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#1 pints129

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 09:38 AM

I know most people don't care about SinX's viability in WoE, but the class is literally unplayable on this server. 

SinX with renewal mechanics and without third jobs brings absolutely nothing to the table. 

 

In addition to (arguably) being the most expensive class to fully gear + mat for each WoE,

 

CRIT SinX does okay damage if you catch someone by surprise.

But without being able to freely swap gears without losing EDP, it becomes ineffective in most WoE situations.

 

SD SinX could have a use if we had classic style AD Chems running 1 VIT.

But currently AD does 3x (or more) the damage of SD all while Chems having 90+ VIT. And AD still hurts 1 VIT characters anyway unlike classic. 

 

SB SinX is useless without Linker and SB does less damage on renewal in general. And again, can't weap swap.

 

SinXs aren't even good at breaking Emperiums in their current state. Minstrels and LKs do it much faster/better. 

 

So, if anyone cares, here are some suggestions:

 

1) Keep EDP on weapon swap. 

This would give both SB and crit SinXs a lot more viability in GVG scenarios. Leaving katar off in the current state of the game is a risk of AD one-shotting you. Literally one bomb without Cranial = dead.

 

and / or

 

2) Let Grimtooth receive EDP bonus again. 

 

This server is going to be really boring if the only classes that matter are Chem + Support.

Every other form of DPS atm seems pointless including LKs, Wizards, FAS Snipers, (but at least they still have some uses through other means.)

 


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 09:40 AM

agree 100% 

 

Being forced to keep katar on really makes it feel like we're punished for playing well. 

 

*cries in sinx* also please help us be more viable by making edp mats easier to farm. Biochems and champs have their items spoon fed to them by the raffler qq etc. 


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 10:17 AM

the name for this is called "META".
 

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 10:21 AM

 

the name for this is called "META".

 

 

Ragnarok isn't a dynamic game. This isn't a MOBA where the meta can change with each patch. 

 

If nothing is changed, Chem will be the dominate force for the life of the server.

And SinXs will also be useless for the life of the server.


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 10:26 AM

y'all want it to be more like classic right? So make sinx not so sucky suck suck. 


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 11:22 AM

Ragnarok isn't a dynamic game. This isn't a MOBA where the meta can change with each patch. 

 

If nothing is changed, Chem will be the dominate force for the life of the server.

And SinXs will also be useless for the life of the server.

Do you really think the staff will do anything? have not changed even the champions, who will say sinx. . .


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 02:03 PM

Do you really think the staff will do anything? have not changed even the champions, who will say sinx. . .

You should be saying have not changed biochems, you can't even properly discuss things without bias and you expect them to listen to you?
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Posted 08 April 2018 - 06:24 PM

make sinx great pls, if nothing changes i will have to quit


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Posted 08 April 2018 - 10:28 PM

100% AGREE! i thought it is a RESTART Server with classic conditions... so SD SUXX A LOT.... shame shame shame shame shame i miss the european oldschool server
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Posted 08 April 2018 - 11:20 PM

You forgot 3)

Dont reduce damage on skills that received epd ... 


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 01:37 AM

that sux :(


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 03:30 AM

Let's check the situation together ,

 

 

When do you attack with the Katar (just for attack)  = - %30 (thara) + Buckler defences,

 

Champs = there is no problem when use to GFist / etc 

 

Creator = there is no problem when use to Acid Demo / etc

 

like to Champ or Creator can not beat someone in a single shot

 

This is not fair, look at classical dynamics , Sinx = Emp Breaker / Good Killer /  Good Range Attacker

 

 

 

If you want to do something , it's time BUFF SINX now!


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 04:47 AM

Agreed
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 05:14 AM

I’m pretty enjoy my sinx I guess avoid champ /bio and ninja
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Posted 09 April 2018 - 05:16 AM

I know most people don't care about SinX's viability in WoE, but the class is literally unplayable on this server. 

SinX with renewal mechanics and without third jobs brings absolutely nothing to the table. 

 

In addition to (arguably) being the most expensive class to fully gear + mat for each WoE,

 

CRIT SinX does okay damage if you catch someone by surprise.

But without being able to freely swap gears without losing EDP, it becomes ineffective in most WoE situations.

 

SD SinX could have a use if we had classic style AD Chems running 1 VIT.

But currently AD does 3x (or more) the damage of SD all while Chems having 90+ VIT. And AD still hurts 1 VIT characters anyway unlike classic. 

 

SB SinX is useless without Linker and SB does less damage on renewal in general. And again, can't weap swap.

 

SinXs aren't even good at breaking Emperiums in their current state. Minstrels and LKs do it much faster/better. 

 

So, if anyone cares, here are some suggestions:

 

1) Keep EDP on weapon swap. 

This would give both SB and crit SinXs a lot more viability in GVG scenarios. Leaving katar off in the current state of the game is a risk of AD one-shotting you. Literally one bomb without Cranial = dead.

 

and / or

 

2) Let Grimtooth receive EDP bonus again. 

 

This server is going to be really boring if the only classes that matter are Chem + Support.

Every other form of DPS atm seems pointless including LKs, Wizards, FAS Snipers, (but at least they still have some uses through other means.)

 

 

+1 Very good, even not playing with the class miss her on a goal that we only have AD AD AD AD in woe.


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 06:53 PM

sinx, hwiz, hpriest useless, gj restart


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Posted 10 April 2018 - 12:25 PM

How is it the fault of restart? Crit is insane if you have the right equipment, but unfortunately you don't have access to it.
They just need to revert EDP to the way it was before.


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Posted 10 April 2018 - 12:27 PM

How is it the fault of restart? Crit is insane if you have the right equipment, but unfortunately you don't have access to it.
They just need to revert EDP to the way it was before.

 

 

People keep saying this, they just don't seem to realize we might never get those gears. 


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 08:00 AM

Without Battlegrounds Weapons, Sins are just not going to be useful. They just don't have enough damage without those weapons.

 

Everything that made SinX good isn't relevant in Renewal. They are decent breakers but there are better breakers out there. They are okay recallers but Stalkers and Champs are better. They deal damage but not enough to be good and EDP is far more costly than a Biochemist or a Champion for a lot less damage. Every other class that falls into the category of "A Damage Class that doesn't deal enough damage" has utility such as Sniper, High Wiz or Lord Knight. These classes all have other uses whether it be trapping, AoE utility or breaking. SinX just doesn't have that utility to make them worth it.

 

They're just not good right now.


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 08:24 AM

Without Battlegrounds Weapons, Sins are just not going to be useful. They just don't have enough damage without those weapons.

Everything that made SinX good isn't relevant in Renewal. They are decent breakers but there are better breakers out there. They are okay recallers but Stalkers and Champs are better. They deal damage but not enough to be good and EDP is far more costly than a Biochemist or a Champion for a lot less damage. Every other class that falls into the category of "A Damage Class that doesn't deal enough damage" has utility such as Sniper, High Wiz or Lord Knight. These classes all have other uses whether it be trapping, AoE utility or breaking. SinX just doesn't have that utility to make them worth it.

They're just not good right now.


Yea but they can crop dust the ground, sinx OP, needs nerf
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Posted 11 April 2018 - 11:11 AM

People keep saying this, they just don't seem to realize we might never get those gears. 

 

even with the gear i dont think sinx will deal any damage at all.. its not a problem of gear. its a problem of formula and balance. its just "not right" when you use EDP and your "buffed" SD deals just 1.5x of the normal damage. they should delete the minus modifiers for skills while using edp. but then i guess the formulas are so -_- up that you will deal 4x damage instead of maybe just 2x damage


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 11:28 AM

At least they are good pvm mobbers ... depending on equip, in pvm they are still usefull, but yeah in Woe they are pretty much nowhere near thier former glory.


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Posted 23 April 2018 - 04:05 PM

I agree 100% with everything here, all you see now is just people going bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb.. like its damn Mario with babombs up in here.. Chems are literally all people play now, easy 1 shots in WoE, Easy MVPs, Easy getting Materials.. The rest of the trans classes really got the shaft in this server... GG Restart. (Stalkers server no purpose :(...)


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