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#1 mikkotinamide

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Posted 01 May 2018 - 08:15 PM

Are any rebel skills affected by snake eyes? Should I just leave it at 0? I've read some guides but I'm concerned some may be outdated since they don't have explanation for skill builds

For gunslinger skills, I'm torn between the ff:

10 Snake Eyes + 10 Chain Action (in case I decide to go for QDS build)

10 Snake Eyes + 7 Spread Shot + 1 Gunslinger Mine 

10 Chain Action + 7 Spread Shot + 1 Gunslinger Mine

 

Aside from using a gatling gun for Round Trip leveling, I have no idea yet on what to build for MvP. Probably shot-gun build since it looks promising. Are there other viable builds for MvP/bio5?

 

Are rifle builds viable? What weapons are used for QDS and crit builds?

and can rebels do bio5?


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Posted 01 May 2018 - 09:25 PM

120 dex 120 int, Shotgun build  is suitable for Bio5

120 str and wearing over refined temp str boots yields the strongest damage but your cast time will be slow.

 

other viable build for bio5 is QDS build, the rest idk

 

Rebellion skills ( auto attack is )are not affected by Snake Eyes range bonus, however you need Snake Eyes incase you are into QDS build.

 

yes its very possible with Rebel even woe,

 

with Slug Shot

 

 

but unfortunately Shotgun only, cause its the strongest tree

the problem is , you need very high budget, just to make it Insta cast.

 


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Posted 01 May 2018 - 09:26 PM

Round trip, fire dance, and shot gun skills are pretty good for leveling. I always finding myself going chain action 10, snake eyes 10, and single action 10 as your basic pasives. By job 60 as a rebel you'll have tons of points left over after going for just basic leveling. MVPing wise im not sure how rifle and grenade launchers compare to slug shot or crit builds. 


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Posted 01 May 2018 - 09:31 PM

Slug Shot yields the highest damage ,  whatever you do with Hammer of God and Dragon Tail,  its not possible to beat it.

 

with the new weapon, you can get 2-3m easily


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Posted 01 May 2018 - 10:42 PM

So should I just skip rifle and grenade launcher skills if I'm going shotgun + round trip build? 

 

How is that kRO rebel carrying all those slug bullets?


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Posted 02 May 2018 - 12:11 AM

Rodex maybe,

 

yeah Rifle is for crit build, originally QDS works pretty well with rifle, cause rifle weapon has 2 slots, while Gatling - Tempest has no slot.

however after new weapon patch, we got Burning Rose with 2 slots.

 

QDS is bugged in this server,  in kRO or p server that follows kRO content, 

higher your aspd, faster your QDS cast is, higher your aspd, quicker the response of the skill , at 193 aspd, you can spam 7 QDS hits per second, with your auto attack, means 14 hits per second.

while in iRO, at 190 aspd, it is really difficult to proc QDS, at 191 aspd close to impossible while at 193 aspd, QDS doesnt work at all.

 

recommended to stay at 189 aspd if you want to go for qds build, you still able to hitlock your mvp as long as there is no pause between your qds

 

 


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Posted 02 May 2018 - 12:14 AM

Are grenade launcher skills worth taking? They consume a different set of ammo right?
 

I'm planning to just go lvl 10 Chain Action + lvl 10 Snake Eyes and just skip Dragon Tail and Howling Mine altogether (i.e. skipping lvl 7 sperad shot + lvl 1 Gunslinger Mine). Would that be a bad idea? Dragon tail and howling mine seems too odd and clunky to use 


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#8 Silvianna

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Posted 02 May 2018 - 12:39 AM

same ammo now, you dont use grenade sphere anymore

just same bullet, cause kRO logic  :heh:

 

dragon tail is good kiting skill, vs mvp you cant tank like Ifrit or Valk

thats where dragon tail shines 


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Posted 02 May 2018 - 11:51 AM

So i see SS most of the time as primary skill in WOE or MVP which uses Shotguns.

Does anyone have an idea on how we can do that on Revolvers?


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Posted 02 May 2018 - 03:45 PM

yes back to how Gunslinger PVP in pre renewal, which is Desperado,  does work for mvping as well. 


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 12:15 AM

So should I just skip rifle and grenade launcher skills if I'm going shotgun + round trip build? 

 

How is that kRO rebel carrying all those slug bullets?

Depends on the build. if youre not going for agi you can get a decent amount of str and as well heavy lifters.


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 03:25 AM

But The rebel in the vid most had insta cast. He most definitely have high int. 


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 03:30 AM

all shotgun skills have fixed cast time 

 

since the video is from kRO, thats probably the effect of Fixed cast stone for costume

 

 


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 03:44 AM

fixed cast time of SS is 1 sec right? when im still active i tried to build a No Cast SS but it did not work  the method that i use is thru 530stats + temporal dex & secra still there is a cast bar :hmm:


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 03:52 AM

all shotgun skills have fixed cast time

since the video is from kRO, thats probably the effect of Fixed cast stone for costume

Hi!
Mod.temporal boots dex with 120 dex and hit barrel fix cast time option work together?

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Posted 03 May 2018 - 04:17 AM

but (acc to irowiki page) it still has 9s VCT so you still need high/maxed int 


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 04:45 AM

VCT is not a problem nowadays. i could say, never.

 

 

 

Hi!
Mod.temporal boots dex with 120 dex and hit barrel fix cast time option work together?

 

it does, but you still have cast bar which is 0.25 seconds, thats if you able to reduce VCT by 100%.

 

1 - ( 0.5 x 1.5 )

 

 dont forget, fixed cast % reduction  always replacing each other except the highest one. 

 

hit barrel reduction will be replaced with sacra if you cast on your rebel, and your sacra will be replaced by hit barrel, if you cast on rebel with sacra.

 

the highest one you can get is from Fenrir card. ( 70% ) , its not going to be replaced by other things, except the other Fenrir card.


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 04:46 AM

Temp Boots + Hit Barrel won't reduce fixed to 0 either. Game applies flat reductions first, then reduces by percentage.

 

Start with 1 second fixed, subtract 0.5 seconds for boots = 0.5 seconds. Then apply 50% reduction = 0.25 seconds.


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 04:47 AM

Yup, and thats if your VCT is reduced by 100%,   0.25 seconds slug shot cast time. 


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 05:51 AM

Any advise on weapon and skill to use for WOE?

Sorry for  the questions, New to this class :)


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 07:04 AM

Yup, and thats if your VCT is reduced by 100%, 0.25 seconds slug shot cast time.


Oh, thanks! It's good news for my and bad for Fenrir :)
How about new ring 16.2 episode with 30 vct reduse? Good for rebel or rebel scarf still best equipment?
For vanishing buster perhaps...
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Posted 03 May 2018 - 07:49 AM

Rebel Scarf still the best accessory for Shattering Storm and Vanishing Buster, but its performance is pretty mediocre for Slug Shot.

 

however your dps consist of those 3 shotgun skills, not just slug shot. 


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 10:53 PM

Rebel Scarf still the best accessory for Shattering Storm and Vanishing Buster, but its performance is pretty mediocre for Slug Shot.

however your dps consist of those 3 shotgun skills, not just slug shot.


Hi!
Once more question)
How vanishing can deal 700k damage? It's wonderfull kro items?
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Posted 03 May 2018 - 11:15 PM

yes thats probably Rebellion Shadow Gear Set, idk

 

but jRO has shotgun that increases Slug Shot damage by 134%.


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Posted 03 May 2018 - 11:25 PM

yes thats probably Rebellion Shadow Gear Set, idk

but jRO has shotgun that increases Slug Shot damage by 134%.

For iro deal 700k in bio5 inpossible?with vanishing buster

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