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[Conker1986]

Hello I got a MVP card verified via WP GM ticket system. Someone wanna buy it with zeny ingame.

That means we need trade with around 35 characters each.

How can i be sure that his zeny is also legit?
Most chats read GM trade, but what does that realy mean?

The buyer says that I only need make a ticket after trade, he would give zeny first, me than him the card.

After that GMs will confirm zeny is legal, or will give back my Card.

Is this true and save? I also need a 2nd WP account to handle so much zeny

[Handersen]

Do GM trade is better you don’t want to go thru all that deals XD

[VModCinnamon]

Request over-the-trade-limit assistance by sending in a ticket, specifically if it's an MvP Card. It is scam free and parts of trade will be checked during the process.

 

If you choose to go that route, the GM staff will do all of the transactions between the involved parties. All what you need to do is to send in a ticket (buyer and seller) with detail of the trade and sit back, including name of item, price/items to be traded, name of characters, server, etc, anything you find necessary to tell the GM staff what your trade is about. Please remember to not abbreviate names of items.

 

You may also choose to trade first then verify later, which technically is risky, I personally would not recommend it at this time.

[Ecologist]

How can i be sure that his zeny is also legit?

 

Zeny is always legit buddy....

[deforte]

Zeny is always legit buddy....

 

RMT is not legit lol

[CKDD]

Zeny is always legit buddy....

 

there are illegal zeny out there eco

[MoyuZ777]

Zeny is always legit buddy....

That is soooo true buddy. Especially right now buddy, with all of this non duped items buddy.

[S7th]

One thing is the zeny and another the way to get it, but the zeny will always be legit. Right or not, GMs?, enlighten me.

[Ecologist]

RMT is not legit lol

 

there are illegal zeny out there eco

 

I think the OP is referring to this question... "How can i be sure that his zeny is also legit?" Since zeny can't be duped, it will remain legit. If he's referring to "How he obtained the zeny" is a different scenario..

[yauhoilun]

So GM trade or verification of legitimacy is just to see if the MvP card is duped or not? In other words GM does not check if the card was obtained through RMT? I guess they cannot really prove that?

[VModCinnamon]

It wouldn't be in their favor if they started sharing their doings with item verification. With that said, I am assuming they check where the item came from, and how it was obtained, dupe is only a fraction of that.

[Ecologist]

So GM trade or verification of legitimacy is just to see if the MvP card is duped or not? In other words GM does not check if the card was obtained through RMT? I guess they cannot really prove that?

 

They can't... There is no such thing as Illegally Obtained Zeny coming from RMT. Unless, they set up an entrapment.

 

Example, they need to put RMTers into a position where GMs will actually pay and waste some $$$..Deposit it into their bank accounts..Then make a deal.. In that case, RMTers will be held liable.

 

Proving zeny came from RMT can't be established unless GMs will disguise as players and again waste some $$$.     

[yauhoilun]

So the only time GM can proof zeny from RMT is when players buy from those botters who actively advertise zeny in game?

 

Paypal transaction record is obviously confidential and not something available to GM

[Ecologist]

Hearsay proves nothing so the best evidence is the transaction itself or the actual deal. Offcourse, players who bought from RMTers obviously will not waste their time reporting such thing since they too will be held liable. So, it's only the GM who can actually catch those RMTers.

[712180611081654953]

Normally the buying of mvp card through RMT will ask GM to verify again after they receive the card, so GM can catch them for this verification

[Ecologist]

Buying of MVP cards, other items or even zeny through Real Money Traders doesn't work like that... There are several ways RMTers do it...

 

Regarding GMs MVP card verification, they can only verify if it's:

• Duped
• Obtained from the ground
• Location of the deal
• Last holder of the card / first holder of the card
• Etc

A basic example of RMT MVP trade is, they do it or trade it in simplest way, just like you're giving your card for free. If the new card holder "The Buyer" Sell/Trade the MVP card and the new buyer wants it verified... They can trace the 1st or the last holder of the card, where the deal was done, etc. But they can't provide evidence regarding the Real Money involve.

[Ecologist]

Anyway, to the OP... Since you're the MVP card holder, there's nothing to worry about when dealing with zeny. In fact, you said, the buyer wants to give the zeny first. The buyer should be the one worrying about the trade since he will be the one who will give out the zeny first.

 

If you're really in doubt, just send a ticket to the GM regarding your trade or record a video of your deal just make sure to push the play button. 

[yauhoilun]

^thanks for the detailed explanation, buddy

[yauhoilun]

Player A sells MVP card to Player B via RMT.

Player B requests GM to verify MVP card.

GM sees that Player B got the MVP card from Player A for “free”.

However, this on its own doesn’t prove RMT and Player B can claim that it was just a “gift” from Player A.

GM then verifies that the MVP card as not duped and congratulates Player B that the MVP card is “legitimate”.

So that means GMs have no way to regulate RMT of MVP cards since they do not have access to RMT transaction record?

Edited by yauhoilun, 22 November 2018 - 01:46 AM.

[Ashuckel]

And when do you immediately as for GM verification after receiving a "gift" from a friend or anything? Because if that"s truly the case, the player giving the card most likely already did the process himself prior to that, and you'll just accept it(maybe get a screenshot of his ticket).

If it looks like fish, smells like fish, tastes like fish. It's probably fish.

[Ecologist]

Player A sells MVP card to Player B via RMT.

Player B requests GM to verify MVP card.

GM sees that Player B got the MVP card from Player A for “free”.

However, this on its own doesn’t prove RMT and Player B can claim that it was just a “gift” from Player A.

GM then verifies that the MVP card as not duped and congratulates Player B that the MVP card is “legitimate”.

So that means GMs have no way to regulate RMT of MVP cards since they do not have access to RMT transaction record?

 

 

EXACTLY BUDDY!

 

Additionally, except from playing it as a "gift", "long time friends" or "quitting" they can also play it as an ALT char since both traders wouldn't bother telling the GM that they did RMT trade. So, it's just as simple as getting a verification then tell nothing. They will look foolish if they do so.