All the maps look like ghost towns now. Not even a single player in AP when I went there. With the exception of some vendors and chars in Junon..What has become of our beloved NA Rose ?? Used to be a vibrant community
Posted 14 May 2018 - 07:35 AM
All the maps look like ghost towns now. Not even a single player in AP when I went there. With the exception of some vendors and chars in Junon..What has become of our beloved NA Rose ?? Used to be a vibrant community
Posted 14 May 2018 - 08:54 AM
thanos snapped his fingers D;
Posted 14 May 2018 - 11:12 AM
So there is an interesting article about the GDPR in the tech section on CNN, I believe dated May 11. Gravity was even mentioned in it. They mention companies just closing up, an even say there's companies out there who don't even know they need to be compliant.
Posted 14 May 2018 - 01:20 PM
So there is an interesting article about the GDPR in the tech section on CNN, I believe dated May 11. Gravity was even mentioned in it. They mention companies just closing up, an even say there's companies out there who don't even know they need to be compliant.
An interesting article for sure: http://money.cnn.com...sers/index.html
But this is all that was said about Gravity:
Gravity Interactive, the maker of Ragnarok and Dragon Saga games, is taking a different approach: It will block Europeans from accessing its games.
Posted 14 May 2018 - 02:26 PM
Another interesting quote from that article
"Experts say some smaller companies outside Europe might not yet realize that they have to comply with GDPR, because similar rules don't exist in their home market."
Posted 14 May 2018 - 03:01 PM
Another interesting quote from that article
"Experts say some smaller companies outside Europe might not yet realize that they have to comply with GDPR, because similar rules don't exist in their home market."
Yes I saw that as well Feuer.
Posted 14 May 2018 - 04:16 PM
Posted 14 May 2018 - 05:09 PM
Edited by VModCupcake, 14 May 2018 - 09:51 PM.
Posted 14 May 2018 - 09:06 PM
Posted 15 May 2018 - 02:53 AM
Its now been two weeks since the last update and its two weeks until the block.
You asked for questions. We asked questions, and some of them very important. Where are the answers.
It is despicable that you are putting your head in the sand and hoping the problem goes away without answering at least the most important questions.
Are you aware that you still have to comply with GDPR for data you already hold on your players?
What data will you be deleting on EU citizens?
Are the accounts being deleted?
Are you simply blocking the accounts, or wiping all information held on them?
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This is quite a serious point and I'm trying to make you aware that unless you delete the data you've already collected on EU citizens, you will be in breach of GDPR on Day 1, regardless on whether EU citizens can access your services from that point or not and regardless of whether you actually want to comply with GDPR or not.
You need to address this point head, or I'll make a GDPR request to you on May 25, in which you'll have 30 days to reply to it, and force you to address it. Your User Agreement does not exempt you, and will not protect you, from data previous collected.
¿¿ HELLO ??
You're not even acknowledging questions now. Are you actually going to bother updating the pathetic FAQ with answers to the new questions or just keep pretending nothing else has been posted and hope all your problems disappear on May 25?
Edited by SparkNiche, 15 May 2018 - 02:53 AM.
Posted 15 May 2018 - 06:00 AM
One thing I am seeing here from lots of people, is everyone seems to know what Gravity is doing and when things happened.
NO ONE knows, everyone is assuming that Gravity knew ahead of time. Many think they knew when the law was passed that this day would happen.
One thing to remember, NO ONE knows from the community knows when Gravity was informed.
From what I am hearing, many companies are in the same "boat" as Gravity and did not know (Check that CNN Report).
Still no excuse, one would think that Gravity corporate would have kept up with international laws. From talking to the staff here in California, it appears that the staff had NO clue this was happening or even coming till it was announced. The staff is just as upset as the rest of us, including me.
I know we all are awaiting to hear back from Gravity Korea. Hopefully there will be something good coming soon, hopefully.
Many of you are assuming they will completely delete your accounts, no one has ever said that. In fact, they have said they have to disable all EU accounts, NOT delete.
Lets all hope for the best and Gravity Kr can get this resolved real soon and all EU members/friend can be back in game and soon!
Don't assume you know more than what we have been told, none of us know. Gravity management is the ones who know, not the community. Even our Community Managers from Gravity is still waiting to hear back from Management on this, they can't say anything that they do not know yet, they like us have to wait for Corporate to give them answers too.
Why is it taking awhile to get answers, again, we don't know what is happening in the background. We don't know what management is or isn't doing.
How many games does it affect with Gravity, all of them! How long and how much to fix, again, NO ONE knows.
Some of you might say I am saying this because you work for Gravity. I DO NOT. I volunteer, I am a player as well. Been playing Rose since the days of iRose and when RoseNA started, been here since, never left the game for any reason. For the most part, many of you have seen me "Sitting" in game not moving, but I do mostly I am on other characters too.
Do I want to see all my EU friends gone, of course not! They are friends, why would I want them gone.
I just am hopeful that things will change and we all can play together again soon.
I am just making a statement here, not trying to create any argument here.
Posted 15 May 2018 - 09:02 AM
There's a reason they don't want to comply to the EU Laws... Because then they can't continue selling EU Citizens data like they are doing now.
I already posted a video to my youtube channel where I go into detail about that, and how it's not that big of a deal to begin with, Dj.
Posted 15 May 2018 - 10:52 AM
I already posted a video to my youtube channel where I go into detail about that, and how it's not that big of a deal to begin with, Dj.
Cool! It's not a big deal, I don't play the games from Warpportal anymore due the lack of development.
But It's just a big middlefinger to the EU Citizens who have supported all Warpportal games over the years, and all they get in return is a big middlefinger, oh EU, GDPR? No, no. get out of here.
GDPR has been coming for 2 years, and people only hear about this like what? a month ago? It's just not how you treat a community in my opinion.
Posted 15 May 2018 - 11:15 AM
There is no way Gravity hasn't had enough time to plan for the new change in legislation. It was announced to the world two years ago. A big corporation like Gravity not knowing until a month before the deadline... I find it very hard to believe. Since leading the project on the GDPR changes for the company I work for, it is a lot of work and money to ensure you are being compliant to the new legislation so I don't blame them for blocking access to the EU. Saves a lot of hassle. However this isn't completely a solution as they still store data for EU citizens. I haven't really played in a long time, so I've moved on from the shock of not being able to log in again. However, I still want to know what is happening with my data. 'Disabling' accounts does not mean my data is being deleted. Therefore what are they doing with it.
Frankly I think it's disgusting that as a company, and the fact that this post has been open for weeks and no response to some serious questions.
10 days left...
Posted 16 May 2018 - 12:12 AM
Just wondering and im saying this with the out most respect for everyone reading this thread. Seems like alot of the posts are very reactive and critical to what Gravity is or isn't doing. "they should have known 2 years ago" was mentioned so many times. I don't recall anybody from the community posting about GPDR until last month... Did the community members that had known about GPDR 2 years go just assume that Gravity knew about it and they will do something about it?
Edited by Aldrine, 16 May 2018 - 12:12 AM.
Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:14 AM
Just wondering and im saying this with the out most respect for everyone reading this thread. Seems like alot of the posts are very reactive and critical to what Gravity is or isn't doing. "they should have known 2 years ago" was mentioned so many times. I don't recall anybody from the community posting about GPDR until last month... Did the community members that had known about GPDR 2 years go just assume that Gravity knew about it and they will do something about it?
You can't blame the community for not posting anything about the GDPR... it's not our responsibility to comply with GDPR, we are giving our data to Gravity Interactive so it's their responsibility to get heads up of GDPR that was announced 2 years ago, as they are the one handling our data.
Posted 16 May 2018 - 06:09 AM
[welp discussion I was replying to got removed so guess I'll remove mine]
Edited by soudou, 17 May 2018 - 03:16 PM.
Posted 16 May 2018 - 06:56 AM
... OUR company has a compliance office. WE knew about this two years ago, have softly bent some of our compliance programs so they worked well enough with the GDPR ...
I have a question for you as users, myself included, do not seem to know the answer and Gravity so far have not responded.
Gravity say they that do not wish to comply with the GDPR, and are going to exclude EU users from accessing their games so then the law doesn't affect Gravity.
Do you know if Gravity has to also delete all the data that they hold on their EU users?
Is it that if they do not delete all the data they hold they will be in breach of the GDPR, and liable to the enormous fines that the law imposes on non compliance? That you can't have one without the other? You can't keep the data already held and think that the law doesn't apply to Gravity.
A couple of us have offered this view but I'm just guessing at this since I'm no legal expert, that if they don't want to comply then they will have to delete all the EU users data.
Would be great if you could post an answer to this, many thanks.
Posted 16 May 2018 - 08:03 AM
Do you know if Gravity has to also delete all the data that they hold on their EU users?
From another thread, seems the staff themselves aren't sure about this either yet:
I'll answer to this, but keep in mind that my info could have changed, since they're true in this precise moment, but when HQ will answer the things could change again.
Two days ago I asked with Campitor about the name problem.
He answered me that atm no one talked about account deleting. This means that you won't be able to use your item or your name, but no one will be able to use them.
Posted 16 May 2018 - 05:35 PM
Well, you're probly not getting any more answers til after the 25th or very close to.
Posted 17 May 2018 - 12:55 AM
Break rules = get a fine. Is as simple as that.
The facts are that microsoft had abused the market, set unreasonable royalty fees and failed to comply to previous rulings of the comission; and google was straight up demoting or even removing the ability for other companies to compete which, in europe, is NOT legal.
And the worst part was how they didnt even need to since they were already the companies on top of their field.
If you dont wanna comply to other countries rules thats fine but then dont offer the service there. If you do then, you are under the OBLIGATION, not only to follow them but also to stay tuned to what ever changes in legislation said countries/region have.
Quote was removed due to being off topic
Posted 17 May 2018 - 02:41 AM
[welp discussion I was replying to got removed so guess I'll remove mine]
Edited by soudou, 17 May 2018 - 03:18 PM.
Posted 17 May 2018 - 04:12 AM
It's dead simple people.. Whether Gravity Interactive wishes to comply with GDPR or not the problem is Gravity states to 'Disable' all of the account on the 25th of May.
This is not allowed as the GDPR regulation works with retroactive effect, Gravity Interactive has to REMOVE all the data of EU Citizens they have collected of the years.
If they persist on disabling the accounts rather than deleting them, it's probably because they are trying to get things sorted otherwise it would just be plain stupid as they are in breach of the GDPR.
Just relax and play some other games.
Edited by PureCreativity, 17 May 2018 - 04:12 AM.
Posted 17 May 2018 - 05:16 AM
Well, it sounds like community staff have no conclusive answer yet regarding accounts. The statement they made sounds like they haven't yet been told to delete accounts as of this moment (before May 25th), but still have no final word from Gravity HQ regarding deletion after that date.
It seems like it's taking a lot of time and effort to refund people due to different payment methods used, hard to believe they would put in that much work if it wasn't final. But we can only wait and see what the final conclusion is. I saw some say that their Facebook and Twitter announcements regarding the block were deleted (though every Facebook post they've made since has mentions of the EU block in the comments anyway), and I believe they still haven't made in-game announcements or sent emails out notifying EU folks of the change, at least for Ragnarok Online. So it's kind of a mystery as to what Gravity is doing right now.
Although some have stated that even if they were to do a complete 180, the way things have been handled and lack of official response etc. means their faith has faltered too much to return and invest money into the company.
Edited by soudou, 17 May 2018 - 05:26 AM.
Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:40 AM
Please try to stay on topic everyone. Previous off topic posts and posts that violated Rules of Conduct have been removed from the thread.
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