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#1 aunzoro

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:00 AM

Please be informed that your missing item,
Costume Archangel Wing was deleted in-game by our GM Personnel due to its ill-gotten source.
Worry not, we already restored your 2,800,000,000z as compensation to your loss.
Our apologies for the inconvenience that we have caused.



My AAW ASPD that I bought half years ago got remove due to the ill-gotten source last week.
I bought it in-game with market price of that time but half year later they remove it
I got my zeny back 2.8b yesterday but the price of aaw ASPD now is 4b. I cant even buy Rudra Grace ASPD now
How they call this is compensation. I feel like I got robbed by them.
(did they know that last year WPE only 400-500m but now it 800m already?)
at least if they cant give my item back, they should give me zeny that enough for buying a new one.

good luck for me that I still have a record when I bought it.
if I cant find it maybe I will don't get anything back.

if some item like +9FAW that I bought it 1b from shop last year got remove.
I dont have anything for proving it or maybe if they can check it, I will get only 1b back
do u think this is gonna work?

I understand that they need to remove all the dupe.
but they should be fair for the legit player also.

most of my friends quit the game since last year.
I think I still can enjoy the game but after this thing happen to me.I'm not enjoy it anymore.
I'm really upset and stopped playing the game since last week.still dont know when I will play it again.

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#2 StunTosMati

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:06 AM

same mine how with my +13 abusive(str3/3) ?there cost much more than ur.....

:sob:  :sob:  :sob:

this issue GM should take care of it...


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:08 AM

any ppl have same issue to?


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:18 AM

they should have other solution better than what they do now.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:19 AM

It's the logical way to do it. It sucks but it's honestly no good which ever way they do it.

 

Item value is subjective. What is worth 4b now will not likely be worth that in a years time. Case and point, if you had a Samurai Spectre Card trade from pre OCP, you most likely paid 15~20b+ for one. If it got reversed now, you would be able to get 2x SS Cards for the hell of it.

 

It just so happens you got the raw end of the inflative deal. And while they could make a brand new item just for you, it could encourage more people to force this option and then be subject to intentful deceit.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:46 AM

Making brand new items would open the floodgate to intentional "kidnap me and we split the ransom" style scams. 

 

I genuinely believe they should go full-war on anyone who creates a dupe. It's completely undermining the economy and one of the main driving forces of the game.

 

I have been on the receiving end of "item you traded for was duped" multiple times now, to the point I ticket in nearly every major trade/purchase, but I am glad that they are in fact removing items -- even if months later. 

 

Just wish they would send a message to you without you having to ticket in to ask why an item went missing. 


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#7 MikeWolf

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:58 AM

Quite honestly, I prefer the option you stated. Because if they do that and are able to send out emails in regards to duped items and refund it. Then they should be able to delete the duped item and RODEX an original of the same item.

It's the logical way to do it. It sucks but it's honestly no good which ever way they do it.

 

Item value is subjective. What is worth 4b now will not likely be worth that in a years time. Case and point, if you had a Samurai Spectre Card trade from pre OCP, you most likely paid 15~20b+ for one. If it got reversed now, you would be able to get 2x SS Cards for the hell of it.

 

It just so happens you got the raw end of the inflative deal. And while they could make a brand new item just for you, it could encourage more people to force this option and then be subject to intentful deceit.

 


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:07 AM

Making a legitimate copy of an illegitimate item only legitimizes the duping.

 

It sucks to be on the losing end of this, but I imagine if someone ends up profiting 2b because prices had swung the opposite direction, they wouldn't be clamoring for the funds to be taken away. 

 

 


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:12 AM

It's the logical way to do it. It sucks but it's honestly no good which ever way they do it.

 

Item value is subjective. What is worth 4b now will not likely be worth that in a years time. Case and point, if you had a Samurai Spectre Card trade from pre OCP, you most likely paid 15~20b+ for one. If it got reversed now, you would be able to get 2x SS Cards for the hell of it.

 

It just so happens you got the raw end of the inflative deal. And while they could make a brand new item just for you, it could encourage more people to force this option and then be subject to intentful deceit.

 

Making brand new items would open the floodgate to intentional "kidnap me and we split the ransom" style scams. 

 

I genuinely believe they should go full-war on anyone who creates a dupe. It's completely undermining the economy and one of the main driving forces of the game.

 

I have been on the receiving end of "item you traded for was duped" multiple times now, to the point I ticket in nearly every major trade/purchase, but I am glad that they are in fact removing items -- even if months later. 

 

Just wish they would send a message to you without you having to ticket in to ask why an item went missing.

 

Quite honestly, I prefer the option you stated. Because if they do that and are able to send out emails in regards to duped items and refund it. Then they should be able to delete the duped item and RODEX an original of the same item.

 

It's sad but as I said, it's what would happen.

 

The best course of action is to reverse the trade and punish the dupers hard.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:34 AM

Personally, I don't see it that way. If you are the person trying to buy an item, you have not a clue if it's duped or not. Knowing this fully well, returning my money back really doesn't solve my problem. I prefer the item I went out of my way to buy. Because as you can see the guy that made the thread purchased the item when it was worth 2b and since that time it has doubled and now he can't repurchase the same item so, In reality returning the money doesn't return the item. I would rather the item, especially if it's being deleted. 

Making a legitimate copy of an illegitimate item only legitimizes the duping.

 

It sucks to be on the losing end of this, but I imagine if someone ends up profiting 2b because prices had swung the opposite direction, they wouldn't be clamoring for the funds to be taken away. 

 


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 10:59 AM

Ah some ppls really love to complain, consider yourself lucky if you actually get the zeny back since many ppls who forgot about taking screenshots would end up just losing the item for nothing, no zeny returned at all. Also in the past they used to ban accounts with duped zeny/items, nowadays you are highly unlikely to be banned for possessing the illegitimate items. On this aspect, they are already doing a lot better than the old days, gotta give credits where it is due.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:36 PM

Personally, I don't see it that way. If you are the person trying to buy an item, you have not a clue if it's duped or not. Knowing this fully well, returning my money back really doesn't solve my problem. I prefer the item I went out of my way to buy. Because as you can see the guy that made the thread purchased the item when it was worth 2b and since that time it has doubled and now he can't repurchase the same item so, In reality returning the money doesn't return the item. I would rather the item, especially if it's being deleted. 

 

If they returned a newly made item, it would cause more problems as the people doing the duping would effectively have a way to launder their illegitimate items. 

 

It is best that the trade be undone as fast as possible so as to not suffer fluctuations in the market; and for the players, it's unfortunate but necessary to put in a ticket when you do a high value trade, not only so you are safe but also to help speed up the identification of duped items and those who got the dupe in the first place. 

 

I just hope that the GM team is tracking said duped items' history to its source.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 01:13 PM

Their service seems to be doing stellar for verifications. Submitted two tickets earlier, one was verified within 10mins of submission, the other 6mins. So get it done boys and girls.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 01:24 PM

I give them credit for fixing their terrible customer service over the years, which has improved greatly but one shouldn't be considered lucky to get zeny back if they lost an item that's worth time, effort and in-game money from duping. From what it looks like they are researching accounts that have the said item and going forth with deleting it. They are obviously looking at timetables if they are providing the zeny back. So yes, I would complain to the ends of Earth after losing an item that I went out of my way to purchase. 

 

I understand you're position on it because you are basing what you are saying off experience and what you have seen so I don't blame you on thinking this way. They were able to do this back then, the "no zeny returned at all" statement because they actually had a strong customer base paying monthly subs at the time, even when the game went free. Same concept. Today is very different, the customer base isn't as big so they have to hold on to as many people as possible.

Ah some ppls really love to complain, consider yourself lucky if you actually get the zeny back since many ppls who forgot about taking screenshots would end up just losing the item for nothing, no zeny returned at all. Also in the past they used to ban accounts with duped zeny/items, nowadays you are highly unlikely to be banned for possessing the illegitimate items. On this aspect, they are already doing a lot better than the old days, gotta give credits where it is due.

 


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 01:33 PM

I have been playing iRo since 2013,
I have 13 accounts I cant remember how I get all of items and I dont have screenshot all of them.

this is my first time that my item was removed.
I know it because it on my main account but if it on other account maybe I will never know.
they dont inform anything to me I just find out by myself.
why they cant inform me when they remove something from my account?
This is one point that I want to complain.

2nd point,why I have to find record and screenshot for prove my self by my own?
as I said if I cant find anything maybe I dont get anything back.
over 5 years on this server most of screenshot in my computer was gone. I re-install it many times.
Do they think anybody takes all screenshot when they bought something from the shop?
and something I bought and sold it more than 10 times such as +9FAW I still have 3 of them but really cant remember how I got it each.
Something I bought only 1b long time ago but now it over 5b-7b or something like Arc Elder card that it now over 15b.
in case that they really can check how we got them and give money that we bought it back,
do they really think the price of last year same like today?

The last point, why they don't remove it early? I send ticket to them about my account many time,
They should found it before.(I just send ticket on December for request Brynhild name change,why they dont check other item in my account?)
why don't check them every week? the price of the item is swing every day.
if they remove it 1week or 1month after the transaction I think that still be ok.
but after several month maybe screenshot and record are gone already.

why player who play thier game in the correct way need to be victim?
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 02:52 PM

I have been playing iRo since 2013,
I have 13 accounts I cant remember how I get all of items and I dont have screenshot all of them.

this is my first time that my item was removed.
I know it because it on my main account but if it on other account maybe I will never know.
they dont inform anything to me I just find out by myself.
why they cant inform me when they remove something from my account?
This is one point that I want to complain.

2nd point,why I have to find record and screenshot for prove my self by my own?
as I said if I cant find anything maybe I dont get anything back.
over 5 years on this server most of screenshot in my computer was gone. I re-install it many times.
Do they think anybody takes all screenshot when they bought something from the shop?
and something I bought and sold it more than 10 times such as +9FAW I still have 3 of them but really cant remember how I got it each.
Something I bought only 1b long time ago but now it over 5b-7b or something like Arc Elder card that it now over 15b.
in case that they really can check how we got them and give money that we bought it back,
do they really think the price of last year same like today?

The last point, why they don't remove it early? I send ticket to them about my account many time,
They should found it before.(I just send ticket on December for request Brynhild name change,why they dont check other item in my account?)
why don't check them every week? the price of the item is swing every day.
if they remove it 1week or 1month after the transaction I think that still be ok.
but after several month maybe screenshot and record are gone already.

why player who play thier game in the correct way need to be victim?

+1 why why why??? :)
for ppl who no get the victim yet please no need talking here like they known the feel...before it happend to ur self..LOL


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 03:25 PM

How the hell do you keep track of 13 accounts!?!
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 03:55 PM

The failure to communicate to someone that an item was removed is something that should be mandated -- especially since each account is linked by a primary email. Should a person opt not to check that email, well, so be it.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 04:11 PM

I had mine taken away. They haven’t refunded my zeny - I haven’t heard from WP since 9 Feb. I hope they didn’t forget about my ticket.
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Posted 11 February 2019 - 04:54 PM

Making a legitimate copy of an illegitimate item only legitimizes the duping.

 

It sucks to be on the losing end of this, but I imagine if someone ends up profiting 2b because prices had swung the opposite direction, they wouldn't be clamoring for the funds to be taken away. 

Delete the items, keep the zeny around : Legit players get punished.

 

Legitimize the items, delete the zeny : Dupers get punished.

 

Same value ends up deleted from the server.

 

But eh, who cares. Nothing bad can happen by constantly -_- with your customers right?


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 04:59 PM

lol this all worries me so much because I buy expensive things all the time and I have so much of it I wouldn't even know if it went missing / assume I just misplaced it.

 

Hopefully we can get some kind of notification something was being removed so I know at least. Taking my own inventory is a pretty unnecessary chore that makes the game feel like a job. 

 

If they told us what was removed at least I wouldn't have to submit frivolous tickets to have them investigate items that aren't actually "missing".


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 05:06 PM

Delete the items, keep the zeny around : Legit players get punished.

 

Legitimize the items, delete the zeny : Dupers get punished.

 

Same value ends up deleted from the server.

 

But eh, who cares. Nothing bad can happen by constantly -_- with your customers right?

 

Consider this then, duper wants a legal copy of an item. Asks a friend to make an account and do a trade for one of his duped items. GM catches it, gives the new player a legal item.

 

New player then hands it back to friend and bam, duper now has a legal item.

 

Rinse and repeat here and there because like it would be difficult to make alts on a free to play server.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 05:16 PM

Consider this then, duper wants a legal copy of an item. Asks a friend to make an account and do a trade for one of his duped items. GM catches it, gives the new player a legal item.

 

New player then hands it back to friend and bam, duper now has a legal item.

 

Rinse and repeat here and there because like it would be difficult to make alts on a free to play server.

If they're stupid enough to miss those what are they even doing trying to clear this mess...

 

But whatever, it was nothing more than oversimplifying things anyway.

 

Point was, they picked the wrong targets.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 05:17 PM

If they're stupid enough to miss those what are they even doing trying to clear this mess...

 

But whatever, it was nothing more than oversimplifying things anyway.

 

Point was, they picked the wrong targets.

 

They have made many more mistakes in the past, quite a few severe ones that needed rectifying. So I wouldn't put it past them.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 07:19 PM

just send ticket for every trade you made


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