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[jiggity]

What is optimal build for spamming? I have Old Driver Band and bought 3 Rock step cards and also in the process of getting 2 chips. How much Delay reduction do I need to spam? Is 2 supplemental chips enough? Is 193 aspd neccessary? Just need an idea of cost of equipment to determine if its worth it.

Edited by jiggity, 25 November 2019 - 06:42 AM.

[Guarocuya]

Hi, generally speaking, this is the order of importance to build your Mado end-game character:

1.  2x Supplemental Chips (use Gold Scaraba or Kafra Blossom cards) - Expensive OCP gear but it;s needed for instacast without sacrificing your stat build, plus it comes with a no mado fuel usage bonus and pleny of stat/ATK boosts.
2. Temporal DEX boots (Expert Archer is important as an enchant and Lucky Day or Bear's Power for the other enchant) - This is the second component of spamming. This needs you to have 120 DEX to essentially have 0 fixed casting time on your Mado skills. - Of note is that you can also use a highly refined slotted Temporal DEX boots, usually carded with Geffen Magic Tournament cards to hit harder and gain ASPD (Hyper Death, Odorico, Blut Hase, etc)
3. Then it's just a matter of how high your ASPD can reach and how fast you can spam the Arm Cannon button. Yes, 193 ASPD is needed to attain the maximum spam rate and no, you don't need 193 ASPD to spam AC at a fast rate.

 

Notes: Mado is still severely limited in iRO vs kRO. kRO has had a LOT of updates to Mado that we don't have, thus, our most essential native skill cannot be sued while riding a Mado (Adrenaline Rush) Once the cash shop opens again, on February, you should be able to get Adrenaline Rush scrolls (which do work - and this can put basically any Mado to 193 ASPD)

 

Else, use Bless + AGI Up (scrolls from cash shop or Party Hard Packs or skills from a Priest), +20 Food, +10 stats from Oda's Elixr, Enrich Celermine and Berserk Potion. If you prefer reducing your damage output but consistently reaching 193 ASPD without cash shop options, then use Imperial Feather set, put 120 AGI on your stats and go crazy (it's actually quite a good build - don't forget enchanting your Costume Garment with ASPD stone)

 

Regarding headgear, you NEED +10 or better Work Cap. The only way around it is using a Memory of Thanatos MVP card. If you can get that card, then the next step is getting a highly refined and properly enchanted Bio5 headgear. Else, go with the Work Cap. It's the easy way of getting 100% DEF piercing.

 

As for weapons, the best-in-slot is a highly refined Valkyrie Hammer. Due to how damage stacks work (specially from cards), 4x Rock Step cards is usually a common placement of cards but definitely sub-optimal. 2x Rock Steps, Minorous, Abysmal Knight can work. Also 3x. Rock Steps, Abysmal Knight too.

 

Another weapon, more helpful for attaining 193 ASPD, is a highly refined Pile Bunker S (with 2x Rock Steps) Red Twin Edge, if highly refined and enchant works to increase your damage potential, but ASPD drops immensely. A +14 Glorious Morning Star is also a possibility.

 

For garments, Deviling Etran's Undershirt is a wonderful option (you are a tank after all, and if properly built, can solo almost any MVP) If you want more speed, get a properly-enchanted Upgrade Parts - Engine by farming Charleston Crisis instance.

 

Shield-wise, pick from: Excelion shield, Mad Bunny Special, Gaia, Fotia, Anemos, Lian, Immune....or use several appropriately carded for the occasion. The top armor is, to take advantage of your build, high DEf and high HP, a highly refined Medical Scrubs. Else, Antonio's Coat of Escape also works. If not, then Upgrade Parts - Plate or Evil Dragon Armor.

 

If no using Imperial Set for middle-low headgears, go for Tengu set or Mob Scarf set. Don't use Sera set, no need in having so much INT for a Mado.

 

I haven't discussed MVP cards yet, but the above should serve as a good guide. If you want more info, ask away. Else, Divine-Pride forums is a very good source, or try watching kRO Mado videos on Youtube (you WILL be jealous since they use ALL Mastersmith skills while riding Mado)

 

 

 

Source: 175 Mado is my main and I've soloed practically every instance.

 

Edited by Guarocuya, 29 November 2019 - 05:02 AM.

[bielzinpk]

1. Temporal DEX boots (Expert Archer is important as an enchant and Lucky Day or Bear's Power for the other enchant) - This is the second component of spamming. This needs you to have 120 DEX to essentially have 0 fixed casting time on your Mado skills. - Of note is that you can also use a highly refined slotted Temporal DEX boots, usually carded with Geffen Magic Tournament cards to hit harder and gain ASPD (Hyper Death, Odorico, Blut Hase, etc)

 

Regarding headgear, you NEED +10 or better Work Cap. The only way around it is using a Memory of Thanatos MVP card. If you can get that card, then the next step is getting a highly refined and properly enchanted Bio5 headgear. Else, go with the Work Cap. It's the easy way of getting 100% DEF piercing.

 

About the boots, he can get the magic essence enchant on his bio5 helmet to remove the fixed cast and free up the 120 points that would be allocated to dex as an alternative and open up the slot for another boots, like Fluffy fish shoes to get 20% more delay reduction or any other interesting boot.

 

About Work Cap, Arm Cannon ignores DEF just like Cart Cannon, so a Work Cap isn't needed and a Thanatos card is an absolute waste on a Mado Mechanic.

 

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In my personal experience to be able to really spam Arm Cannon comfortably you need at least 90% of ACD reduction, which reduces the skill delay from 2 seconds to 0,2 seconds, making you able to spam it at 5 times per second if you have 190 ASPD. One build idea is getting ME on the Old Driver Band to cut the fix cast and then get a Upgrade Part - Engine +9 and Fluffy Fish Shoes + the 2 Supplemental Chips, which will reduce your ACD by 20% + 20% + 60% = 100% ACD reduction, or you can use New Wave Glasses instead of the boots to get 90%, etc etc.

[jiggity]

Thanks for the reply, this has cleared everything up for me. I may have to go 120 Dex/Agi, old driver has been a pain to enchant, if only I had kept my Fenrir card. Its good to know Mado has a bright future if we should get the KRo updates.

Edited by jiggity, 29 November 2019 - 07:26 AM.

[YongkySH]

Hi, generally speaking, this is the order of importance to build your Mado end-game character:

1.  2x Supplemental Chips (use Gold Scaraba or Kafra Blossom cards) - Expensive OCP gear but it;s needed for instacast without sacrificing your stat build, plus it comes with a no mado fuel usage bonus and pleny of stat/ATK boosts.
2. Temporal DEX boots (Expert Archer is important as an enchant and Lucky Day or Bear's Power for the other enchant) - This is the second component of spamming. This needs you to have 120 DEX to essentially have 0 fixed casting time on your Mado skills. - Of note is that you can also use a highly refined slotted Temporal DEX boots, usually carded with Geffen Magic Tournament cards to hit harder and gain ASPD (Hyper Death, Odorico, Blut Hase, etc)
3. Then it's just a matter of how high your ASPD can reach and how fast you can spam the Arm Cannon button. Yes, 193 ASPD is needed to attain the maximum spam rate and no, you don't need 193 ASPD to spam AC at a fast rate.

 

Notes: Mado is still severely limited in iRO vs kRO. kRO has had a LOT of updates to Mado that we don't have, thus, our most essential native skill cannot be sued while riding a Mado (Adrenaline Rush) Once the cash shop opens again, on February, you should be able to get Adrenaline Rush scrolls (which do work - and this can put basically any Mado to 193 ASPD)

 

Else, use Bless + AGI Up (scrolls from cash shop or Party Hard Packs or skills from a Priest), +20 Food, +10 stats from Oda's Elixr, Enrich Celermine and Berserk Potion. If you prefer reducing your damage output but consistently reaching 193 ASPD without cash shop options, then use Imperial Feather set, put 120 AGI on your stats and go crazy (it's actually quite a good build - don't forget enchanting your Costume Garment with ASPD stone)

 

Regarding headgear, you NEED +10 or better Work Cap. The only way around it is using a Memory of Thanatos MVP card. If you can get that card, then the next step is getting a highly refined and properly enchanted Bio5 headgear. Else, go with the Work Cap. It's the easy way of getting 100% DEF piercing.

 

As for weapons, the best-in-slot is a highly refined Valkyrie Hammer. Due to how damage stacks work (specially from cards), 4x Rock Step cards is usually a common placement of cards but definitely sub-optimal. 2x Rock Steps, Minorous, Abysmal Knight can work. Also 3x. Rock Steps, Abysmal Knight too.

 

Another weapon, more helpful for attaining 193 ASPD, is a highly refined Pile Bunker S (with 2x Rock Steps) Red Twin Edge, if highly refined and enchant works to increase your damage potential, but ASPD drops immensely. A +14 Glorious Morning Star is also a possibility.

 

For garments, Deviling Etran's Undershirt is a wonderful option (you are a tank after all, and if properly built, can solo almost any MVP) If you want more speed, get a properly-enchanted Upgrade Parts - Engine by farming Charleston Crisis instance.

 

Shield-wise, pick from: Excelion shield, Mad Bunny Special, Gaia, Fotia, Anemos, Lian, Immune....or use several appropriately carded for the occasion. The top armor is, to take advantage of your build, high DEf and high HP, a highly refined Medical Scrubs. Else, Antonio's Coat of Escape also works. If not, then Upgrade Parts - Plate or Evil Dragon Armor.

 

If no using Imperial Set for middle-low headgears, go for Tengu set or Mob Scarf set. Don't use Sera set, no need in having so much INT for a Mado.

 

I haven't discussed MVP cards yet, but the above should serve as a good guide. If you want more info, ask away. Else, Divine-Pride forums is a very good source, or try watching kRO Mado videos on Youtube (you WILL be jealous since they use ALL Mastersmith skills while riding Mado)

 

 

 

Source: 175 Mado is my main and I've soloed practically every instance.

 

can see your end game gear?
 

[jiggity]

can see your end game gear?
 

 

Probably something like this.

Edited by jiggity, 29 November 2019 - 10:30 AM.

[Guarocuya]

About the boots, he can get the magic essence enchant on his bio5 helmet to remove the fixed cast and free up the 120 points that would be allocated to dex as an alternative and open up the slot for another boots, like Fluffy fish shoes to get 20% more delay reduction or any other interesting boot.

 

About Work Cap, Arm Cannon ignores DEF just like Cart Cannon, so a Work Cap isn't needed and a Thanatos card is an absolute waste on a Mado Mechanic.

 

--------------

 

In my personal experience to be able to really spam Arm Cannon comfortably you need at least 90% of ACD reduction, which reduces the skill delay from 2 seconds to 0,2 seconds, making you able to spam it at 5 times per second if you have 190 ASPD. One build idea is getting ME on the Old Driver Band to cut the fix cast and then get a Upgrade Part - Engine +9 and Fluffy Fish Shoes + the 2 Supplemental Chips, which will reduce your ACD by 20% + 20% + 60% = 100% ACD reduction, or you can use New Wave Glasses instead of the boots to get 90%, etc etc.

 

Sorry to correct you there but Arm Cannon doesn't ignore DEF. It actually has 2 parts on its damage formula (unlike CC) That is why, a common tip for newbies is to "double convert/endow" yourself, i.e., if you are facing Holy enemies (say Valkyrie Randgris MVP) the optimal route is to use Dark Cannon Balls + Cursed Water together. Also Holy Cannon Balls + Aspersio vs shadow/demon/etc.

 

It does have the "asura-like" DEF reduction at the end of both parts of the damage formula but my testing has shown a noticeable difference when facing end-game mobs and MVPs. Now you are very correct regarding the ME enchant on Bio5 headgear BUT it does requite Magic Essence Lvl. 5 to obtain the same Fixed Cast Time reduction a Temporal DEX boot will give you at 120 DEX.

 

The gist of it all is that VCT + FCT must be reduced to 100% on Arm Cannon in order to spam it at your ASPD limit. 2x Supplemental Chips + Temporal DEX Boots is the most efficient way to do it. I personally use a +14 Bio5 ME lvl. 5 headgear and it feels great, but it is not easy at all to obtain.

 

Source: https://irowiki.org/wiki/Arm_Cannon

 

Thanks for the reply, this has cleared everything up for me. I may have to go 120 Dex/Agi, old driver has been a pain to enchant, if only I had kept my Fenrir card. Its good to know Mado has a bright future if we should get the KRo updates.

 

Indeed. But I will also be very honest, kRO had to NERF Mado since it was the most used class in WoE. Arm Cannon actually has 5 levels in kRO too! They also streamlined the AoE effect (it doesn't make sense as it is right now, meaning more AoE the LOWER skill lvl you use)

 

As it stands, we are still gimped by the clear lack of Black/Mastersmith skill usage. We barely got Greed not long ago, so there you have it.

 

WoE is very funny using a Suicide Mado also!

 

can see your end game gear?
 

 

Ill pm you a pic later.

 

Probably something like this.

 

Similar but I would never use Robes of any kind. No DEF and I like to solo instances. Etran's Undershirt (deviling) + change the cards on the Valk Hammer (no need for 4x Rock Step - see above) + Medical Scrubs (several for different uses) + Diabolus combo too (but needs Old Bio5 Headgear with ME lvl 5)

Edited by Guarocuya, 29 November 2019 - 02:01 PM.

[Guarocuya]

Thanks for the reply, this has cleared everything up for me. I may have to go 120 Dex/Agi, old driver has been a pain to enchant, if only I had kept my Fenrir card. Its good to know Mado has a bright future if we should get the KRo updates.

 

 

can see your end game gear?
 

 

 

A few mins ago, most buffs used, > 600k on every hit vs Beelze. Went down in 1 sec flat; couldn't transform. This is fully geared, highly refined everything and abusing the double-element quirk of Arm Cannon's damage formula (in this case using Soul Cannon Balls + proccing Pure White Marching hat on the Chonchon's on his floor then switching to a highly refined Bio5 Headgear + 193 ASPD spamming of Arm Cannon)

Edited by Guarocuya, 30 November 2019 - 09:47 PM.

[Johnny411]

Is there a way to hit 70% aftercast delay reduction with no Supplemental Chips? I only have 40% ACD reduction with Fluffy Fish Shoes & Part Engine and an Old Driver ME 3. Please help, I'm trying to make a decent playable Mado.

[NihonHikikomoriK]

Is there a way to hit 70% aftercast delay reduction with no Supplemental Chips? I only have 40% ACD reduction with Fluffy Fish Shoes & Part Engine and an Old Driver ME 3. Please help, I'm trying to make a decent playable Mado.

 

Blacksmith gloves 10 ACD 50% def bypass can wear 2

Medical Scrubs 10 ACD

New Wave glasses 10 ACD

[Johnny411]

Blacksmith gloves 10 ACD 50% def bypass can wear 2

Medical Scrubs 10 ACD

New Wave glasses 10 ACD

 

Thank you kind Sir!
 

[Ultimate]

Hi, generally speaking, this is the order of importance to build your Mado end-game character:

• 2x Supplemental Chips (use Gold Scaraba or Kafra Blossom cards) - Expensive OCP gear but it;s needed for instacast without sacrificing your stat build, plus it comes with a no mado fuel usage bonus and pleny of stat/ATK boosts.
• Temporal DEX boots (Expert Archer is important as an enchant and Lucky Day or Bear's Power for the other enchant) - This is the second component of spamming. This needs you to have 120 DEX to essentially have 0 fixed casting time on your Mado skills. - Of note is that you can also use a highly refined slotted Temporal DEX boots, usually carded with Geffen Magic Tournament cards to hit harder and gain ASPD (Hyper Death, Odorico, Blut Hase, etc)
• Then it's just a matter of how high your ASPD can reach and how fast you can spam the Arm Cannon button. Yes, 193 ASPD is needed to attain the maximum spam rate and no, you don't need 193 ASPD to spam AC at a fast rate.

Notes: Mado is still severely limited in iRO vs kRO. kRO has had a LOT of updates to Mado that we don't have, thus, our most essential native skill cannot be sued while riding a Mado (Adrenaline Rush) Once the cash shop opens again, on February, you should be able to get Adrenaline Rush scrolls (which do work - and this can put basically any Mado to 193 ASPD)

Else, use Bless + AGI Up (scrolls from cash shop or Party Hard Packs or skills from a Priest), +20 Food, +10 stats from Oda's Elixr, Enrich Celermine and Berserk Potion. If you prefer reducing your damage output but consistently reaching 193 ASPD without cash shop options, then use Imperial Feather set, put 120 AGI on your stats and go crazy (it's actually quite a good build - don't forget enchanting your Costume Garment with ASPD stone)

Regarding headgear, you NEED +10 or better Work Cap. The only way around it is using a Memory of Thanatos MVP card. If you can get that card, then the next step is getting a highly refined and properly enchanted Bio5 headgear. Else, go with the Work Cap. It's the easy way of getting 100% DEF piercing.

As for weapons, the best-in-slot is a highly refined Valkyrie Hammer. Due to how damage stacks work (specially from cards), 4x Rock Step cards is usually a common placement of cards but definitely sub-optimal. 2x Rock Steps, Minorous, Abysmal Knight can work. Also 3x. Rock Steps, Abysmal Knight too.

Another weapon, more helpful for attaining 193 ASPD, is a highly refined Pile Bunker S (with 2x Rock Steps) Red Twin Edge, if highly refined and enchant works to increase your damage potential, but ASPD drops immensely. A +14 Glorious Morning Star is also a possibility.

For garments, Deviling Etran's Undershirt is a wonderful option (you are a tank after all, and if properly built, can solo almost any MVP) If you want more speed, get a properly-enchanted Upgrade Parts - Engine by farming Charleston Crisis instance.

Shield-wise, pick from: Excelion shield, Mad Bunny Special, Gaia, Fotia, Anemos, Lian, Immune....or use several appropriately carded for the occasion. The top armor is, to take advantage of your build, high DEf and high HP, a highly refined Medical Scrubs. Else, Antonio's Coat of Escape also works. If not, then Upgrade Parts - Plate or Evil Dragon Armor.

If no using Imperial Set for middle-low headgears, go for Tengu set or Mob Scarf set. Don't use Sera set, no need in having so much INT for a Mado.

I haven't discussed MVP cards yet, but the above should serve as a good guide. If you want more info, ask away. Else, Divine-Pride forums is a very good source, or try watching kRO Mado videos on Youtube (you WILL be jealous since they use ALL Mastersmith skills while riding Mado)



Source: 175 Mado is my main and I've soloed practically every instance.

Hey there. Would you be able to provide your stat and skills? I was a HSCR/suicide mech for mvp/woe years ago and I've just regeared and am aiming to make my mech useful again

I've got abusive robe with tao, GTB with excelion, DR with etran...not sure what room is left for ocp mech gears. Jupiter ring, temporal ring, blacksmith glove, perverse demon mask, work hat, pharaoh sun glasses and mob scarf. What am I missing??

I figure I'll wait for 17.1 for the illusion axe one handed [2] and use my pile bunker HSCR build for now

[hammie]

nvm

Edited by hammie, 14 March 2020 - 03:15 PM.

[Ultimate]

Would you all say liberation+physical shadow set +10 all around? For best overall hp increase, attack speed and mvping?

[hammie]

Not an expert but it should be good all around. You can also get a costume garment with 1+aspd if you need aspd or enchant one yourself. The aspd stones are fairly cheap now

Edited by hammie, 15 March 2020 - 04:59 PM.

[Ultimate]

Not an expert but it should be good all around. You can also get a costume garment with 1+aspd if you need aspd or enchant one yourself. The aspd stones are fairly cheap now

Ahh is that why everyone is pming me for costumes

[hammie]

Probably haha.
https://irowiki.org/...ostume_Enchants

[Ultimate]

Probably haha.
https://irowiki.org/...ostume_Enchants

I feel like this is just another layer of -_- I don't care to learn about lol. At first malango enchants was enough. Then FAW enchants. Then shadow gear...now costumes.

Bottom line: what are the two end game costumes I shouldn't give away for free and what's the game breaking enchant I need on em

[jimkee]

Hows the prop you can acheive 193 ASPD without sacrifice damage..

[Dreamo]

hey guys, just wondering..

 

would it be enough with 185 aspd to spam arm cannon?

 

i've remake my mechanic previously due to the fact that once he reaches lvl 120ish... axe tornado was hardly helpful to lvl... but that was 8-9 years ago i think? been playing my genetic and i'm currently happy with him...

 

just that seeing less mechanic makes me more intriguing to play this underdog and expensive job..

 

regarding my question earlier about the aspd.. i tried with 120 dex agi, 70 int vit str.. the lvl would be 159 and without any vip and chips, i managed to get 185 aspd (using the old iW Stat Simulator) with the build and the following buffs / bonus

 

-berserk pot

-costume garment: aspd +1 enchant

-celermine juice

 

is it possible to get more aspd / arm cannon spamming power with such low capital? my eq as mechanic in future would be +7 PB (the old original PB x_X), PDM, temp dex BP EA4..

 

and would it possible other mado build share their stats as well in here or PM me the details? i'm working my ass off for this mado cause never thought that i miss playing the old crazy smith i used to be back in those days xD