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#1 NekoCaptainNoob

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 08:28 AM

Thanks god  ... Sakray server is back to online and we can test OCP items now  

 

I saw previous topic already tested it  but  the SFB have only one T.KK 

 

so I'll make my topic with more test detail

 

I hope my topic will be useful  ,  which weapon better  at overall for Crimson Rock ?

 

 

Weapon detail 

 

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I'll test on Orc Zombies because I can get full benefit from +9 Abyss Dress too....

 

 

Buff : Only Recognized spell  for maximum dmg output 

 

No Mystical Amplification

 

 

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Somehow  Dmg is not too much difference 

 

 

try  Mystical Amplification 

 

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Seems like  both weapons not have too much dmg difference  (about  20-30k ??) 

 

but  overall  performance  ???   I think  Valk Knife Win .....


Lv. Req.  

 

SFB 170  vs  Valk Knife 70

 

for Valk Knife   Even you have alt low lv. WL  leveling with CR you can share it   (If you're planning to play multiple WLs for instance farming)

 

 

Rarity 

 

SFB  dropped by  Stefan and Immortal Wind Ghost  at 0.01 rate same as card 

 

vs

 

Valk Knife  from  OCP V 

 

but  even the box is gone  , it's still easier to find in market  (+10 is about 900m - 1b Ragial Avg.)

 

 

Equip slot 

 

SFB is two handed   vs  Valk Knife  one handed

 

so with Valk Knife  you can wear a shield for dmg reduction from mobs and better survivability

 

 

 

 

Price to make 

 

IDK about SFB price especially after someone find out about this meta

SFB price maybe cheaper than JDR and Lindy Hopp  but still too high because of same rarity  as a card

 

but for T.KK cards    Valk Knife need 4  cards to compound 

T.KK price is about 4.5b each = 18b total  and the  +10 Valk Knife is 900-1b   so maybe about  20b for this knife....

 

I can't judge the score on this point ,  maybe draw ?     SFB need only 2 cards  but hard to get this staff   

 

 

 

Class Req. 

 

SFB only for WL  vs Valk Knife  can be used by many classes   

 

well ,  this is the main point that I always think  not only WL can get benefit from this knife 

 

SC can copy CR  too.....   if you're planning to play SC as an alt , you can share this knife and copy CR then good to go .....  

 

but SC will have some restrictions  

 

- Cannot amped

 

- Cannot trigger Soul Drain after kill

 

- Cannot stored with Spell book  (WL can store  2-4x CRs for emergency use  depend on Freezing spell skill) 

 

- 2x SP consumption  (200 SP each cast)

 

- Cannot reduce skill cooldown 

(WL have Bio5 hat that reduce CR cooldown  also if WL have this hat with Lv.5 M.E + Temp Dex  WL is possible to insta-cast with CR) 


BTW it's really few WLs who have Bio5 hat with Lv.5 M.E  , spend billions Zeny and luck to get it = ="
 

 

 

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OVERALL  RESULT

 

I judged Valk Knife win definitely 

 

Spoiler


Edited by NekoCaptainNoob, 07 April 2018 - 08:47 AM.

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 08:40 AM

RIP SFB.

I'll cry so hard if I ever get a sfb from Stefan


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 08:46 AM

RIP SFB.

I'll cry so hard if I ever get a sfb from Stefan

 

Yep I think so ....... :< 

 

get Lindy or JDR  must be better than get SFB  TwT


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 09:43 AM

That time when OCP RIPs the most OP staff in game.


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 10:28 AM

I like SFB better...

 

Only need 2x KK cards instead of 4 (which would be same price as buying SFB?)


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 11:52 AM

Mystical Amplification favors SFB more, this is because it applies a multiplier to the weapon attack. Valk Knife only has 50, SFB has 320.

 

Either is fine, but having a shield can be very nice for the small dip when using mystical amplification. Ultimately, SFB is for fun factor, much like JDR. Lindy Hopp on the other hand is actually very useful.


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 11:59 AM

And in your test you could get a little more dmg by making knife +14.

Also no shield on, Mad bunny or something for the extra matk and matk% would help as well, also allows you to have more reducs on at the same time, something you can't get with SFB.


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 12:16 PM

Mystical Amplification favors SFB more, this is because it applies a multiplier to the weapon attack. Valk Knife only has 50, SFB has 320.

 

Either is fine, but having a shield can be very nice for the small dip when using mystical amplification. Ultimately, SFB is for fun factor, much like JDR. Lindy Hopp on the other hand is actually very useful.

 

I agreed   
 

SFB deal more dmg when Mystical Amplification  because of it's higher base MATK = more multiplier

 

but  Valk Knife  advantage is having a shield  

 

 

btw if I can afford  Valk Knife 4x T.KK in live server  ,  I'll not playing only WL    I'll make caster type SC  and copy CR for leveling   for fun 

one shot everything except  fire / holy4 / high level shadow 4 mobs   *

 

* Or if I want cheaper choice  maybe  have  4x T. Celia on Valk Knife  +  2x Elvira SKR     then copy Varetyr Spear

even I can't insta-cast like Sorc   but it would be fine  because  T. Celia is only  700m / ea    (4x T.Celia still cheaper than a single T.KK   o_o  ) 


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 12:27 PM

I agreed   
 

SFB deal more dmg when Mystical Amplification  because of it's higher base MATK = more multiplier

 

but  Valk Knife  advantage is having a shield  

 

 

btw if I can afford  Valk Knife 4x T.KK in live server  ,  I'll not playing only WL    I'll make caster type SC  and copy CR for leveling   for fun 

one shot everything except  fire / holy4 / high level shadow 4 mobs   *

 

* Or if I want cheaper choice  maybe  have  4x T. Celia on Valk Knife  +  2x Elvira SKR     then copy Varetyr Spear

even I can't insta-cast like Sorc   but it would be fine  because  T. Celia is only  700m / ea    (4x T.Celia still cheaper than a single T.KK   o_o  ) 

 

Elvira for VS is worthless.


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 12:42 PM

And in your test you could get a little more dmg by making knife +14.

Also no shield on, Mad bunny or something for the extra matk and matk% would help as well, also allows you to have more reducs on at the same time, something you can't get with SFB.

 

 

yeah , so sad  I can't find  Mad Bunny Shield in Sakray server 

 

also  I would do a little more  dmg if   Valk Knife is +14  

(I used +10 to simulated that  +10 Valk Knife is easier to find at below 1b on market in live server)

 

 

Elvira for VS is worthless.

 

OK ....  I aggreed   it's worthless to make VS build 

 

Edited :  Tested myself both SC , Sorc

 

even use by Sorc   damage still not satisfied yet   even it's insta cast and only one sec CD with 2x SKRs (can spam)

 

 

   SC copy SG + VS for combo  = more terrible 

 

 

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Edited by NekoCaptainNoob, 08 April 2018 - 04:48 AM.

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 09:54 PM

And in your test you could get a little more dmg by making knife +14.

Also no shield on, Mad bunny or something for the extra matk and matk% would help as well, also allows you to have more reducs on at the same time, something you can't get with SFB.

 

I was going to ask why did he stop the Valk Knife at +10, if he bothered upgrading the SFB to +14. Of course it wouldn't make that much of a difference, but since you're +14ing one, and since it's on Sakray, the test should be done on equal footing.

 

Also, he forgot to mention the greatest benefit of Valk Knife in your main post: the ability to use a shield. Meaning on can use an Alice Carded MBS (or any other shield) or even a GTB card. Well, anyway, with current True KK Card prices (at least partly because a lot of people noticed this "trick"), it's unviable for most players. I deeply regret selling my True KK Card to Yggdrasil for 2B back in the day. :P But nobody could've imagined the price would go this much up, right?


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Posted 08 April 2018 - 03:19 AM

I was going to ask why did he stop the Valk Knife at +10, if he bothered upgrading the SFB to +14. Of course it wouldn't make that much of a difference, but since you're +14ing one, and since it's on Sakray, the test should be done on equal footing.

 

Also, he forgot to mention the greatest benefit of Valk Knife in your main post: the ability to use a shield. Meaning on can use an Alice Carded MBS (or any other shield) or even a GTB card. Well, anyway, with current True KK Card prices (at least partly because a lot of people noticed this "trick"), it's unviable for most players. I deeply regret selling my True KK Card to Yggdrasil for 2B back in the day. :P But nobody could've imagined the price would go this much up, right?

 

I've mentioned on Equip slot  on my post 

 

of course   you can use  MBS , other shield   with  Alice , racial deduction , GTB    etc.

 

 

 

 

BTW today I tested again but on Orc Warriors   (so I can test FBH card too :D

upgraded Valk Knife  to +14 

 

Recognized Spell : ON 
Mystical Amplification : ON  

 

test for maximum dmg I can get 

 

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Seems like not too much difference   again  .....  (on previous test   I think  +14 SFB  is a little bit stronger than +10 Valk Knife when amped) 

 

 

BTW   like you said   greatest benefit of Valk Knife is  ability to wear a shield     

 

I can't find MBS in Sakray  so I use Gaia shield   that's   when +8   it's  have   +30 MATK if Int is higher than 90   and   +15%  Magic dmg on Earth mobs 

(of course  the targets are Earth) 

 

damage it satisfied .....

 

 

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PS.    :D

 

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Edited by NekoCaptainNoob, 08 April 2018 - 03:21 AM.

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 04:39 AM

you got it all wrong

 

SFB is not for KK

 

SFB is for THC

 


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Posted 08 April 2018 - 11:51 AM

What's THC?


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Posted 08 April 2018 - 12:25 PM

Honestly, you don't need other mods to compare weapons. Mystical Amplification is all you would need to test separately with, as it does weapon damage; everything else effects the same modifiers so yeah... didn't really need to test the FBH but... I guess numbers are nice, still doesn't hold a candle to chain lightning.


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Posted 08 April 2018 - 12:33 PM

THC= Time Holder Card?
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Posted 08 April 2018 - 12:36 PM

Oh,-_- no, Timeholder is niche.


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Posted 08 April 2018 - 08:56 PM

 

 

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used by SC  =  cannot Insta cast 

               poor dmg 

 

  * Sorc Ventus can boost VS dmg and get rid of FCT

           

   no Striking for Atk part  

 

 so I copied SG from WL to combo    but still not satisfied.....    

 

vs Non Frozen 

 

used by Sorc  even the mobs are not frozen    dmg still better than SC use against frozen mobs

 

one shot + insta cast + 1 sec CD  

 

BTW  of course ...... still worthless  compare to T.KK w/ WL's CR   

 

SC can do same CR dmg as  WL's non-amped CR 

 

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Overall :  Waste 4x True Celias , +10 Valk Knife , SKR , Elvira    (Even it's on Sakray)    

 

for Sorc  =  Pororoca + La Cryma   spam DD / Water PW  would be better and cheaper

           

for SC =   playing physical SC and copy  AS / SR / IB  would be better 

       

 

Would you say that True Celias is not a good investment?


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Posted 08 April 2018 - 10:15 PM

Would you say that True Celias is not a good investment?

 

if you want to spam VS as a Sorc  it's OK  

 

(VS  /w 2x SKR = 1 sec cooldown  + Insta cast   you can spam it)  

 

 

Note : price to make  VS build

 

4x True Celia     (1 True Celia  600m avg)   = 2.4b   (still  50% cheaper  than a single True KK) 

+10 Valk Knife     = 1b

2x SKR = 1.3b  
2x Elvira  = 200m  

 

= around  5.8b   

 

 

BTW    La Cryma combo + 2x SKR  spamming DD is cheaper   (also you can share  La Cryma combo to WL  if you play both WL and Sorc) 

also you can slowdown the mobs when mobs getting hit by your DD

 

+7 Pororoca  900m-1b

+15 La Cryma    2b 

 

= 3b 

 

if you can't afford +15 La Cryma 

 

+12  +13  +14  are fine    (+12 is cheaper than 1b) 


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:14 AM

if you want to spam VS as a Sorc  it's OK  

 

(VS  /w 2x SKR = 1 sec cooldown  + Insta cast   you can spam it)  

 

 

Note : price to make  VS build

 

4x True Celia     (1 True Celia  600m avg)   = 2.4b   (still  50% cheaper  than a single True KK) 

+10 Valk Knife     = 1b

2x SKR = 1.3b  
2x Elvira  = 200m  

 

= around  5.8b   

 

 

BTW    La Cryma combo + 2x SKR  spamming DD is cheaper   (also you can share  La Cryma combo to WL  if you play both WL and Sorc) 

also you can slowdown the mobs when mobs getting hit by your DD

 

+7 Pororoca  900m-1b

+15 La Cryma    2b 

 

= 3b 

 

if you can't afford +15 La Cryma 

 

+12  +13  +14  are fine    (+12 is cheaper than 1b) 

I got the La Cryma combo already and 2x SKRs. I was thinking about using VS to MVP. I seen some pics VS doing 1m damage, so I would like to do somewhat around 500k if possible and spam until MVP dies. I thought Elvira is useless for VS?


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 11:50 AM

I got the La Cryma combo already and 2x SKRs. I was thinking about using VS to MVP. I seen some pics VS doing 1m damage, so I would like to do somewhat around 500k if possible and spam until MVP dies. I thought Elvira is useless for VS?

 

It is useless for it.


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Posted 20 April 2018 - 09:59 AM

yeah , so sad  I can't find  Mad Bunny Shield in Sakray server 

 

also  I would do a little more  dmg if   Valk Knife is +14  

(I used +10 to simulated that  +10 Valk Knife is easier to find at below 1b on market in live server)

 

 

 

OK ....  I aggreed   it's worthless to make VS build 

 

Edited :  Tested myself both SC , Sorc

 

even use by Sorc   damage still not satisfied yet   even it's insta cast and only one sec CD with 2x SKRs (can spam)

 

 

   SC copy SG + VS for combo  = more terrible 

 

 

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Why would you test varetyr with happy flapping headgear instead of old wind whisper? It's not avaiable on sakray? 

Because old wind whisper is literally the most important gear for everyone using VS

 


Edited by asperatus, 20 April 2018 - 10:02 AM.

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Posted 21 April 2018 - 10:21 AM

It's have all Bio5 hats in Sakray  but I'm too lazy , it's a  rush test 

 

i just focus simulate that if I have these gears on Sorc ,   I want to try SC caster type   

all of gears can share together  (while Bio5 hat is for their own job)    

 

also Happy Flapping  is needed for NCT    not only  50% dmg against NCT mobs   but  50% dmg reduction from mobs too....

 

so I want to test that  is it possible to one shot NCT with SC with  SG+VS combo ? 

 

 (SC don't have Ventus that's boost VS dmg   so I copied Lv.1 SG from Wiz/WL  to combine with it   so I can  freeze and change the element to water  then finish with VS)

 

 

btw  if it's outside NCT   Sorc with Old Wind hat  would be more powerful...... 


Edited by NekoCaptainNoob, 21 April 2018 - 10:25 AM.

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 04:29 PM

hi i has some question why people don't use Crimson Staff[Mora Wepon] +2 True.KK? I think it like a cheap version of SFB. Most people will go for staff of destruction that has only 1 slot?


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Posted 24 May 2018 - 10:01 PM

only thing missing for me are the enchants of the SFB. 


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