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[Handersen]

I think the reason KRO implemented this in first place is to fight inflation and bot.
Can we have this in our server just ignore all the ignorant ppl and just implemented like kro did

[Handersen]

Vmod please merge the topic I think I pressed it twice by accident

[VModMango]

Vmod please merge the topic I think I pressed it twice by accident

I have removed the other thread for you.

[Toxn]

Actually quite the opposite, the rates of prices in Paramarket barely diminish the zeny inflation, and do nothing to stop the power of bots on kRO Baphomet.

 

The entire reason behind Paramarket's existence was because of the other servers kRO has beyond Baphomet. While Baphomet had a steady population and economy, with more than 3,000 players average, all other kRO servers had less than 500 players online. With two servers having less than 100 players. Paramarket was created with the intention of allowing those dead servers to be able to get some quantity of items. The dead servers have merged together recently though.

 

Zeny inflation was largely unaffected by Paramarket, with better deflation seen in systems like WoE Investment. Bots on the active servers were largely unaffected, and still remained to be a major issue well after Paramarket was implemented.

 

But who has time to analyzing the korean market or read up on the negative feedback concerning paramarket for iRO, after all, the ones that did are just ignorant right?

 

Thor actually might have a case and reason for Paramarket existing, only because of the small population, but if you are looking to fight inflation you won't find the solution here.

 

It's sad that the WoE investment system didn't receive any love beyond iRO adding in +20 agi food mats, the investment system used to drain 40b+ zeny here on iRO Chaos every single week back when the system (and woe itself) was active.

Edited by Toxn, 08 April 2018 - 04:34 PM.

[Sigma1]

I guess it's possible. Just adjust the price to be appropriate for IRO.
50k Coagulated Spell is ridiculous.

[Handersen]

Actually quite the opposite, the rates of prices in Paramarket barely diminish the zeny inflation, and do nothing to stop the power of bots on kRO Baphomet.

The entire reason behind Paramarket's existence was because of the other servers kRO has beyond Baphomet. While Baphomet had a steady population and economy, with more than 3,000 players average, all other kRO servers had less than 500 players online. With two servers having less than 100 players. Paramarket was created with the intention of allowing those dead servers to be able to get some quantity of items. The dead servers have merged together recently though.

But who has time to analyzing the korean market or read up on the negative feedback concerning paramarket for iRO, after all, the ones that did are just ignorant right?

Without paramarket zeny is just circulating and so on keep going on and on between seller and buyer. But with para market zeny is gone in the black hole. If you buy cursed fragment let say 7m from player. Zeny Is circulating within the server however when you buy let say fragment from npc for the price of 5mil. The price is slightly lower than the player price thus encourage people to spent zeny for enchantment. The npc take the zeny zeny is gone forever from the server, it stop circulating. I believe this can reduce some inflation.

[Handersen]

I guess it's possible. Just adjust the price to be appropriate for IRO.
50k Coagulated Spell is ridiculous.

At least if they make it like 200k or 300k this will encourage people to enchant. In order to get the specific enchant that you want you will at least spend millions on coag spell. And then the junk or unwanted enchant can never be sold. So either they break it thru npc or sell it for lower price. But the zeny yo purchase the coag spell is gone forever from server. This is a good method to fight inflation. Ppl buy coag spend coag for bad enchant then zeny is reduced from server. They get a good enchant shoes and the bad one can be sitting in their storage till it’s rotten

[Toxn]

You sell a fragment in Paramarket for 5m and the vend market will just readjust and sell it cheaper. Eventually you will reach the point where you still aren't deflating the actual zeny in the game, but are deflating the value of items to the point where doing anything in the game is pointless.

 

Take the popular argument for Straws for example, if you threw straws into the Paramarket for 3k zeny, botters with obsurd amounts of straws would just readjust the prices and still make profit, the slight decrease of zeny per straw would be made up for by just running an extra bot. So what do you do? Sell straws in paramarket for 2k? Oh, then its just going to be readjusted so the botted straws are where people buy from anyways. Eventually you reach the point where you might as well hand them out for free because it will be the only way to deter bots.

 

Not to mention Paramarket sells limited quantity stocks, like the shop in Rockridge.

 

The entire design of the Paramarket is to offer item quantities when there are no alternatives available at all. You don't see this scenario happen in Chaos practically ever. Thor may be a different case, I don't play there so I don't know the market but it certainly won't do anything for Chaos.

Edited by Toxn, 08 April 2018 - 04:44 PM.

[Handersen]

Actually quite the opposite, the rates of prices in Paramarket barely diminish the zeny inflation, and do nothing to stop the power of bots on kRO Baphomet.

The entire reason behind Paramarket's existence was because of the other servers kRO has beyond Baphomet. While Baphomet had a steady population and economy, with more than 3,000 players average, all other kRO servers had less than 500 players online. With two servers having less than 100 players. Paramarket was created with the intention of allowing those dead servers to be able to get some quantity of items. The dead servers have merged together recently though.

Zeny inflation was largely unaffected by Paramarket, with better deflation seen in systems like WoE Investment. Bots on the active servers were largely unaffected, and still remained to be a major issue well after Paramarket was implemented.

But who has time to analyzing the korean market or read up on the negative feedback concerning paramarket for iRO, after all, the ones that did are just ignorant right?

Thor actually might have a case and reason for Paramarket existing, only because of the small population, but if you are looking to fight inflation you won't find the solution here.

It's sad that the WoE investment system didn't receive any love beyond iRO adding in +20 agi food mats, the investment system used to drain 40b+ zeny here on iRO Chaos every single week back when the system (and woe itself) was active.

Woe investment system was a really good method to fight inflation. Zeny is Spend on vending machine, zeny is gone forever, you get goods. But this is when woe still alive and there is no reason to woe anymore now. Let it Rest In Peace already

[Handersen]

You sell a fragment in Paramarket for 5m and the vend market will just readjust and sell it cheaper. Eventually you will reach the point where you still aren't deflating the actual zeny in the game, but are deflating the value of items to the point where doing anything in the game is pointless.

Take the popular argument for Straws for example, if you threw straws into the Paramarket for 3k zeny, botters with obsurd amounts of straws would just readjust the prices and still make profit, the slight decrease of zeny per straw would be made up for by just running an extra bot. So what do you do? Sell straws in paramarket for 2k? Oh, then its just going to be readjusted so the botted straws are where people buy from anyways. Eventually you reach the point where you might as well hand them out for free because it will be the only way to deter bots.

Not to mention Paramarket sells limited quantity stocks, like the shop in Rockridge.

The entire design of the Paramarket is to offer item quantities when there are no alternatives available at all. You don't see this scenario happen in Chaos practically ever. Thor may be a different case, I don't play there so I don't know the market but it certainly won't do anything for Chaos.

The point to bring paramarket is to stop zeny from circulating the server. This zeny needs to be stopped from circulating their server otherwise we probably will see 1k wpe= 1b Zeny.

Right now I don’t see any other method to reduce zeny from server.

Unless they Increase refining cost from 100k to 1mil for HD elu, ori, bradium and carnium.

[Boyeteers]

I just want those safe certs and sp consumables to be sold by npc.

[Toxn]

And tell me how exactly is Paramarket supposed to help you with a bot ridden server that will easily adjust it's pricing to still come out on top above of Paramarket?

 

Literally the only reason I've seen that holds any ground of being a valid reason for the thing existing is on Chaos is the fact Paramarket offers HP% restoration consumables that can't be obtained through other means beyond seasonal events.

 

The system itself does nothing to stop bots, or deflate the zeny economy.

Edited by Toxn, 08 April 2018 - 05:01 PM.

[vividort]

Paramarket will never force people to spend zeny on it, if you get a better deal out of paramarket you'll never use paramarket, its that simple.

[Handersen]

And tell me how exactly is Paramarket supposed to help you with a bot ridden server that will easily adjust it's pricing to still come out on top above of Paramarket?

Literally the only reason I've seen that holds any ground of being a valid reason for the thing existing is on Chaos is the fact Paramarket offers HP% restoration consumables that can't be obtained through other means beyond seasonal events.

The system itself does nothing to stop bots, or deflate the zeny economy.

For inflation.
If you buy things from npc zeny is gone forever, if you buy things from player zeny is circulating more and more and more thus will create inflation.

For bot. Because paramarket sell things cheap. If bot decided to sell cheaper than paramarket then they won’t get any profit. Running com 24/7 and get cheap stuff it doesn’t even cover for the cost of electric. Not to mention for breaking the computer and to sell straw for less than paramarket is like not worth it at all. Specially for botters and zeny seller

Edited by Handersen, 08 April 2018 - 05:05 PM.

[Handersen]

Paramarket will never force people to spend zeny on it, if you get a better deal out of paramarket you'll never use paramarket, its that simple.

It’s not forcing but encourage people. Let say right now no one even bother to get an enchant on bio5 gears. Only top and rich player will do. Why? Because the zeny requirement to enchant is crazy. But when we get paramarket due to cheaper price this will encourage people buying the frags and zeny also gone from the server. It’s like one stone for two birds.

[Toxn]

Ah, got it. The argument here is that you want cheap cursed fragments without having to step foot into farming, but haven't put enough thought into how the market will look beyond the first minute of implementation.

 

Nothing else to do here.

[Handersen]

Ah, got it. The argument here is that you want cheap cursed fragments without having to step foot into farming, but haven't put enough thought into how the market will look beyond the first minute of implementation.

Nothing else to do here.

That is only example. If you want to go with something else then let say straw. Bot sells em at 3k para market sells em at 500z if bot decided to sell less than 500z do you think it will cover for the electric and broken computer?

[DarkOrinus]

paramarket ain't fighting inflation but i can say it eases some things like buying stuff one actually needs for gameplay without intensifying the bad roi

 

altho i would suggest implications that we should leave things that are farmable like oca / fragments. more or less things that are branded as rewards, not catalysts of the sort

[Toxn]

1. Bot sells 3k
2. Paramarket retaliates and sells for 2.5k
3. Bot sells at 2k, adds 1 additional bot to straw farm
4. Paramarket retaliates and sells at 1.5k
5. Bot sells at 1k, adds a 2nd additional bot to straw farm
6. Paramarket retaliates and sells at 500z
7. You have now reached the point where you no longer make any impact on the server's zeny inflation, have now caused item quantity inflation, which has now made SP restoration a joke all around.
8. Botters have now moved onto farming other loots, and now generate more zeny into the game by directly selling to NPCs. Causing the entire point of this implementation to be moot.

Or lets go with that cursed fragments scenario

 

1. Players sell their farmed cursed fragments at 7m
2. Paramarket sells them for 5m
3. Players now sell at 4.5m
4. Paramarket now sells at 4m
5. Rinse repeat until there is no longer any reason for players to step foot inside NBio to farm Cursed Fragments, killing off the content beyond the gears themselves forever.
6. Paramarket now no longer serves the purpose of deflation, as the zeny cost per cursed fragment is too low for it to make a significant impact on the Inflation vs Deflation.

Paramarket, a system that lets players buy the items they desire directly is not designed to deflate the zeny economy by competing with the player market pricing. It is designed to offer items as a last resort when the player market does not have any, at the cost of being more expensive than the player market.

Edited by Toxn, 08 April 2018 - 05:26 PM.

[Handersen]

• Bot sells 3k
• Paramarket retaliates and sells for 2.5k
• Bot sells at 2k, adds 1 additional bot to straw farm
• Paramarket retaliates and sells at 1.5k
• Bot sells at 1k, adds a 2nd additional bot to straw farm
• Paramarket retaliates and sells at 500z
• You have now reached the point where you no longer make any impact on the server's zeny inflation, have now caused item quantity inflation, which has now made SP restoration a joke all around.
• Botters have now moved onto farming other loots, and now generate more zeny into the game by directly selling to NPCs. Causing the entire point of this implementation to be moot.

Or lets go with that cursed fragments scenario

• Players sell their farmed cursed fragments at 7m
• Paramarket sells them for 5m
• Players now sell at 4.5m
• Paramarket now sells at 4m
• Rinse repeat until there is no longer any reason for players to step foot inside NBio to farm Cursed Fragments, killing off the content beyond the gears themselves forever.
• Paramarket now no longer serves the purpose of deflation, as the zeny cost per cursed fragment is too low for it to make a significant impact on the Inflation vs Deflation.

Paramarket, a system that lets players buy the items they desire directly is not designed to deflate the zeny economy. It is designed to offer items as a last resort when the player market does not have any.

U kinda missed the point when you purchase from paramarket the zeny is gone forever. Even if paramarket sells straw at 1k ea at this point if botter sells 1k or less than 1k he or she won’t make any profit. 1. It doesn’t even cover the cost of electric for 24/7 and the cost of broken computer.

Edited by Handersen, 08 April 2018 - 05:28 PM.

[Gibbly]

What is this elusive computer and why is there a risk of it of being broken?

 

[Toxn]

U kinda missed the point when you purchase from paramarket the zeny is gone forever. Even if paramarket sells straw at 1k ea at this point if botter sells 1k or less than 1k he or she won’t make any profit.

 

 

 

1. You have now reached the point where you no longer make any impact on the server's zeny inflation, have now caused item quantity inflation, which has now made SP restoration a joke all around.
2. Botters have now moved onto farming other loots, and now generate more zeny into the game by directly selling to NPCs. Causing the entire point of this implementation to be moot

 

Also, I don't think you really understand how little resources RO bots actually use. The thing isn't a crypto currency mine.

[Sigma1]

KRO paramarket isn't used to prevent inflation. Items price has been adjusted overtime because of server inflation. I just rechecked the price of coagulated spell. It is increased by 3 times to 150k now. /heh

Edited by Sigma1, 08 April 2018 - 05:36 PM.

[Toxn]

How interesting. Maybe because the system is designed as a last resort for dead economies like all non Baphomet servers on kRO.

 

But seriously, if you want a real zeny sink, Paramarket isn't going to help you.

 

Hell you would have better results by implementing/increasing a zeny fee on Merry Badger, VIP tokens, entering turn ins, inn usage, teleport services, refinement costs, entering nightmare dungeons, and the like in comparison to Paramarket.

Edited by Toxn, 08 April 2018 - 05:40 PM.

[Nirvanna21]

Paramarket wouldn't solve it.