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#26 DarkOrinus

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 10:10 PM

yeah i think there was a mixup, idk if the yama person was saying you bomb or cc bee. as bee has 0% elemental damage rate against it so bomb is bleh

 

the thing with why i wouldnt see much of this being popular is most monsters are against its favor >.> specially when we're talking about restraints to undead/demon or something err. not unless we get moar undead/demon things at the very least

 

plus cc has been powerful and cost efficient atm, i dont see why this fancy new setup would be nice as long as we have holy elemental damage rates for as high as 150-200% innate to undead/demon

 

edit: holy elemental damage rates


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 10:13 PM

I dont know if this Aby dress is as good as Gloom but from my understanding, average players dont need to buy Gloom anymore. They can simply get Aby dress and they still kill MvPs fast. Most MvPs are now in instances which means either you one shot MvPs or over kill MvPs, the difference is not much.

 

OCP items are not meant to replace MvPs. They only slightly substitute. For example, just like Samurai, It was 25b or more but now its 10b or less (if you are luck to find a noob who buys it over 10b) because its easy to get 100% Def bypass.

 

Gloom card is no different. I dont think I wanna pay 40b for it. Not even 20b. Just my opinion ^_^


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#28 YongkySH

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 10:18 PM

I dont know if this Aby dress is as good as Gloom but from my understanding, average players dont need to buy Gloom anymore. They can simply get Aby dress and they still kill MvPs fast. Most MvPs are now in instances which means either you one shot MvPs or over kill MvPs, the difference is not much.

OCP items are not meant to replace MvPs. They only slightly substitute. For example, just like Samurai, It was 25b or more but now its 10b or less (if you are luck to find a noob who buys it over 10b) because its easy to get 100% Def bypass.

Gloom card is no different. I dont think I wanna pay 40b for it. Not even 20b. Just my opinion ^_^


Have you run any instance with it Chak? Maybe share some OGH and stephan vids :rice:
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Posted 15 March 2018 - 10:19 PM

Have you run any instance with it Chak? Maybe share some OGH and stephan vids :rice:

 

Yeah I used inspirationed. I cannon spear'ed. I died to Inspiration reflect lol


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 10:24 PM

I dont know if this Aby dress is as good as Gloom but from my understanding, average players dont need to buy Gloom anymore. They can simply get Aby dress and they still kill MvPs fast. Most MvPs are now in instances which means either you one shot MvPs or over kill MvPs, the difference is not much.

 

OCP items are not meant to replace MvPs. They only slightly substitute. For example, just like Samurai, It was 25b or more but now its 10b or less (if you are luck to find a noob who buys it over 10b) because its easy to get 100% Def bypass.

 

Gloom card is no different. I dont think I wanna pay 40b for it. Not even 20b. Just my opinion ^_^

 

if we're on that subject, i agree. although quite the different view on your last point. this particular gear for me has too many benefits, it does not bode well with my usual thought of going all out and innovative steps are always taken for future reference (such is room for improvements). somewhere out there must be something else that will further boost these degraded mvp cards. although that's my take on that


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 10:34 PM

when you use acid bomb, both atk and matk play role on damage calculation

 

i assume, your acid bomb 50k, this is from atk and matk x target's vit, resulting 50k damage

if you use the dress, the damage now is 100k, means both part affected by the dress , if only one part affected by the dress, the damage increase is not significant, pretty similar with pseudo neutral skill with converter.

like 10k damage however since the skill is pseudo neutral and you use converter to monster that weak to that elemental attack by 100%, by default it should be 20k now, but turned out the damage is only 14k. 

 

cart cannon is increased by int, dear yamu

not matk. there is no matk in CC formula, just INT

 

Nvm I think I get what you are trying to say. That there has to be an equal increase in both ATK and MATK to generate the overall 80% increase cause if its only 80% in %ATK, then overall increase would only be 40%. Since ATK and MATK have equal weight in the formula.

 

And no, I'm just using CC as example for showing %ATK increase which is 80%. I'm not factoring MATK in it since its not in the calculation at all.

 

My mistake I guess as I thought ATK + MATK would result in 2x the % and not just 1x. (Forgot about the weightage factor!).

 

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 11:00 PM

oh but then again

 

https://forums.warpp...ement-race-etc/

 

these hoes, if divine pride is right about their vit that is


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 11:06 PM

oh but then again

 

https://forums.warpp...ement-race-etc/

 

these hoes, if divine pride is right about their vit that is

 

Just CC spam.


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 11:14 PM

Just CC spam.

 

https://www.divine-p...e/monster/3225/

 

look at that damned vit though


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 11:16 PM

how much your Acid Bomb damage to Charleston ? multiply it by 2 , cause Charleston III vit is only 200


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 11:31 PM

how much your Acid Bomb damage to Charleston ? multiply it by 2 , cause Charleston III vit is only 200

 

if this is for me idk :x i ungeared my gen. really just theorycrafting for the fun of it


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Posted 15 March 2018 - 11:40 PM

RIP Gloom Sellers
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Posted 16 March 2018 - 12:46 AM

how much your Acid Bomb damage to Charleston ? multiply it by 2 , cause Charleston III vit is only 200


After certain Vit. AB dmg increases slightly, almost insignificant. :)
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Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:00 AM

but acid bomb isn't magic damage isn't it?


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:52 AM

but acid bomb isn't magic damage isn't it?

 

im pretty sure it isnt registered as magic upon hit. default would be it is physical (some sort of default or something) but it is affected by matk. mdamage in this instance isnt new either. celine set does the same to acid bomb in said manner


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 05:55 AM

I think AD is only affected by the physical damage mod, magical damage mod ain't MATK%+ so it wouldn't affect AD damage.


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 06:00 AM

After certain Vit. AB dmg increases slightly, almost insignificant. :)

 

so whats the conclusion ?


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 06:49 AM

I think AD is only affected by the physical damage mod, magical damage mod ain't MATK%+ so it wouldn't affect AD damage.

 

TTMJ's post already proofs that AB dmg is affected bt magical damage mod too.

 

so whats the conclusion ?

 

AB damage increasing by target's Vit is something likes this.

 

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 11:48 AM

It effects both your ATK and MATK, so yeah it doubles up for Acid Bomb.


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Posted 17 March 2018 - 02:47 AM

Cotton vs +13Flatt[Dex5] vs +9AD

 

 

 

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#46 PoySanity

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Posted 17 March 2018 - 03:01 AM

Cotton vs +13Flatt[Dex5] vs +9AD



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Try using demon mask bud.
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Posted 17 March 2018 - 03:08 AM

Try using demon mask bud.

 

D.mask good for CC not AB

 

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Posted 17 March 2018 - 03:32 AM

Very good. thanks for testing 

 

 


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Posted 17 March 2018 - 03:34 AM

Cotton vs +13Flatt[Dex5] vs +9AD

 

 

 

3jpMrtG.jpg

 

p2n4C6a.jpg

 

MyTqZvH.jpg

 

oh mighty pp322-sama! would you think this would be a nice switching thing for bio5? i dont have a gen but i'm considering gearing one again for said purpose. you seem to be fond of bio5 if i recall, thus the question


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Posted 17 March 2018 - 03:36 AM

now clearly we see the difference between Cotton Shirt and +13 Flattery Robe

 

then Abyss Dress outclasses them all 


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