[Feedback] Raffle Event - Renewal Patch Notes - WarpPortal Community Forums

Jump to content


Photo

[Feedback] Raffle Event


  • Please log in to reply
50 replies to this topic

#1 VModCinnamon

VModCinnamon

    Tranquility

  • Senior Warpportal VM
  • 11894 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online

Posted 09 July 2018 - 03:15 AM

Raffle Event

Renewal Server

Feedback Thread

 
 
Greetings everyone, this thread will be dedicated to collect feedback and suggestions on the ongoing Raffle Event for Renewal servers.
Notice: Current prize listing is found on fanmade wiki page here.
 
Users are advised to follow the formatting below when posting, so please keep arguments/discussions to a minimum :)
 
Posting format:

  • What do you like about the event?
     
  • What you don't like about the event?
     
  • How would you improve it?
     
  • Any other input?
     

Important:
There will be zero tolerance to off topic and drama postings.


  • 0

#2 Ashuckel

Ashuckel

    '-' intensifies

  • Members
  • 15425 posts
  • LocationJohto, Hoenn, Unova, Kalos, Alola
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 09 July 2018 - 03:24 AM

Like:

Some neat consumables/matts that are getting pretty dry on the market.

Dislike:

Illusion Stone (literally at day1 of the update cmon)

Improve:

If you aint doing anything about WoE investment to make it more appealing, put some of the high demand/low supply matts as rewards in the raffle, like gene +20 food mats (agi/dex/int ones).
Also, better "guaranteed" rewards alsl incentivize buying raffle tickets, even if the main prize aint that attractive, like the Ygg Seeds costing 50k each.

Other:
Idk if the box in wich you can get Honor Tokens (the one wich you trade honor tokens for, and yields a random amount of them back when opened) is tradeable. If it is, it couls be a neat reward at this point now.

tldr;
focus more on the "consolation prizes" to make them worthwhile the gamble, than the big prize itself.

Edited by Ashuckel, 09 July 2018 - 08:53 AM.

  • 6

#3 Ralen

Ralen

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 45 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 09 July 2018 - 05:36 AM

  • Liked about the event?
  • Appreciated the useful consolation prizes which allowed me to get my first serious stock of consumables (e.g. Ygg Seeds/Berries) in a fun way. 
  • I really liked the mix of prizes each week and it gave me a good excuse to just keep trying every raffle and not cherry pick.
  • The most pleasant surprise of the event was the HD Bradium boxes, which since it's a Cash Shop item I wasn't expecting at all. In addition to the generous Bradium box prize the amount of Oridecon in the consolation prize lead me to happily spend and spend on that raffle.
     
  • Disliked about the event?
    Some consolation prizes gave so many items (Raffles for Costume Crow Mask & Illusion Stone) that I stopped participating not just on those raffles but gave up on the event altogether once all my accounts storage's were filled with Witch Star Sand. Admittedly at first I was happy to get a lot of WSS but soon after that point I felt inundated. Having to juggle those tens of thousands of WSS was the least fun part of the event.
  • Related to the above the only reason I ended up with those tens of thousands of items is due to the low chance of winning the big ticket items combined with the low perceived value of the consolation prize which lead to the raffle often getting stuck for the whole 20 minutes until it timed out. At times I felt like I was the only one trying to win the raffle even though there were always at least a dozen or so other players around. This actually got so bad that I was telling people the Costume Crow Tengu Mask was bugged for the better part of a day since no one was winning it.
  • Other issue I felt was that some rewards were really not worth the cost (e.g. Sunglasses[1], and Kafra Blossom Card) especially for how low the chance to win was and how relatively low value the consolation prizes were. More times than I'd have liked I ended up deciding to wait for the 20 minute timeout and seemingly most everyone else agreed and did the same.
  •  
  • How would you improve it?
    Rotate more items in and out every few days as this one was mostly the same with only 2-4 replacements each week. 
  • Make the prizes that are 1m zeny per attempt more valuable items and make sure to consider the rarity of the item! I mention rarity since normally Sunglasses would be a great prize but recently with them being in a very popular OCP box it has led to their supply far outweighing demand and will be like that for months which IMO makes it a bad candidate for the 1m zeny prize.
  •  
  • Other?
  • Was my first time trying to win on raffle and really enjoyed it! But as much as I liked it I might secretly be a little salty about never getting that Costume Crow Tengu Mask lol...
  • Don't even want to think how much I spent but considering that I sold off the prizes I won to get more zeny to raffle it had to have been between at least 7-10b.
  • Can't wait til next time it's back with new items!

  • 1

#4 VanishingPoint

VanishingPoint

    Awarded #1 Troll

  • Members
  • 725 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 09 July 2018 - 05:46 AM

Can't complain. The staff listened to the fans and made the Raffler really good this year. However, the illusion stone can be replaced with something else to make the Illusion Quest more competitive. Other than that keep up the good work.


  • 2

#5 LeeKelly

LeeKelly

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 415 posts
  • LocationUmbala; Amatsu
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 09 July 2018 - 05:50 AM

Same with Vanishing Point. Illusion Stone should not be in the prize to make the quest worth doing. Peeps with zennies would just play the raffle to get illusion stones. I enjoyed the event and got me self tons of yggs and pretzels. Keep up the good work. 


  • 0

#6 Beanbean

Beanbean

    Awarded #1 Troll

  • Members
  • 742 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Valk / Ygg

Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:27 AM

Things I liked:

I think you really hit it with the prizes this time around excluding two which have already been mentioned (crow tengu costume / sands and illusion stone)

 

Things I didn't like:

Honestly some of the better ones are so great (ygg seeds @50k ea) but the odds are so high to get them (1/50 for coag spells) that you're actually sad someone wins them so quickly. I'd way rather have worse odds on those to keep getting seeds haha.

 

Things to improve:

I'd love to see the raffler cooldown before jumping move down to 5 minutes. If that's too extreme I think 10 is okay. I really don't see anyone complaining about not having enough time to spam a prize during a good round, you can get a couple hundred attempts in within 5 minutes. It just kills momentum and you see people walking away when it gets back to back 30 minute waits on crow tengu mask. Could be fixed honestly with no bad prizes or with a shortened cooldown, but you're always going to have people complain about prizes (myself included) so it's probably an easier fix to just lower CD on reset.


  • 2

#7 LordYggdrasill

LordYggdrasill

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 2471 posts
  • LocationWelgaia
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:35 AM

The Raffler is very good this year but, I aint sure how much it helped with the ongoing inflation issue. It is good enough if it can at least stabilize the economy, even if price will never go down, it is an acceptable compromise.


  • 0

#8 Ashuckel

Ashuckel

    '-' intensifies

  • Members
  • 15425 posts
  • LocationJohto, Hoenn, Unova, Kalos, Alola
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 09 July 2018 - 07:07 AM

It does a good enough job if it keeps at least some of the more common consumables at a stable price, or at least slowing down the price increase. Imagine the pleasant surprise to see slims were 8k when i returned lmao.
  • 0

#9 mildcontempt

mildcontempt

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 2859 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 09 July 2018 - 09:58 AM

I agree with what Ashuckel and Bean said. 

 

I think I'd tune the winning rate for some of the items so people spend more time on it, but I'd amp up the actual win a bit too.

 

For coags, for example, make it 5 instead of 2 and make it out of 200. 

 

Since many of the consolation prizes are effectively botted items, I think it's a good double-stroke there, and I'd encourage keeping the consolation prize "worth it" while also raising the zeny cost to play. 

 

The way I imagine it would be that you rarely win the big prize, but the consolation prize is so good you don't mind, and you're spending millions of zeny per "session". 

 

At the current rate, some of the cost/prizes could be doubled or more -- for example the 50k Temp crystals that give 1 ygg-seed as a consolation prize. Straight up multiply that by 5 (including the odds of winning being 1/250 and make the number of crystals be like 10 or 15) and you'll drain more zeny faster. People are playing that for the seeds anyway. 

 

The other thing is to keep in mind what prizes don't get played for and avoid those. 

 

Also, put a kafra near the raffler so people can storage things more easily.

 

Overall though, very good event. 


  • 0

#10 yamasakai90

yamasakai90

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 2322 posts
  • LocationUnder the Ground
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 09 July 2018 - 10:12 AM

Consummables are nice, and people tend to take a break now and then.

 

 

At the current rate, some of the cost/prizes could be doubled or more -- for example the 50k Temp crystals that give 1 ygg-seed as a consolation prize. Straight up multiply that by 5 (including the odds of winning being 1/250 and make the number of crystals be like 10 or 15) and you'll drain more zeny faster. People are playing that for the seeds anyway. 

 

 

^ This, having to pay 3-5x more and getting the rewards bump up by a similar amount would help. This works for those consummables that are in demand and I dont wan't to camp there for hours trying to 'donate' my zeny.

 

Suggestion is it possible to bump the raffler cost higher for those low tier items like temp crystal, coags etc and increase the amount?


  • 0

#11 fuyukikun

fuyukikun

    Disney Prince in Disguise

  • Members
  • 12183 posts
  • LocationIndonesia
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos, on hiatus

Posted 09 July 2018 - 04:40 PM

enjoyed the first 2 days of the raffler. Stocked a good amount of supply from the consolation prizes with reasonable amount of zeny spend.

 

4/5 star.

 

why no 5/5? Coz illusion stones!


  • 0

#12 pao0

pao0

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 379 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online

Posted 09 July 2018 - 05:47 PM

good because rewards are consumables. was able to stack good amount for personal use.

 

bad because there's not much change in the rewards - raffler is almost dead after a week.

 

change other consolation prize such as alcohol. increase the base number of prize. instead of 1-200 stardust, why not make it something like 30-200??? why 1???????????????


  • 0

#13 BlackMeow

BlackMeow

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 2894 posts
  • LocationTree
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Both

Posted 09 July 2018 - 06:04 PM

like: KBC

 

dislike: removing KBC

 

improve: put KBC back 

 

other input: KBC with different consolation prize


Edited by BlackMeow, 09 July 2018 - 06:05 PM.

  • 0

#14 Valtios

Valtios

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 180 posts

Posted 09 July 2018 - 09:05 PM

Raffle event should stay forever. You could create a thread with suggestion requests about the rewards, consolation prizes and start rotating each week like Gramps TI. With time,bots will be less relevant and economy deflation should come.

Edited by Valtios, 09 July 2018 - 09:06 PM.

  • 2

#15 Hendra88

Hendra88

    Awarded #1 Troll

  • Members
  • 538 posts

Posted 09 July 2018 - 10:45 PM

What i like for this rafller : many consumable stuffs like yggseed, berries that we can get as consolation prize which help in low supplies at the market, and also oridecon ..

 

What i dislike : please don't put the same consolation prize but with different ratio, u can change it with other items tho ..

 

how to improve rafller : i think putting some new costume which only can be get from raffler will be good, like KBC card so more zenny will be drained out :)

and please increase the benefit of consolation prize more, so people always willing to spend their zenny even though they don't win any big prize at all, so winning or losing still fun because i think the main purpose of raffler is to drain zenny as much as possible

 


  • 0

#16 Hogbae

Hogbae

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 1247 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:52 AM

What I like:

Got some supplies that were pretty low on market or too expensive.

 

What I don't like:

Some of the big prizes aren't attractive, which makes the Raffler stay for 30 minutes because no one will gamble on it. Problem doesn't lay on the big prize itself but the consolation prize is not worth the gamble as well, and the ticket cost way too much. Focus more on supplies, like guaranteed Ygg Seeds or Berries for those higher bets, so it can be more attractive. I can't agree more with Ashuckel with the consolation prize > big prize itself.


  • 1

#17 4853121207141913140

4853121207141913140

    Awarded #1 Troll

  • Members
  • 824 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Renewal

Posted 10 July 2018 - 11:41 AM

its not draining my zeny as fast as i'd hope

though i've been only camping for ygg seeds and berries

i think seeds and berries is too much for a consolation prize but at the same time its the only thing i'm getting.

 


  • 0

#18 mildcontempt

mildcontempt

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 2859 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 10 July 2018 - 11:56 AM

As an addendum to what I said before, I'd like to pontificate on the practical result of the raffler.

 

That it basically performs the same function that the paramarket would have -- which is to give access to all players to certain items that are typically farmed and not batch-made, and this process bypasses the issue of bots sniping the items before players can.

 

There's nothing stopping bots from using the raffler ofc, but players can get the benefits regardless of "who clicks first". 

 

I think by stretching out the window of time and lowering the odds of winning some of the prizes, and in turn amping the cost + consolation payout, we'd create the zeny drain that is desired while also supplying players with items and consumables that they want and also actively hurt the bot-economy. 

 

Ideally you'd be able to do a "play once" or a "play 2x/5x/10x" option, but that may be overly complicated and so just outright raising the rate of cost/win would do the same thing.

 

I don't think anyone would mind if it was 200k for 4 seeds instead of 50k for 1 seed, for example. 


  • 0

#19 Creusebek

Creusebek

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 155 posts
  • LocationFalconia
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 10 July 2018 - 12:14 PM

Whats the purpose of this event? honestly.
I don't see any change on the price of the items that aren't yggseeds/berries.. there are like.. 10-12 people on this raffler NPC.
I can easily make 300m a day but i don't see a reason to spend a dime on this NPC... 
Please, can someone enlighten me with some knowledge? why should i spend zeny on it? honest confusion here.
My feedback: lower the bets price or atleast add some more interesting stuff.. 500k for the "big prizes" is more than enough.


  • 0

#20 thesifer

thesifer

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 265 posts
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 10 July 2018 - 12:15 PM

What do you like about the event?
- The choices of consolation prizes are good and these items are usually from bots. This deincentivize botting. Good job!
- The amount of consolation prizes is not too low, compared to the ticket price.
- This event somewhat helps suppress the crazy inflation.
 
What you don't like about the event?
- Some consolation prizes are not from botters such as Cursed Fragment or Illusion Stone. I think there is no need to put these items in the Raffle event.
- Some prizes have terrible consolation prize such as Costume Tengu Mask
 
How would you improve it?
- Remove undesireable items out.
- Rotate grand prizes faster (5 minutes would be great).
- Put decent consolation prizes. As long as consolation prizes are acceptable, we will throw more zeny at the NPC. 
- Oridecon, Elunium, Ygg Seed, and Ygg Berry are awesome consolation prizes
- Some cheap grand prizes such as should be given out in larger quantities.
- Another Raffle NPC that offers the same prizes with 10x quantities would make the event more effective.
- Kafra near the Raffle NPC would be nice.
 
Any other input?
- Despite the event, the price of many items is still going up. I think we can make this event remove zeny more agressively to curb the inflation.
- Thank you for listening to us. Really appreciate your effort.  :p_love:
 

Edited by thesifer, 10 July 2018 - 12:15 PM.

  • 1

#21 BlackMeow

BlackMeow

    Too Legit To Quit

  • Members
  • 2894 posts
  • LocationTree
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Both

Posted 10 July 2018 - 02:42 PM

Whats the purpose of this event? honestly.
I don't see any change on the price of the items that aren't yggseeds/berries.. there are like.. 10-12 people on this raffler NPC.
I can easily make 300m a day but i don't see a reason to spend a dime on this NPC... 
Please, can someone enlighten me with some knowledge? why should i spend zeny on it? honest confusion here.
My feedback: lower the bets price or atleast add some more interesting stuff.. 500k for the "big prizes" is more than enough.

 

You're generating 300m a day? wow that's a lot of rogue characters.  :heh:  :heh:


  • 0

#22 Creusebek

Creusebek

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 155 posts
  • LocationFalconia
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos

Posted 10 July 2018 - 04:48 PM

You're generating 300m a day? wow that's a lot of rogue characters.  :heh:  :heh:

Yeah, something involving Sorcerers and Golden bugs... iukwim.


Edited by Creusebek, 10 July 2018 - 04:49 PM.

  • 0

#23 Scrappy51

Scrappy51

    Amateur Blogger

  • Members
  • 168 posts
  • LocationShattered Space of Loneliness
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Not Found

Posted 10 July 2018 - 09:22 PM

Maybe you could add Trans Candy? Esp. the green one :rice:


  • 0

#24 sexygamer1311

sexygamer1311

    I made it Off Topic

  • Members
  • 39 posts
  • Playing:Nothing

Posted 11 July 2018 - 02:32 AM

Could you consider making it like enriched hammer NPC?
It would allow us to use it more efficiently, not all of us are masters of ahk scripts.

Thanks.
  • 0

#25 Kisats05

Kisats05

    Awarded #1 Troll

  • Members
  • 840 posts
  • LocationPayon Town
  • Playing:Ragnarok Online
  • Server:Chaos x Thor

Posted 11 July 2018 - 03:52 AM

What do you like about the event?

 

Consumables that are farmed by bots (seeds, berries, oridecons, eluniums) are now available thru raffler. Most of the people participating raffler event eyeing only on the "consolation prizes". But someone can win right away, so we have to wait again for another turn for the same items to be roll called. Prices for those consumables are "reasonable" than those hoarders in the market.
 

What you don't like about the event?

 

For those prizes like the Costume Tengu Mask and Illusion stone, please change it to something else, prolly another rare costume or another consumables with higher quantities for a higher price. In this case, people won't skip the whole raffler round of unwanted prize to drain zeny faster.

 

How would you improve it?

 

If its possible to make the raffler permanent. This is because most likely those who only participated/hoarded consumables from raffler can now sell those for a higher but not reasonable price. And to think that those who got billions and billions of "untouched" zeny  haven't even participated to the raffler event. Which means overall zeny from the market hasn't drained that much. Please bring back ori/elu as consolation prizes too :) Also if its possible to have other brewing materials like Immortal hearts, stem, etc. since these are also bot-generated loots.
 

Any other input?

Overall, raffler is a nice tool for those consumables/items needed that are scarce/hoarded in the market to be made available for now. Keep it up! :)


Edited by Kisats05, 11 July 2018 - 03:53 AM.

  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users