I'll just keep doing my thing

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Feuer]

Hm, really? Kinda seems like you're arguing for the sake of arguing really. 

 

I mean, I said they were OP, everyone said I was nuts.

I make a mage, half way geared, tank on it, NOW it's OP.

Get your story straight. 

 

-I would also like to point out, just so everyone notices, I'm not tanking due to high defense....- 

Edited by Feuer, 09 February 2018 - 07:00 AM.

[carlosrose]

Only reason you are tanking is mobs dmg is a joke and the mana stacks from the ice tree (with coldsnap only good thing there) that gives u high enough mp recov to spam shield, take that passive out and struggle to keep up ur mana in dgs due to the lack of any mp consumption valor gear on shop.

[Feuer]

Neh, I mean, it helps some sure, but you can do it with wind stacks alone and using frost tree still.

 

It's the combined effects of Barrier, Wind Stacks for Dodge [I'm sitting on 4k dodge atm], Accu Down, Aspd Down x2 [PvM Permafrost is dope], and in some cases the PvM Mute. 

Technically, you could even do it without barriers, if you were willing to kite. But kite tanking can produce location bugs where the boss starts teleporting around, and that's a bloody nightmare.

 

Also, carrying puri pots = is a big help. 

[carlosrose]

Yeah forgot about dodge passives, but again ITS PVM lmfao. in PVP that build is not viable... you will be rkted in a sec and if u go glori u might run but ur dmg going to be a joke

[Feuer]

Yeah no, this is a dedicated PvM Tank set up, purely for Dungeons. I've actually modified it since, but it's still not a PvP build. Not enough mutes, and not enough skill power investments. 

[carlosrose]

what makes my point xD anything in PVM is OP and broken (if played by someone with half a brain) cuz of how easy it is.......

[Feuer]

eeeeeh? I mean, there's some classes who are just 100% terrible in DG at certain things. Like Gun-Anythings are just bad period. They need escorts through dense packs of mobs until nearly fully built, they sure as hell aint tanking anytime soon. And tbh their damage isn't anything special either so meh.

 

But in general, PvM builds are easy to whip up, but optimizing them takes some time and a bit of skill. 

 

PvP ... ugh. There's so many issues with that, and it's a completely different entity. If I had my way, each character would have 2 build loadouts. Main Spec / Offspec. That'd be the best start, so you oculd tune for pvp or dungeon and not need to hyper invest in one. 

 

ionno, either way, a PvM Taunt is not going to break anything in DG's that's not already broken, and we actually need something that can effectively tank magic bosses, so why not Frost? It's not like it's good for anything else anyway. 

[carlosrose]

I have no problem to use my BA or Gun bourg in dgs when i do daileis with them  like any at all 

 

 

But anyway yeah w.e is PVM lmfao.

[Cortiz]

Only reason you are tanking is mobs dmg is a joke and the mana stacks from the ice tree (with coldsnap only good thing there) that gives u high enough mp recov to spam shield, take that passive out and struggle to keep up ur mana in dgs due to the lack of any mp consumption valor gear on shop.

 

And they said spamming shield was not possible, thanks for verifying I guess.

 

 

I usualy try to stay away from balance topics but I will say I see absolutely no reason to give any class taunt ability's (even if its just for PvM) other then the soldier class.

as for mages, they definitely can use a nerf on the barrier, perhaps increase the cooldown a little and some nerf on the skill damage wouldnt be so bad either.

[Feuer]

Knights aren't meant to tank magic damage [because PvP says no]. That's a pretty clear indicator we need a Magic Tank, and I see no reason why Frost Mages can't fill that role. It'd either be Frost Mages or Dual Raiders. But I'd prefer the Frost Mage. 

[charzlight]

What are the items of this build?

[Feuer]

Watch the video, it's at the end ...