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[Cristalion]

Well Im an older player and this is something really rare but everytime iRO add a refine event such as, Shadows and Mad Bunny Event that is suppose to have a better chance to get high upgrade gears.

 

I see ALWAYS this, 1st week of event, everything is fine example on shadows gears I can easy make +9 shadows 16-20 shadows pcs with only 100 hd ore....after the 1st week I can rarely make 12 gears at +9.

 

Now with Mad Bunny Event in past events and including this. 1st week the avg to make a +14 gear is 200-300 ores and after a week 1,000+.

 

I know I cannot say iRO is trying to "scam" us because if you send a ticket regarding this, they can say is a %rate of success every time you attempt and is 100% true but the thing is I remember 2 years ago people made MANY +15 gears and now (I dont know Im not asking everyone) theres few +15 gears (I know long ago there were more people including the EU players but still the same fact)

 

I will continue spending time/money in RO because I like this game BUT iRO staff should pay attention on this. Because Im sure Im not the only one thinking about this matters

 

Last week I tried to make a +15 Clergy Nurse Cap i failed 4 times...with less than 500 ore and this week I spent 1k and only got 1 time +14 and failed when i tried to make it +15. I dont believe in luck is all about rates, and the rates I had last week are more according to the "refine event" than this week.

 

Im not trying to make a drama but I would like GMS really check and track that because on this kind of events people will spend money and of course If i wanna make 2 or 3 gears +14/+15 I will spend more and more until i get them (in case I have the money) and thats the "business man logic", make people thing theres a better "chance" but you are modifying rates during the event (thats my personal opinion with all my experience in iRO)

[Zayaan]

Pass me that +20 Tin Foil Hat.

[VModCinnamon]

Hello!

The rates have been double checked and this was prior the weekend, no changes were made and the rates are on increased rates. Let's say the chance of success is 20%, there is still 80% chance of fail, so what you are experiencing is bad luck or more like math doing its thing.
IF and only if, should modifications be made then that will require a server maintenance, it cannot happen mid week while servers are live.

 

 

Refine Event (Mad Bunny) rates:

 

 

 

Everyday Normal rates:

 

Spoiler

 

[Scuba]

Pass me that +20 Tin Foil Hat.

 

How do we not have this headgear yet?!

[Cristalion]

Well thanks for the reply, as I said is just a feeling because I always spend and always refine and that is what I see but again I will keep playing and spending time and money just would be nice GMs always try to check that.

I think Im gonna wait next mad bunny and spend all those ore at the begining (at least for me I have "more luck" on the 1st week).

Thanks so much for your time

Hello!
The rates have been double checked and this was prior the weekend, no changes were made and the rates are on increased rates. Let's say the chance of success is 20%, there is still 80% chance of fail, so what you are experiencing is bad luck or more like math doing its thing.
IF and only if, should modifications be made then that will require a server maintenance, it cannot happen mid week while servers are live.


Refine Event (Mad Bunny) rates:




Everyday Normal rates:

Spoiler

[junioran]

Lady Luck is a fickle mistress

[lorenz1375]

Bought a hd carnium5 box and +12 my gear with no fails

Refined 20pcs TENS and non reached +8

Yep lady luck is a b***

Edited by lorenz1375, 02 June 2019 - 06:11 AM.

[blackCROSSCY]

i've mentioned it in the past, but if you've never heard about how RNG works in RO; the tdlr tip is simply to stop when you really are suffering from a chain of bad streak.

 

Long: RO's is old, so it does not use any real random system but mimics one by generating a seed number and then basing results off it. So if the seed number is very bad, that's when you start seeing a lot of failures and low success chances. It's best to wait for the seed number to change before trying again. You might think this is rigged but actually the system will ensure that in many thousands of tries, the average outcome is almost exactly what is set (like 30% chance). After a bunch of bad seeds and failures there will be good seeds and they even each other out to become the 30% average over thousands of tries. However, this means that individual tries are not 30% chance each, but rather it could be 40% or 20% based on the seed number at that moment.

 

Almost impossible to tell when it's good and bad, but if you really see yourself failing left and right continuously, STOP and try later.

 

Cheers.

[Fuuton]

@cinn, OP isnt addressing the rates of success, they're addressing those RnG-wave-windows that i and several others keep mentioning. how long are you guys gonna dodge this and act like it doesnt exist lol.

[VModCinnamon]

Hello Fuuton, there is no such thing as windows for best rates, the rates are all the same at all times during the event. This is more of feelcrafting than anything, it's purely random. Hence, when getting the bad flip of a coin constantly I'd ask the user to stop and try at a later time or day, and this is merely to keep ones sanity.

[Cristalion]

haha yeah this make more sense but again is like cinammon said and well is all about rate and theres always "a chance of success or fail" but is just like weird when you do always refine and you can know and/or expect a result from an avg and then see no results but well at end it was just a feeling and wanted to "ask" or make sure GMs check and review that because is something weird.....due im a doctor I dont have much time from monday-friday so I use to refine on weeken and always on 1st week i have the BEST of "luck" and others week then is a cursed hahah anyways...nothing bad or negative with this post just wanted to ask and also see if other players have the same "feelings"

i've mentioned it in the past, but if you've never heard about how RNG works in RO; the tdlr tip is simply to stop when you really are suffering from a chain of bad streak.

Long: RO's is old, so it does not use any real random system but mimics one by generating a seed number and then basing results off it. So if the seed number is very bad, that's when you start seeing a lot of failures and low success chances. It's best to wait for the seed number to change before trying again. You might think this is rigged but actually the system will ensure that in many thousands of tries, the average outcome is almost exactly what is set (like 30% chance). After a bunch of bad seeds and failures there will be good seeds and they even each other out to become the 30% average over thousands of tries. However, this means that individual tries are not 30% chance each, but rather it could be 40% or 20% based on the seed number at that moment.

Almost impossible to tell when it's good and bad, but if you really see yourself failing left and right continuously, STOP and try later.

Cheers.

[nyyaan]

i've mentioned it in the past, but if you've never heard about how RNG works in RO; the tdlr tip is simply to stop when you really are suffering from a chain of bad streak.

Long: RO's is old, so it does not use any real random system but mimics one by generating a seed number and then basing results off it. So if the seed number is very bad, that's when you start seeing a lot of failures and low success chances. It's best to wait for the seed number to change before trying again. You might think this is rigged but actually the system will ensure that in many thousands of tries, the average outcome is almost exactly what is set (like 30% chance). After a bunch of bad seeds and failures there will be good seeds and they even each other out to become the 30% average over thousands of tries. However, this means that individual tries are not 30% chance each, but rather it could be 40% or 20% based on the seed number at that moment.

Almost impossible to tell when it's good and bad, but if you really see yourself failing left and right continuously, STOP and try later.

Cheers.

This is what new players or ignorant people should read.

Might add that, you may as well keep spamming and failing until you move into a success circle because you already fail countless time lol

[andxres]

Protip: buy from other

[mikkotinamide]

Err why are we talking about rates, I actually thought OP was complaining about RNG.

 

Also, isnt the concern valid since even if the rates are fixed, prng is not? And as mentioned by crosscy, RO uses an old rng system. Aren't those pseudo fair chance?  

Edited by mikkotinamide, 02 June 2019 - 11:11 PM.

[ilovemuffin]

Is this the conspiracy y'all talking about? https://www.geeksfor...generator-prng/

[yauhoilun]

Now with Mad Bunny Event in past events and including this. 1st week the avg to make a +14 gear is 200-300 ores and after a week 1,000+.

Do you know what “average” means?