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#1 Larry321

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 08:02 PM

I'm confused.


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Posted 04 February 2019 - 08:07 PM

Bad translate in iro from other resources example item from Korea RO and Japanese RO.
So
Melee attack = short ranged attack
Ranged attack = long ranged attack
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I mean when you saw the words melee attack and short ranged attack at description, both refer to melee attack like dagger, katar, mace and etc :v

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#3 Larry321

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Posted 05 February 2019 - 02:55 AM

I still don't get it.

 

OK let me ask this instead. What does Archer Skeleton Card actually do?

 

And what does enchantment "Expert Archer" actually do? Scroll down this web page and see "Expert Archer" entry. What do they mean? https://irowiki.org/wiki/Enchantment

 


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:15 AM

they are designations of types of damage

archer skeleton increases ranged/long ranged damage.
Same for expert archer
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Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:22 AM

Short ranged: melee like physical hits (click) or skills like ignition break.

Long ranged: ranged attacks with bows, guns (and maybe musical instruments) and skills like arrow storm, cart cannon, dragon breath and round trip.

In a nutshell long ranged is the ranged damage we all know... short ranged is for reason that escape me physical/melee.

Hoping that these can be harmonized in game as there are many items (specially leech items) having different calls.
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Posted 05 February 2019 - 07:41 AM

Short ranged: melee like physical hits (click) or skills like ignition break.

Long ranged: ranged attacks with bows, guns (and maybe musical instruments) and skills like arrow storm, cart cannon, dragon breath and round trip.

In a nutshell long ranged is the ranged damage we all know... short ranged is for reason that escape me physical/melee.

Hoping that these can be harmonized in game as there are many items (specially leech items) having different calls.

bro...didn't short ranged not same as physical?LOL

physical right normal hit like sinx  RK with physical hit w/o any range..there have weapon give short range...hitting like physical but it give few range(thats should mean about short range)..but about AS card not know is it will increased thats demage or not..(not remember gear name...but there exist...


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 08:09 AM

1. phrasing please

2.physical just denotes the damage type. Most commonly meaning it is based of your atk. Autoattacks are physical hits, if you use a bow, they are ranged/long ranged physical attacks. If you punch something, it is a short ranged/melee attack.

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Posted 19 February 2019 - 07:23 AM

Guys. I seriously need help on this topic. I simply don't understand what ranged attack is. For example the enchantment Expert Archer that increases ranged attack. What does it do and mean? If possible, please give me examples of Merchant / Blacksmith / Alchemist skills that are affected by that enchantment.


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Posted 19 February 2019 - 07:56 AM

Ranged damage refers to any damage done from a distance that is not magic. This includes stuff like arrows, bullets and skills like Arrow Storm, Acid Bomb, Axe Boomerang, Vanishing Point, Dragon's Breath.

 

Melee damage refers to any attack done from close distance that is not magic. This includes non-arrow and non-bullet autoattacks and skills like High Speed Cart Ram, Rolling Cutter, Bowling Bash.

 

Usually melee range is 4 or less cells and ranged is 5 or more, but there are exceptions (I think Lion's Howling?). You can check each individual attack's property in the iro Wiki  :p_idea:

 

Physical attacks can be both ranged and melee. You can check this too on Wiki.

 

Also, you can reverse engineer attacks to figure out what buffs/nerfs them. Do an attack, then equip AS, do it again. If it's stronger, it's ranged. Attack a mob, let it use Stone Skin, attack it again and see if it's reduced. If it is, it's physical. Use skills that reduce certain types of damage in PvP too!

 


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Posted 20 February 2019 - 06:14 AM

Ranged damage refers to any damage done from a distance that is not magic. This includes stuff like arrows, bullets and skills like Arrow Storm, Acid Bomb, Axe Boomerang, Vanishing Point, Dragon's Breath.

 

Melee damage refers to any attack done from close distance that is not magic. This includes non-arrow and non-bullet autoattacks and skills like High Speed Cart Ram, Rolling Cutter, Bowling Bash.

 

Usually melee range is 4 or less cells and ranged is 5 or more, but there are exceptions (I think Lion's Howling?). You can check each individual attack's property in the iro Wiki  :p_idea:

 

Physical attacks can be both ranged and melee. You can check this too on Wiki.

 

Also, you can reverse engineer attacks to figure out what buffs/nerfs them. Do an attack, then equip AS, do it again. If it's stronger, it's ranged. Attack a mob, let it use Stone Skin, attack it again and see if it's reduced. If it is, it's physical. Use skills that reduce certain types of damage in PvP too!

 

Doesn't ranged attack include short-ranged and long-ranged attack? Okay I'm beginning to understand a little now. Ranged attack, short or long, is non-magical attack. Am I right on this? I'm trying to decide which weapon to buy. One is +12 and one is +13. I think the +12 one has better Expert Archer enchantments. So I'm trying to determine whether those better enchantments will make it surpass the +13 one in attack strength.


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Posted 20 February 2019 - 07:11 AM

Ranged = Long Ranged = Long Distance

Melee = Short Distance/Short Distance


Magic is magic


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Posted 20 February 2019 - 07:25 AM

Doesn't ranged attack include short-ranged and long-ranged attack? Okay I'm beginning to understand a little now. Ranged attack, short or long, is non-magical attack. Am I right on this? I'm trying to decide which weapon to buy. One is +12 and one is +13. I think the +12 one has better Expert Archer enchantments. So I'm trying to determine whether those better enchantments will make it surpass the +13 one in attack strength.

 

XD You're overcomplicating stuff. Yes, every weapon has a "range", but the word "range" is not the important one. The important one is either "long" or "short"/"melee".

 

What is the weapon in question? Depends on the weapon is the overupgrade compensates the ranged damage multiplier. From my experience, it probably won't. 


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Posted 21 February 2019 - 05:53 AM

Which weapon is more powerful?

+12 Byeollungum Expert Archer 5 Expert Archer 5

+12 Byeollungum Expert Archer 5 Fighting Spirit 7

+13 Byeollungum Expert Archer 5 Expert Archer 4

 

I think I understand Fighting Spirit. It simply means a tangible increase in ATK and Hit. But what does Expert Archer actually increase? Please answer that question.


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Posted 21 February 2019 - 07:28 AM

more powerfull for what?


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Posted 21 February 2019 - 08:30 AM

iRO have their own grammar. Reset your mind of the old proper english grammar and just memorize the definition that's given by the folks above.
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Posted 21 February 2019 - 08:34 AM

Which weapon is more powerful?

+12 Byeollungum Expert Archer 5 Expert Archer 5

+12 Byeollungum Expert Archer 5 Fighting Spirit 7

+13 Byeollungum Expert Archer 5 Expert Archer 4

 

I think I understand Fighting Spirit. It simply means a tangible increase in ATK and Hit. But what does Expert Archer actually increase? Please answer that question.

 

More powerful for what? :v 

 

I think it has been explained multiple times here, EA buffs ranged damage. CC, AB, Picky Peck, Axe Boomerang, Bow and Gun autoattacks, Arrow Storm and such. It increases it at that percent. As an oversimplification, say your CC did 10,000 dmg. If you have a FAW with EA4/3/3 enchants, those enchants would make ranged damage 10% more powerful. Add 10% to the 10k and you get 11k. Your CC now does 11,000 damage.

 

In your case, it would depend in what you want to do with the weapon. If you want to attack physically, the one with FS would be a tiny bit more powerful (or maybe the 3rd one, don't know which ATK is more relevant). If you attacked with a ranged attack, either the 1st or 3rd one would do more damage. Which one of the two? I don't know, pretty sure it depends on your other gears too as to know how much the extra attack of the +13 can compensate for the 2% ranged damage loss. I bet it's pretty negligible. 


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Posted 21 February 2019 - 11:31 AM

Enchants like Expert Archer and increased Long Range Damage Percentages are usually taken for classes that want to improve their Skill damage.  Skill damage improvements are different than buffing your auto attack damage.

 

Auto attack damage is buffed directly by +ATK or +ATK%.  In certain cases like a  Hunter class/Ranger whose auto attacks are constituted as "Long Range" attacks.  They benefit both in increases in Skill AND auto damage.

 

But if you are using Expert Archer enchant or any increase to skill damage.  And you are using a weapon that makes you short range attack a monster.  IE Using a Mace/axe/sword or whatever.  You will only benefit from Expert Archer increases when performing a Long Range damaging skill such as Cart Cannon, etc.  Your short range attacks do not get the bonus damage.

 

 


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Posted 22 February 2019 - 02:10 PM

Ranged attack means long-ranged attack? So Expert Archer enchantment will benefit mostly Archer class since all their attacks are long-ranged? Expert Archer will benefit other classes only for certain skills that are considered ranged attacks? So ranged attack is not short-ranged attack?


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Posted 22 February 2019 - 02:17 PM

ranged is interchangeable with long ranged in Ragnarok.


What benefits from said modifier is any kind of damage that is classified as such type of attack. Archers are an obvious example, but many "close combat" classes have skills wich are classified as long ranged, or ranged for short.

 


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