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#26 VModCinnamon

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Posted 14 July 2018 - 09:33 PM

As far as I know, "refreshing" map spawn will require zone restart, this should be done at extremely critical situations as it may bug things out for active logged players.

It is speculated that AFK leveling is the cause of spawn decrease, this is at least for Chaos server. It has not been proven nor denied from the server/staff end. Technically speaking, the scenario must be mimicked to get the bug properly investigated in terms of AFK kills.

 

I have no info if the staff has started their investigation yet, can inquire about the same next week.


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 09:38 PM

bandaid fix is probably just disable those reflect gears on a certain map just like mad bunny inside woe castles


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 10:53 PM

That would tell if it's the reflect gear or not.


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 11:47 PM

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Posted 15 July 2018 - 12:00 AM

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Any reasons why they cant just temporarily ban reflect gears and see if the spawning problems are solved. This should not be hard. Try left and right until they can pinpoint it.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 12:36 AM

Any reasons why they cant just temporarily ban reflect gears and see if the spawning problems are solved. This should not be hard. Try left and right until they can pinpoint it.

 

I honestly don't know if they can disable the reflect portion off the script in means to test, let's assume they can then they will have to go through each item. That again would be the case, IF, there is no global flag per zone/map for this specific call.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 01:31 AM

Serious question. Is it wrong to "KS" those afker?


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 01:31 AM

GMs could just test this on Sakray right? Ideal situation is station characters in a small map long enough so you could see if there would be any effect or not :v


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 01:53 AM

Serious question. Is it wrong to "KS" those afker?

 

I'd personally suggest against engaging in kill stealing this unpopular way of leveling, it won't make the situation any better.

 

GMs could just test this on Sakray right? Ideal situation is station characters in a small map long enough so you could see if there would be any effect or not :v

 

Yes, ideally and if possible unused map on live servers with autocast gears on test characters being set idle the whole week.

 

 

 

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Posted 15 July 2018 - 03:06 AM

Just KS them moderately


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 04:45 AM

As far as I know, "refreshing" map spawn will require zone restart, this should be done at extremely critical situations as it may bug things out for active logged players.
It is speculated that AFK leveling is the cause of spawn decrease, this is at least for Chaos server. It has not been proven nor denied from the server/staff end. Technically speaking, the scenario must be mimicked to get the bug properly investigated in terms of AFK kills.

I have no info if the staff has started their investigation yet, can inquire about the same next week.


Could you suggest double or triple mobs in those maps too? This would benefit everyone, the afk-ers and the active players. And motivate people to level/explore outside grampa TI.

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Posted 15 July 2018 - 04:50 AM

Double/triple spawn should be addressed to ALL map. Doing for certain maps means you kill other maps completely.

“Hey, why should people level in nameless since scaraboobs got perma triple spawn! No need to think to level somewhere, just scara scara scara until 150!”
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Posted 15 July 2018 - 05:01 AM

first of all, an afk set is not cheap

 

second, why do you tell people how to play the game ?

 

third, if warpportal implemented the autocast items and we use it wisely, why ban it? that would cause a HUGE refund propaganda if it gets banned

 

fourth, just play the game and enjoy it the way you like <3

 

also, if you hate AFK LEVELING why focus on one where you can just REMOVE the mercenary system and fix the AUTOAI IN HOMUNCULUS to get lasagna and orc dungeon map cleared ?

 

here's my 2 cents


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 05:11 AM

As far as I know, "refreshing" map spawn will require zone restart, this should be done at extremely critical situations as it may bug things out for active logged players.

It is speculated that AFK leveling is the cause of spawn decrease, this is at least for Chaos server. It has not been proven nor denied from the server/staff end. Technically speaking, the scenario must be mimicked to get the bug properly investigated in terms of AFK kills.

 

I have no info if the staff has started their investigation yet, can inquire about the same next week.

He isn't even talking about just AFK leveling but reflect as a whole. Also, the game doesn't read it as "AFK kill" or "Reflect kill". Game will read autocasted meteor storm just the same as manually casted meteor storm. It is easy to make BS claims like OP does with crap comparisons

 

Replicating AFK leveling doesn't do any [removed] or solve any problems.

 

If anything, this can be said about the problem.

 

1. The problem doesn't exist, people were just used with the spotlight

2. The problem doesn't exist, map just has many players killing stuff. And people just QQing that there are many players

3. A certain skill that is popular with autocast leveling causes the problem

4. A certain skill not related with autocast leveling causes the problem, could be DB or CC. Therefore totally unrelated with the later

5. A server problem not related to any player action


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 05:14 AM

first of all, an afk set is not cheap

your point is? so if people have expensive gears they can own the game, become a map landlord and can do anything they want? hell no dude!

 

second, why do you tell people how to play the game ?

coz people like you ruin the gaming experience. party play is almost obsolote since current gears encourage solo play. so we are degraded from party play to solo play to automated solo play? where is the MMO? this trend is really killing social aspect of the game. 

 

third, if warpportal implemented the autocast items and we use it wisely, why ban it? that would cause a HUGE refund propaganda if it gets banned.

you can always use it for active leveling. i myself use reflect autocast in active way, to level my super novice. and it is a high DPS one, not low DPS one like people use today, since most of them focused on self defense autocast that focused on healing and slow killing. Resulting in mob hold. Well, we need to really see the investigation if those AFK-ers are the culprit behind low spawn, which is not proven yet.

 

fourth, just play the game and enjoy it the way you like <3

i cant enjoy this game if the i cant finish the BB as fast as i use to. waste of zeny. cant finish the BB as fast due to low spawn. meh.

 

also, if you hate AFK LEVELING why focus on one where you can just REMOVE the mercenary system and fix the AUTOAI IN HOMUNCULUS to get lasagna and orc dungeon map cleared ?

well, those maps are supposed to be homun leveling area. no legit player levels there unless if they love to get low exp per hour. are you perhaps planning to ask GM to make copy of nogg road just only for AFK levelers? do it! i approve that! as long as you dont mingle yourself with real levelers, i dont mind. 

 

here's my 2 cents

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Posted 15 July 2018 - 05:32 AM

first of all, an afk set is not cheap

your point is? so if people have expensive gears they can own the game, become a map landlord and can do anything they want? hell no dude!
you do not own the game when you AFK train, you just TRAIN differently

 

second, why do you tell people how to play the game ?

coz people like you ruin the gaming experience. party play is almost obsolote since current gears encourage solo play. so we are degraded from party play to solo play to automated solo play? where is the MMO? this trend is really killing social aspect of the game. 

when 3rd job got released, it is already a SOLO play game. i talk all day while my char is in AFK. that social aspect cannot be claimed

 

third, if warpportal implemented the autocast items and we use it wisely, why ban it? that would cause a HUGE refund propaganda if it gets banned.

you can always use it for active leveling. i myself use reflect autocast in active way, to level my super novice. and it is a high DPS one, not low DPS one like people use today, since most of them focused on self defense autocast that focused on healing and slow killing. Resulting in mob hold. Well, we need to really see the investigation if those AFK-ers are the culprit behind low spawn, which is not proven yet.

i take magma dungeon 2 as example. it has high spawn with AFK people vs regular 1 person training ground. I did go there to train actively too <3

 

fourth, just play the game and enjoy it the way you like <3

i cant enjoy this game if the i cant finish the BB as fast as i use to. waste of zeny. cant finish the BB as fast due to low spawn. meh.

that is your way to play. also, if you invest in beelzebub wing I dont think spawn rate matters at that point.

 

also, if you hate AFK LEVELING why focus on one where you can just REMOVE the mercenary system and fix the AUTOAI IN HOMUNCULUS to get lasagna and orc dungeon map cleared ?

well, those maps are supposed to be homun leveling area. no legit player levels there unless if they love to get low exp per hour. are you perhaps planning to ask GM to make copy of nogg road just only for AFK levelers? do it! i approve that! as long as you dont mingle yourself with real levelers, i dont mind. 

no copy of no map. so it is okay to train your homun afk and other things non afk? that is kind of meh. you just broke your own point trying to battle the AFK part of the game

 

here's my 2 cents


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 06:19 AM

they should make alternate map for afk leveler and legit player


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 06:41 AM

they should make alternate map for afk leveler and legit player

 

it will be a private ragnarok if that happens


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 07:15 AM

So I can KS you over and over and you wouldn't care?

I fail to see how KSing got itself in the picture here. You seem to have a rather strange definition of it.

 

No matter which way you look at it reflect leveling at high level monsters is griefing people. By holding the mobs for long periods of time or the possibility of bugging the monsters. Grief is grief.

If by (you) you mean yourself then you do seem quite convinced indeed. If it's somehow meant to include others then no, I don't see it that way and I'm likely not the only one.

 

As for not killing fast enough, do you know what I do in other mmo's? If I can't kill at a decent rate, I'll get to a higher level or get gear where I can kill at a decent rate. Don't hold others back because of your inabilities or what conveniences yourself.

This awfully sounds like you consider others not good enough for you. Not everyone is equally geared/experienced. I could not care less if it takes someone 10min to kill whatever they aggroed, if they can do it they can do it. They have just as much right to be there as you do.

 

Are you even "playing" if you're not even there?

Yes, yes you are. If the game has provided you with the means to do it then it is a valid way to play. It's no different than going afk while leveling a homunculus.

And just to be clear. I don't even level that way.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 08:18 AM

reflect doesnt bug the spawn

 
 

He isn't even talking about just AFK leveling but reflect as a whole. Also, the game doesn't read it as "AFK kill" or "Reflect kill". Game will read autocasted meteor storm just the same as manually casted meteor storm. It is easy to make BS claims like OP does with crap comparisons


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 08:27 AM

Double/triple spawn should be addressed to ALL map. Doing for certain maps means you kill other maps completely.

“Hey, why should people level in nameless since scaraboobs got perma triple spawn! No need to think to level somewhere, just scara scara scara until 150!”

 

Works for me. :D


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 08:49 AM

Double/triple spawn should be addressed to ALL map. Doing for certain maps means you kill other maps completely.

“Hey, why should people level in nameless since scaraboobs got perma triple spawn! No need to think to level somewhere, just scara scara scara until 150!”

 

give each map 10 channel :D
 


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 09:17 AM

 

So I can KS you over and over and you wouldn't care?

I fail to see how KSing got itself in the picture here. You seem to have a rather strange definition of it.

 

KS's is griefing, afk leveling is grief. Ergo the analogy.

 

No matter which way you look at it reflect leveling at high level monsters is griefing people. By holding the mobs for long periods of time or the possibility of bugging the monsters. Grief is grief.

If by (you) you mean yourself then you do seem quite convinced indeed. If it's somehow meant to include others then no, I don't see it that way and I'm likely not the only one.

 

As for not killing fast enough, do you know what I do in other mmo's? If I can't kill at a decent rate, I'll get to a higher level or get gear where I can kill at a decent rate. Don't hold others back because of your inabilities or what conveniences yourself.

This awfully sounds like you consider others not good enough for you. Not everyone is equally geared/experienced. I could not care less if it takes someone 10min to kill whatever they aggroed, if they can do it they can do it. They have just as much right to be there as you do.

 

Now have 1/3 or more of the map held for that time because there are so many of them. You should be properly geared for the area you are in. This game is partially to blame.

The big problem is the amount of money they spent would get them a whole leveling set. So it's not them being able to be properly geared nor do they lack experience. Yes I have god items/MVP/OCP making me able to one shot. However, I'd rather see someone 2 shot than holding them for X time.

 

Are you even "playing" if you're not even there?

Yes, yes you are. If the game has provided you with the means to do it then it is a valid way to play. It's no different than going afk while leveling a homunculus.

 

You can't play something that you aren't physically there for. The game is playing for you. Homunculus is retarded as well. However, there is no real way to active level most of them. Moreover, you are forced to feed it every hour.

 

I hate it when people quote like this. Makes it a pain to quote back.

 

If they are there for 24/7 it makes the bug even worse. It doesn't even matter if my theory is right or wrong. Just give everyone the exp who engages the monster like other mmo. There would be no kill stealing at that point.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 09:36 AM

Does that mean the afk levellers' argument of (just doing the same as) afk homun levellers will be made invalid once exp sharing become possible between gene and homun?
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Posted 15 July 2018 - 09:44 AM

It's still not even a argument. People can active level. You can't really active level a homun. You also have to feed it. The exp thing is a lot better, but it should just share your level.

 

Afk levelers gives even more an excuse to bot as well. I've seen them auto res, auto heal.


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