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[Yugacky]

 

Well, I can hit about the same without no limit.

With no limit can go over 3m. With no limit, lex and other means, it might go over 20m. 

 

[ChowYunFat]

 

There is no point comparing damage with MAX level ranger with a lot of consumables.

 

 

 

Maybe you should show all your shadow gears, consumables,buff and level too if you wish to compare next time. 

 

 

 

Well, I can hit about the same without no limit.

With no limit can go over 3m. With no limit, lex and other means, it might go over 20m. 

 

 

Like I said. Show us your shadow gears, base level and buff if you wish to compare. We already know you only have a big D to show off in RO only 

[Yugacky]

Shadow gears are +10 Physical set and Beholder/Flameguard set and +10 Basis armor.

Level 175 for this. My point is gears does not matter much if you don't show buffs like other guy.

 

My previous one was same shadow gear. Bless, AGI up, VIP buff, and shield spell.

Aimed Bolt wasn't even max, so I was missing some Arrow Storm and ranged damage bonus from Prism Scarf.

 

It's better to do the math if you want to compare WW set and breaking WW set.

 

WW set with +13 WWS gives(no enchant)

arrow_storm(1 + 0.65 +0.5) * ranged(1 + 0.3 + 0.26) = 3.354

 

+7 Prism Scarf(with Aimed Bolt lvl10) and +9 Icefall Dress

arrow_storm(1 + 0.65 + 0.1) * ranged(1 + 0.3) * race(1.4) = 3.185

And you have a boots and a accessory slot for further improvement.

Also, 6.67% Arrow Storm cool time reduction.

(Both case with +13 BxB)

 

With no limit

WW set

arrow_storm(1 + 0.65 +0.5) * ranged(3.5 + 0.3 + 0.26) = 8.729

 

+7 Prism Scarf and +9 Icefall Dress

arrow_storm(1 + 0.65 + 0.1) * ranged(3.5 + 0.3) * race(1.4) = 9.31

 

Edited by Yugacky, 22 November 2019 - 05:19 PM.

[ChowYunFat]

Shadow gears are +10 Physical set and Beholder/Flameguard set and +10 Basis armor.

Level 175 for this. My point is gears does not matter much if you don't show buffs like other guy.

 

My previous one was same shadow gear. Bless, AGI up, VIP buff, and shield spell.

Aimed Bolt wasn't even max, so I was missing some Arrow Storm and ranged damage bonus from Prism Scarf.

 

It's better to do the math if you want to compare WW set and breaking WW set.

 

WW set with +13 WWS gives(no enchant)

arrow_storm(1 + 0.65 +0.5) * ranged(1 + 0.3 + 0.26) = 3.354

 

+7 Prism Scarf(with Aimed Bolt lvl10) and +9 Icefall Dress

arrow_storm(1 + 0.65 + 0.1) * ranged(1 + 0.3) * race(1.4) = 3.185

And you have a boots and a accessory slot for further improvement.

Also, 6.67% Arrow Storm cool time reduction.

(Both case with +13 BxB)

 

With no limit

WW set

arrow_storm(1 + 0.65 +0.5) * ranged(3.5 + 0.3 + 0.26) = 8.729

 

+7 Prism Scarf and +9 Icefall Dress

arrow_storm(1 + 0.65 + 0.1) * ranged(3.5 + 0.3) * race(1.4) = 9.31

 

Umm...RO attack formula are not that simple. Range attack modifier and racial attack modifier doesn't work the same way. You cannot just simply add them up. 
Proof are here. https://irowiki.org/wiki/ATK
A big thank you to whoever painstakingly experimenting and putting lots of effort into finding out the secret of iRO attack formula.
Range modifier are always superior to racial attack modifier. 

 

WW set are cheap good alternative without needing to over upgrade with the exception of only WW suit. You can't compare bazillion zeny OCPs +13 gears  to 10 years old white wing gears from Mora. 

 

This is why Leo's WW set with lots of range% modifier damage and 50% Arrow storm damage 311k easily surpass your higher atttack 210k non WW set arrow storm damage.

PLEASE show us your WHOLE RO screen so we can compare buff and level for argument sake.  You are not doing anyone a favor especially the new players by hiding it. You can crop out your name if you are a little shy but leave everything open if you really want to prove something.    

[Ashuckel]

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smh

Spoiler

i feel ya yugacky

[Yugacky]

Of course I know the actual formula. Without no limit ranged damage bonus from WW set works well.

So, the damage difference between WW set and breaking set are not big.

But, if the damage is over big bell's HP 166,860, who cares the number.

 

Here is some comparison with my ranger

used buffs are VIP buff, shield spell, improve concentration, falcon eyes, bless and increase agi.

no camouflage, no no limit

 

case1:

you can put knocker card on sunglasses and +9% ATK enchant in WWM to improve better.

I don't have enough Str+Luk 6% bonus for mob set.

But, when you are leveling I don't think you can have 12% ATK damage from mob set.

 

case2:

My ranger have 120 base AGI. So, Imperial set works better.

If you have +9%ATK enchant and put vicious cookie card on the boots.

You can do higher damage to see higher numbers investing zeny for ranger only gears.

 

caes3:

prism scarf is cheap and reduces Arrow Storm cool time. Con is Icefall dress does not nullify the shadow element skill.

 

case4:

Happy balloon and Mechanic shoes for exp boost. You can replace mid head gear to any knocker, arc angeling or sp increase card.

Lower damage, but you can get more exp. Con is some people tell you white wing set is superior.

If you have problem with SP, you can replace shoes to temp boots with runaway magic and replace emerald ring to temp ring.

 

[VModCinnamon]

Take it easy folks.

[worldeditor95]

Of course I know the actual formula. Without no limit ranged damage bonus from WW set works well.

So, the damage difference between WW set and breaking set are not big.

But, if the damage is over big bell's HP 166,860, who cares the number.

 

Here is some comparison with my ranger

used buffs are VIP buff, shield spell, improve concentration, falcon eyes, bless and increase agi.

no camouflage, no no limit

 

case1:

you can put knocker card on sunglasses and +9% ATK enchant in WWM to improve better.

I don't have enough Str+Luk 6% bonus for mob set.

But, when you are leveling I don't think you can have 12% ATK damage from mob set.

 

case2:

My ranger have 120 base AGI. So, Imperial set works better.

If you have +9%ATK enchant and put vicious cookie card on the boots.

You can do higher damage to see higher numbers investing zeny for ranger only gears.

 

caes3:

prism scarf is cheap and reduces Arrow Storm cool time. Con is Icefall dress does not nullify the shadow element skill.

 

case4:

Happy balloon and Mechanic shoes for exp boost. You can replace mid head gear to any knocker, arc angeling or sp increase card.

Lower damage, but you can get more exp. Con is some people tell you white wing set is superior.

If you have problem with SP, you can replace shoes to temp boots with runaway magic and replace emerald ring to temp ring.

got a question for case 4,

if i replace diab wing with sera coro, does it still one shot big bell? and the BXB no enchant?

and just want to make sure, on case 4 that damage is without NL?

Edited by worldeditor95, 09 December 2019 - 11:16 PM.

[Yugacky]

got a question for case 4,

if i replace diab wing with sera coro, does it still one shot big bell? and the BXB no enchant?

and just want to make sure, on case 4 that damage is without NL?

 

If you have high INT seraphim coronet will do better.

My BxB has ea1/ea1 for this test. But, you should be fine without enchant if you have high enough refine rate.

 

Yes, all the test was done without NL. But, I used shield spell. If you can hit higher than about 170k without shield spell,

you shouldn't use shield spell. 

[worldeditor95]

If you have high INT seraphim coronet will do better.

My BxB has ea1/ea1 for this test. But, you should be fine without enchant if you have high enough refine rate.

 

Yes, all the test was done without NL. But, I used shield spell. If you can hit higher than about 170k without shield spell,

you shouldn't use shield spell. 

i see, thanks a lot for the info