19 replies to this topic

[yauhoilun]

With upcoming gambler seal set is Abusive STR or LUK better specifically for crit builds and why?

[LeeKelly]

STR. There are too many Crit% Damage. With STR enchant you get ATK%. I both tested Abusive LUK 5 and STR5 on both my CRIT RK and GX. STR5 won by ton. Let us wait the thoughts of others.

[Ashuckel]

With upcoming gambler seal set is Abusive STR or LUK better specifically for crit builds and why?

yes

[yauhoilun]

^Ash you replied yes but to what

[BlackMeow]

to troll 

[ChakriGuard]

S6 is probably the best now. Even for my RG, I used to use S3/D3. Now I'm using S6 because there are too many EA %. Pretty much how Str would probably win Luk for GX.

[mikkotinamide]

and it's more shareable to other classes

 

OT: how much do s6/s4, d6/d4 cost now?

[Ashuckel]

depends on each and every setup. You cant determine a sole best without having the full picture.

Edited by Ashuckel, 06 August 2018 - 03:46 AM.

[Hogbae]

I guess you're gonna be better off with STR since you can use it in other classes. But I honestly would still go with LUK (cheaps). Hehe

 

I believe you're going Acute 5, Gambler's Seal, Heart in Mouth, FAW Fatal, Temporal Luk, Temporal Ring as crit damage multiplier...

Edited by Hogbae, 06 August 2018 - 06:30 AM.

[yauhoilun]

^related question then is with all the crit modifiers available do you choose acute 5 (critical damage 50%) or mettle 5 (atk 15%). Seems like acute offers more than mettle. However LUK6 (critical damage 28%) probably lose out to STR6 (atk 20%).

Edited by yauhoilun, 06 August 2018 - 06:52 AM.

[LeeKelly]

Acute 5 for Crit.

[Beanbean]

You definitely want acute, and I've tested luck2/luck2 and str2/str2 on my gx (petal, full crit FAW, temp luck / temp ring, mob scarf, pdm, (+12 bio5 headgear) and I did almost 10% more w/ the strength abusive. 

[Hogbae]

You definitely want acute, and I've tested luck2/luck2 and str2/str2 on my gx (petal, full crit FAW, temp luck / temp ring, mob scarf, pdm, (+12 bio5 headgear) and I did almost 10% more w/ the strength abusive. 

 

I was wondering about this. Thanks for testing, Bean.

[angelopaol1011]

depends on each and every setup. You cant determine a sole best without having the full picture.

 

If the full picture is somewhat like this:

 

+14 Old Bone Circlet Acute lvl 5

Gambler Set

+14 Abusive (STR or LUK?)

+14 FQL 2AK (main hand)

+14 4AK Valk Knife (off hand)
+12 FAW of Deathblow Fatal10

+12 TB Luk Lucky Day AD4

Temp Ring of Mad Berserker

PDM of Mad Berseker

 

Which is better?

Edited by angelopaol1011, 23 August 2018 - 09:37 PM.

[LeeKelly]

If the full picture is somewhat like this:

 

+14 Old Bone Circlet Acute lvl 5

Gambler Set

+14 Abusive (STR or LUK?)

+14 FQL 2AK (main hand)

+14 4AK Valk Knife (off hand)
+12 FAW of Deathblow Fatal10

+12 TB Luk Lucky Day AD4

Temp Ring of Mad Berserker

PDM of Mad Berseker

 

Which is better?

 

STR

[MoyuZ777]

You got plenty of crit dmg mods, so str will fit it nicely in there.

[awesomegeek]

too much of the same mod yields to diminishing returns.

if you have too much crit mod, Abusive LUK will lose.

If your base damage is high enough, crit mod below 100% and a "balanced" gear setup, then Abusive LUK should win.

[Ashuckel]

In general it takes quite a lot of crit dmg% for it's diminishing returns to make it less effective than other mods in most classes, because it will affect status atk too. SinX/GX is a special case because EDP exists, and it's wATK+eATK is just many many times whatever any other class can achieve, like 10000+ total w/eATK while others barely go past 1~1.5k

[BlackMeow]

let's say you have 250 Status ATK and 750 equip atk and 250 wATK

 

Damage: 2000

 

w/ EDP: 

 

250(2) + 750(4) + 250(5) = 4750

 

Crit Setup:

 

+14 OBC of thief Acute5 = 73%

Gambler Set = 42%

+14 VK = 14%

+9 petal FAW F10 = 56%

+9 Temporal Luk = 39%

Temporal Ring = 30%

 

 

Total Crit mod: 254%

 

Final Damage = 4750 (1.4) (2.54) = 16,891

 

if Abusive Luk6 is used considering only the crit mod:

 

Total Crit Mod = 254 + 28% = 282%

 

Final Damage = 4750 (1.4) (2.82) = 18753

 

total of 11.02% increase 

 

if str6 (atk+20%) :

 

[250(2) + (750(4) + 250(5))(1.2)] (1.4) (2.54) = 19913.6

 

total of 17.89% increase

 

tldr; str6 wins even not counting the str bonus

Edited by BlackMeow, 24 August 2018 - 08:01 PM.

[angelopaol1011]

Thank you very much for all detailed feedback. I am enlightened now