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#1 AmuWadai

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:25 PM

So, with this new ocp gear will  come to our server, which one you prefer for our Beloved Genetic?

Did anyone test yet on sakray? how is the damage comparison, Cheer :D


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#2 mikkotinamide

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 10:19 PM

For genes, it will most probably boil down to which character you would share it and how much the two sets cost.


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 12:43 AM

So, with this new ocp gear will  come to our server, which one you prefer for our Beloved Genetic?

Did anyone test yet on sakray? how is the damage comparison, Cheer :D

Seraphim still missing in sakray, anyway Seraphim easily beat tengu set for Genetic plus you can wear toy syringe with it


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 05:37 AM

I did NCT last night with lvl 150 gene and most of the time my Gene healed from 20% life to full with only one CC.

 

Gues its cause of Tengu. So for Main CC I'd say Tengu is a must.


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 06:27 AM

I did NCT last night with lvl 150 gene and most of the time my Gene healed from 20% life to full with only one CC.

Gues its cause of Tengu. So for Main CC I'd say Tengu is a must.


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 03:19 PM

Seraphim still missing in sakray, anyway Seraphim easily beat tengu set for Genetic plus you can wear toy syringe with it

 

How do you know? can you show your calculations here?


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 03:38 PM

Well, the one that comes with the tastiest price wins, if somehow seraphim manages to get cheaper than tengu then seraphim wins, otherwise tengu wins, its that simple, at least for me XD.

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Posted 06 April 2018 - 04:28 PM

Tengu should win on most cases as a SET

 

10% size damage

10% ranged damage

 

but

 

Seraphim coronet should win as a standalone item allowing the gene to use toy syringe

 

because seraphim feather is really meh, all the gene wants is the coronet

 

+250 atk & +2 str and you can use w/e low headgear you want even tengu scroll lol... 

 

quote me on this, i dont think we are getting the set on the OCP only the feather is on sakray 


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 04:54 PM

Tengu should win on most cases as a SET

 

10% size damage

10% ranged damage

 

but

 

Seraphim coronet should win as a standalone item allowing the gene to use toy syringe

 

because seraphim feather is really meh, all the gene wants is the coronet

 

+250 atk & +2 str and you can use w/e low headgear you want even tengu scroll lol... 

 

quote me on this, i dont think we are getting the set on the OCP only the feather is on sakray 

 

obviously +250 atk wins by a huge number

 

too bad your game mechanics IQ is low ahahah


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 04:59 PM

obviously +250 atk wins by a huge number

 

too bad your game mechanics IQ is low ahahah

 

By a huge number??? Are you really sure? :>


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#11 Leonchascon

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Posted 06 April 2018 - 05:57 PM

obviously +250 atk wins by a huge number

 

too bad your game mechanics IQ is low ahahah

 

If you call ~+5% total damage on my current setup  a "huge number" (5-15k damage on 100-300k depending on mob & element) on a niche item (that at least on my case would go only to my gen) then sure my game mechanics IQ is low  :heh:  and still tengu pulls ahead under other circunstances  :yawn:  as a i said tengu SET > seraphim SET

Seraphim coronet >> tengu mask 


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 06:01 PM

Tengu should win on most cases as a SET

 

10% size damage

10% ranged damage

 

but

 

Seraphim coronet should win as a standalone item allowing the gene to use toy syringe

 

because seraphim feather is really meh, all the gene wants is the coronet

 

+250 atk & +2 str and you can use w/e low headgear you want even tengu scroll lol... 

 

quote me on this, i dont think we are getting the set on the OCP only the feather is on sakray 

According to Campitor, Seraphim Coronet is already avaiable to test on Sakray (Let me know about Tengu x Seraphim dmg if u test it on Sakray  :rice: )


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 06:59 PM

If you call ~+5% total damage on my current setup  a "huge number" (5-15k damage on 100-300k depending on mob & element) on a niche item (that at least on my case would go only to my gen) then sure my game mechanics IQ is low  :heh:  and still tengu pulls ahead under other circunstances  :yawn:  as a i said tengu SET > seraphim SET

Seraphim coronet >> tengu mask 

 

20~30% overall dmg

 

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#14 mikkotinamide

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Posted 06 April 2018 - 07:26 PM

^ lol


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 08:40 PM

Both are available to test on sakray, just see the numbers float and post the screenshot on your full setup to decide

 

because the results could be different depending on the setup, for example massive eatk boost from seraphim coronet favors setup with huge percentage modifier bonus

 

and we recently got armor that enable 96% (1.4x1.4) damage boost against specific monster attributes

 

we also have account bound weapons that boost 196% [+14 & slaughter2] and 175% [+14 & slaughter1] damage on specific monster attributes


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 08:44 PM

20~30% overall dmg

 

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Not the most optimal setup weapon wise but overall a pretty standard setup for genetic  i used what i had in hand at sakray *shrug* 

 

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if you feel the need  to insult others because you lack arguments i have some bad news for you :^) or you may be a liberal kek 

 

Tengu 175998,83 average damage to fire eggs

Seraph 186624,66 average damage to fire eggs

 

difference 6,03% 

Again the setup is not optimal was the  quickest i could make on sakray but it gives a nice reference i guess

 

If Camp would update char data from chaos to sakray i could do better test, or you can do them yourself, not testing abbys dress because i dont have one and its pretty much the same as owning MVP cards (the price is a lot less tho) the sample is also small so maybe good/bad rng on tengu/seraph rolls 


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 08:46 PM

And if the seraph mid would be a class S drop from the next ocp, it doesn't make it any better than a tengu then.


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 09:02 PM

Btw, you don't need the bottom piece for the useful bonus, just the mid, it leaves the bottom slot free for w/e. If you achieve instant cast via stats that the VCT increase won't matter because it won't apply.


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#19 Leonchascon

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Posted 06 April 2018 - 09:04 PM

Btw, you don't need the bottom piece for the useful bonus, just the mid, it leaves the bottom slot free for w/e. If you achieve instant cast via stats that the VCT increase won't matter because it won't apply.

 

I know i just didnt wanted to leave it empty or use the tengu scroll, i would never buy the feather lol 


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 09:46 PM

I know i just didnt wanted to leave it empty or use the tengu scroll, i would never buy the feather lol 

 

your ss are biased, you took the max dmg of tengu set, and took the min dmg for seraph

 

should have used maximize power there (or use crimson mace for less variance)

 

also you put survivor orb with the coronet there (+2% atk), not that feather.

 

anyway my guess is right ~20% dmg overall increase.

 

~30% increase if you dont stack enough atk gears and stuffs (i.e. for lvling purpose)


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 10:00 PM

your ss are biased, you took the max dmg of tengu set, and took the min dmg for seraph

 

should have used maximize power there (or use crimson mace for less variance)

 

also you put survivor orb with the coronet there (+2% atk), not that feather.

 

anyway my guess is right ~20% dmg overall increase.

 

~30% increase if you dont stack enough atk gears and stuffs (i.e. for lvling purpose)

 

I took the average damage over 6 hits for each but w/e you said again you are free to run your own test. Silvianna's test showed a 7.9% damage difference using abyss dress over a single hit each so you are far from right but w/e floats your boat 


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 10:42 PM

anyway my guess is right ~20% dmg overall increase.

After all those tough talk and random accusation of biases, you were just guessing? Where are your own test and calculations?


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 12:10 AM

Its wishful thinking of course.

 

Anyway tested CC, its roughly 20% extra damage from your existing damage. It requires stats for the effect to be activated.

 

Is it OP? Its definitely on par with Tengu Set for roughly the same damage as well as its variable cast and healing buff <- (But genes that uses insta from stats doesn't care about that).

 

Its far cry from Abyss which increases 40-92% and is suitable for ALL magic and physical players

 

Does it demand 3.5-6b like what Abyss did? I wouldn't think so but only time would tell.... 

 

 

Probably with weaker e atk and higher int , you will see the big difference

 

my test , i stacked so many eatk,  +1344 on character window

 

 

I know. Just look at the price of enrich boxes and everything else. Anyway still waiting for it, I've ignored tengu since it came out and been waiting for this to take my mid slots since forever~

 

 

After all those tough talk and random accusation of biases, you were just guessing? Where are your own test and calculations?

 

i dont need to log in and do tests you know

 

just some good ol fashion guestimate ahaha


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 05:57 AM

which was very wrong. lol

 

too bad your game mechanics is low


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 06:27 AM

anyone member the simple times where elven ears were bis?  :p_angel:


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