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#1 mikkotinamide

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 01:14 AM

Can we ban troll vendors from ragial or even in-game? There have been vendors recently who put up vends even when they're on zeny cap. I'm referring specifically to people who are selling in-game items* worth less than 1b while being zeny capped. There's just no point in doing that. It messes up the ragial average more than it should be and it trolls people who tag those items. 

To be clear, I'm not referring to those who vend expensive items (i.e. worth more than 1b, the vending limit) purely for advertisement - I don't see any harm in that practice. I'm referring to vendors putting up items for sale that are less than 1b. It's more troll-like if any. Can we have ragial or in-game mods/gms to penalize these characters?

It might be too much to ask from people from ragial to ban these and since this is done in-game, pretty sure troll-like activity is within GMs jurisdiction. 

 

tl;dr

<1b items but on zeny cap = troll = bannable. 

*items such as BMX3, safe certs, etc.


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 02:07 AM

i saw someone vend mob scarf for 1b and sold for less than 10 mins of notice while someone sell at 777,777,777 and gone afterwards :)


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 02:22 AM

as mentioned twice in the post, I'm not referring to those vendors with items worth more than 1b. Besides, some of the good ones mention their actual asking price in the title anyway.


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 03:54 AM

like the one who sell energy fragments at 2.5m but max zeny and you cant buy one where the right price is at 4m above?


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 04:01 AM

If you aint willing to sell anything trough vending you shouldn't be able to open vending. Instead of using vending as advertisement you should use it to sell stuff, i understand that the lack of a place to sell your expensive stuff and the lack of potential buyers is what leads to this, but that's blatant bug abuse imo.


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 04:07 AM

like the one who sell energy fragments at 2.5m but max zeny and you cant buy one where the right price is at 4m above?

 

Yes. Those are very annoying. I can't see how that can be justified. Meanwhile, people selling for the sake of advertising their items worth over 1b is a different topic for another day.
 

If you aint willing to sell anything trough vending you shouldn't be able to open vending. Instead of using vending as advertisement you should use it to sell stuff, i understand that the lack of a place to sell your expensive stuff and the lack of potential buyers is what leads to this, but that's blatant bug abuse imo.

 

Personally I don't mind especially if the item is way above 1b or they explicitly mentioned it in their title. 


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 04:09 AM

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 04:42 AM

Im fed up with these shops as well..  I call for people like [Poringto be banned as well.. he's doing this since like god knows when and its really getting annoying.

 

A while back people were getting banned because they were selling strawberries from the pet shop npc as real strawberries for same price. I dont see this be as annoying as shops with lowest price but cant buy anything from them.. 

 

i mean most of the time these days you travel several cities to fake (word of 2017-2018) shops..   so yeah.. vend for real or don't vend at all.

 

Ban Hammer!


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 04:58 AM

Greetings,

 

Currently the listed rules in regards market:
 

Economic Activity

  • Use of Bots to Vend is prohibited
  • Use of Bots to Buy is prohibited
  • Scamming players with NPC bought goods is prohibited
  • Scamming players with items with similar sprites is prohibited
  • Buy/Selling of WPE is done so at your own risk. But if you get scammed let us know so that we can suspend the scammer (nothing will be returned)
  • Do not engage in duplication of items or zeny
  • Do not buy from gold selling websites
  • Do not engage in RMT activities with players OR websites
  • Exploiting bugs or mechanics to disconnect other users is prohibited

There is no mention of vending at Zeny cap as an offence, therefore, I have went ahead and forwarded the concern to the GM staff. If there is an update it will be posted here.

 

The issue with vending at Zeny cap has been mentioned in this topic, in summery, the client should block vend if the user is at or near the cap but this is after checking the value of items inserted. Also the shop should automatically close a soon as the cap is met. It is something kRO should look into.

 

 


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#10 ChakriGuard

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 06:23 AM

Gonna have to ask kRO again hahaha
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Posted 18 March 2018 - 06:47 AM

Thank you cinnamon. Looking at the list, I see no reason not to include disciplining those troll vendors (as defined in this post). You included pretty minor rules* that are only meant to protect players from their own mistakes. It is just appropriate to include rules against those who are deliberately being nuisances in-game.

 

*Scamming players with NPC bought goods is prohibited

*Scamming players with items with similar sprites is prohibited

 

Looking forward to updates regarding this.


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:00 AM

Yeah , I agree  sometimes I want to buy BMX3 at the lowest price  

 

but that seller have maximum Zeny cap  so I can't buy it  , I'm pretty upset .....  it's forced me to buy from another shop that more expensive.....


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 11:29 AM

Yes, let's all demand people be banned for inconveniencing us.

 

That's going to work out well for everyone in a game where the actual population is under 500.


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 11:47 AM

Just remove zeny cap and buy everything from their vends then they won't do that again.


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 02:55 PM

It's annoying when people do it on purpose.

But for example, if you vend 800 cursed frags at 7m each, you reach max zeny pretty quick, and still have a bunch of fragments left in shop.


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 03:17 PM

It's annoying when people do it on purpose.

But for example, if you vend 800 cursed frags at 7m each, you reach max zeny pretty quick, and still have a bunch of fragments left in shop.

 

At the very least, they should stick to the concept of 1z each, at least then it is blatantly obvious for everyone. But yeah, it will be hard to police it because people do bump into zeny cap very easily.


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 03:18 PM

yes to removing zenny cap and make it 99,999,999,990., i think i can edit this in cheatCC engine
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Posted 18 March 2018 - 03:19 PM

At the very least, they should stick to the concept of 1z each, at least then it is blatantly obvious for everyone. But yeah, it will be hard to police it because people do bump into zeny cap very easily.

 

yeah we lost ragial cheap section for those guys, but they didnt use it  :heh:


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 03:21 PM

Its always the same names ... :v


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 03:55 PM

i have a semi working solution,

add to a NPC a 1b item (like a gold something)

make it sellable back to the NPC for 1b

then if play need 4b to buy something, easy save up 4 (gold something)

user need zeny sell 1-2 (gold something)

 

easy solution for zeny cap


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 04:00 PM

i have a semi working solution,

add to a NPC a 1b item (like a gold something)

make it sellable back to the NPC for 1b

then if play need 4b to buy something, easy save up 4 (gold something)

user need zeny sell 1-2 (gold something)

easy solution for zeny cap


So like zeny token? Wont it get duped?
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#22 mikkotinamide

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 04:23 PM

Illegal servers have been using that system for ages. lol. 


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 04:26 PM

So like zeny token? Wont it get duped?

 

Why would people dupe an item that can be traded for 1b?


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Posted 18 March 2018 - 05:24 PM

Zeny cap wasn't meant to be reached on multiple characters, its only a problem now because zeny amounts got out of hand, since no one have any good reason to actually get rid of zeny (best value you can get is investments) zeny gathers and wanders around forever.

 

 

i have a semi working solution,


add to a NPC a 1b item (like a gold something)

make it sellable back to the NPC for 1b

then if play need 4b to buy something, easy save up 4 (gold something)

user need zeny sell 1-2 (gold something)

 

easy solution for zeny cap

 

This is more of a QoL change than a solution to the problem.

 

#ZENYCAPISNOTTHEPROBLEM


Edited by vividort, 18 March 2018 - 05:32 PM.

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Posted 18 March 2018 - 05:42 PM

Just disable vending skill when zeny limit is reach or auto close the shop. In this case those vendor can't advertise their shops and ruin the market.
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