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#1 4103161207215504667

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Posted 31 July 2018 - 07:22 PM

So, I'm a fairly new player but I've managed to get myself some decent gear. I'm now on the way to leveling up -- however, I want to be vigilant and have an understanding of what my build will have to look like at end game. I'm currently level 122.

 

So, for some context, this is my gear setup

 

+8 Cylinder

Sera Coronet

Toy Syringe

+9 EDA/ +9 Abyss

+9 RTE EA5

+9 MBS

+9 FAW EA10

+9 Temp Boots RM EA4

Temp Ring

PDM

 

As I understand it, late game I'm going to want to lose the Cylinder Headband for a Midas Whisper -- which means I'll need to get insta-cast speeds for CC and AB

 

So, my question is, with the setup that I have now, will I be able to achieve insta-cast speeds at 175? Or will I need to change out, say, my Abyss Dress for an Abusive Robe +DEX to achieve insta-cast?

 

I don't have VIP so that buff isn't always available to me.


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Posted 31 July 2018 - 07:34 PM

If still not enough, you can add shadow equipment and costumes that gives Dex and Int

Also improve concentration from abusive robe
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Posted 31 July 2018 - 07:41 PM

If still not enough, you can add shadow equipment and costumes that gives Dex and Int

Also improve concentration from abusive robe

 

Oh, that's true I didn't even consider that I could get the extra bit from the shadow set.

 

Will abusive be necessary to achieve insta-cast you think? 


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Posted 31 July 2018 - 07:52 PM

If you want to get dex rune then flattery is better since it gives matk for bombing
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Posted 31 July 2018 - 07:57 PM

I managed to get 531 status points for instant variable cast using the following gears.

 

Headgear: Any

Mid: Any

Lower: Any

Garment: Any

Weapon: Any

Shield: Any

Armor: +11 Flattery Dex2/Dex2

Shoes: +9 Temporal Dex Boots [RM/EA4]

Accessory L Slot: Temporal Ring

Accessory R Slot: PDM

 

Base stats: 108 STR / 1 AGI / 72 VIT / 120 Dex / 120 INT / 15 LUK

Bonus stats from Lv 175/60 bonus: +17 DEX / +13 INT

Bonus stats from +11 Flattery Dex2/Dex2: +14 DEX

Bonus stats from Temporal Ring & +9 Temp Dex Boots with Run Away Magic: +5 DEX / +44 INT

Bonus stats from PDM: +12 DEX / +18 INT (Corrected)

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Total stats without AB buffs, foods, VIP buffs or blessing scrolls = 168 Dex * 2 = 336 + 195 INT = 531 points.

 

The bold text above is pretty much all you'll need. Feel free to mix and match the headgear, mid, lower, garment, weap and shield slots to achieve the stats you need. This is just an example and is no way optimal build. Dex3Dex3 Flattery/Abusive would be much better. Hope it helps.


Edited by VanishingPoint, 01 August 2018 - 08:30 AM.

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Posted 31 July 2018 - 08:33 PM

I managed to get 531 status points for instant variable cast using the following gears.

 

Headgear: Any

Mid: Any

Lower: Any

Garment: Any

Weapon: Any

Shield: Any

Armor: +11 Flattery Dex2/Dex2

Shoes: +9 Temporal Dex Boots [RM/EA4]

Accessory L Slot: Temporal Ring

Accessory R Slot: PDM

 

Base stats: 108 STR / 1 AGI / 72 VIT / 120 Dex / 120 INT / 15 LUK

Bonus stats from Lv 175/60 bonus: +17 DEX / +13 INT

Bonus stats from +11 Flattery Dex2/Dex2: +14 DEX

Bonus stats from Temporal Ring & +9 Temp Dex Boots with Run Away Magic: +5 DEX / +44 INT

Bonus stats from PDM: +8 DEX / +22 INT

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Total stats without AB buffs, foods, VIP buffs or blessing scrolls = 168 Dex * 2 = 336 + 195 INT = 531 points.

 

The bold text above is pretty much all you'll need. Hope it helps.

 

Oh wow, that's amazing -- okay that's good to know actually! Doesn't look very hard at all to achieve insta-cast.


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Posted 31 July 2018 - 08:50 PM

Dont forget that Dex+5 Dex+5 enchant on old midas lmao
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Posted 31 July 2018 - 09:01 PM

Oh wow, that's amazing -- okay that's good to know actually! Doesn't look very hard at all to achieve insta-cast.

Yeah it's ridiculously easy with the temporal ring. My setup left open the following gears; headgear, mid, lower, garment, weapon and shield. Feel free to mix and match if you need. The Dex enchant old midas whisper that Yonky mentioned will definitely help if you wish achieve instant cast while wearing an Abyss Dress. The Dex+2 lower headgear or the Int+1/Dex+1 lower midgear (Jinn Marin Balloon) will also help. Don't forget about the creative conception hat that gives a hidden +1 to all stats or the freebies shadow set. Happy gaming.


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Posted 31 July 2018 - 09:25 PM

For instacast Acid Bomb you'll also want to enchant Magic Essence level 5 on your Old Midas because the cast time for that is fixed.


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Posted 01 August 2018 - 03:57 AM

with your current setup, its quite impossible unless you pump your dex/int beyond 120, and +20 foods buffs, and jlvl60 AB, and minstrel, and and and and ......... idk

mine 524 stats w/o flattery robe

midas dex4 (slot 2 -_-) int1

temp ring

+9 tb dex ea/rm (i plan to +12 this, but with the recent regional ban hmmmmmm)

pdm

vip buff

 

everything else does not matter because no stat bonus


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Posted 01 August 2018 - 07:45 AM

with your current setup, its quite impossible unless you pump your dex/int beyond 120, and +20 foods buffs, and jlvl60 AB, and minstrel, and and and and ......... idk

mine 524 stats w/o flattery robe

midas dex4 (slot 2 -_-) int1

temp ring

+9 tb dex ea/rm (i plan to +12 this, but with the recent regional ban hmmmmmm)

pdm

vip buff

 

everything else does not matter because no stat bonus

 

Well, my gear isn't far off from VanishPoint's Gear -- except for the Flattery Robe. So, I don't know what you mean about it being impossible? I've got 6 other slots not including the Shadow Equipment slots to get the dex I'd be missing for a Dex Flattery Robe


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Posted 01 August 2018 - 07:49 AM

Tip: If you have the temporal ring and still can't get instant cast using the Run Away Magic enchant then go with Hawkeye. I personally prefer INT since it boost CC dmg plus it also stacks nicely with the Sera Coronet.


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Posted 01 August 2018 - 08:08 AM

I managed to get 531 status points for instant variable cast using the following gears.

 

Headgear: Any

Mid: Any

Lower: Any

Garment: Any

Weapon: Any

Shield: Any

Armor: +11 Flattery Dex2/Dex2

Shoes: +9 Temporal Dex Boots [RM/EA4]

Accessory L Slot: Temporal Ring

Accessory R Slot: PDM

 

Base stats: 108 STR / 1 AGI / 72 VIT / 120 Dex / 120 INT / 15 LUK

Bonus stats from Lv 175/60 bonus: +17 DEX / +13 INT

Bonus stats from +11 Flattery Dex2/Dex2: +14 DEX

Bonus stats from Temporal Ring & +9 Temp Dex Boots with Run Away Magic: +5 DEX / +44 INT

Bonus stats from PDM: +8 DEX / +22 INT

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Total stats without AB buffs, foods, VIP buffs or blessing scrolls = 168 Dex * 2 = 336 + 195 INT = 531 points.

 

The bold text above is pretty much all you'll need. Hope it helps.

 

you can replace flattery with miracle buffs from eden badger ( for 5 emb : +10 all stats, 1 hour, doesnt go away when u die)  so you can use abyss dress or other armor.

 

boost dmg from +40 int runaway magic is too good to replace with hawkeye.


Edited by folkvangr, 01 August 2018 - 08:09 AM.

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Posted 01 August 2018 - 08:12 AM

you can replace flattery with miracle buffs from eden badger ( for 5 emb : +10 all stats, 1 hour, doesnt go away when u die)  so you can use abyss dress or other armor.

 

boost dmg from +40 int runaway magic is too good to replace with hawkeye.

 

I'm really enjoying the discussions we're having here -- thanks for your insight folkvangr! I didn't even know miracle buffs were a thing! I'll have a harder time getting all the Eden Merit Badges, but it's an alternative that I think is worth exploring. And as others have said, definitely have a chance to use food, AB buffs and other methods for squeezing out that last bit of Dex for insta-cast.


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Posted 01 August 2018 - 08:17 AM

I managed to get 531 status points for instant variable cast using the following gears.

 

Headgear: Any

Mid: Any

Lower: Any

Garment: Any

Weapon: Any

Shield: Any

Armor: +11 Flattery Dex2/Dex2

Shoes: +9 Temporal Dex Boots [RM/EA4]

Accessory L Slot: Temporal Ring

Accessory R Slot: PDM

 

Base stats: 108 STR / 1 AGI / 72 VIT / 120 Dex / 120 INT / 15 LUK

Bonus stats from Lv 175/60 bonus: +17 DEX / +13 INT

Bonus stats from +11 Flattery Dex2/Dex2: +14 DEX

Bonus stats from Temporal Ring & +9 Temp Dex Boots with Run Away Magic: +5 DEX / +44 INT

Bonus stats from PDM: +8 DEX / +22 INT

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Total stats without AB buffs, foods, VIP buffs or blessing scrolls = 168 Dex * 2 = 336 + 195 INT = 531 points.

 

The bold text above is pretty much all you'll need. Hope it helps.

 

btw isnt bonus stats from PDM with 108 STR and 72 VIT supposed to be 18 INT and 12 DEX?
 


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Posted 01 August 2018 - 08:27 AM

btw isnt bonus stats from PDM with 108 STR and 72 VIT supposed to be 18 INT and 12 DEX?
 

You are correct. I only got 18 INT and 12 DEX. I must have messed up somewhere on my original post. The bottom line the total status points from the said gears equals to 531 exactly. The details I've included got messed up. My bad.


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Posted 02 August 2018 - 10:17 AM

So, quick question since I don't quite understand cast-time modifiers and the like...

 

Would using a Seraphim Set help to reduce the cast time of AB? i.e. I'd need less dex+int if I used a Seraphim Feather instead of the Toy Syringe? Or does that set not affect cast speed, that is to say, the only way to achieve insta-cast is to get 530 Dex+Int? 


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Posted 02 August 2018 - 10:36 AM

CC = Full VCT

 

AB = Full FCT

 

Article to help you understand skills better (Cast Time[Fixed & Variable], Cast Delay, Cooldown and minus Animation Delay)


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Posted 02 August 2018 - 10:51 AM

CC = Full VCT

 

AB = Full FCT

 

Article to help you understand skills better (Cast Time[Fixed & Variable], Cast Delay, Cooldown and minus Animation Delay)

Oh I see! 

 

Thanks for this -- it clears things up a bit


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Posted 07 August 2018 - 03:06 PM

Dont forget about agi to remove some animation delay.


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Posted 07 August 2018 - 10:23 PM

Dont forget about agi to remove some animation delay.

 

My gen with 1 agi got no problem with animation delay ...


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Posted 07 August 2018 - 11:05 PM

Maybe if have 100% cast delay reduction?
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Posted 08 August 2018 - 07:24 PM

The formula to insta cast (variable cast) is DEX x 2 + INT = 530.

 

And about animation delay, you can always kite/dance.


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Posted 09 August 2018 - 10:12 AM

The formula to insta cast (variable cast) is DEX x 2 + INT = 530.

And about animation delay, you can always kite/dance.


But like this : (dex*2)+int=530
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Posted 09 August 2018 - 10:40 AM

But like this : (dex*2)+int=530

 

You just put the same thing I did quoting me. Lol You don't need to () a multiplication as it comes before any addition.


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