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#1 Greggernaut

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Posted 11 January 2020 - 02:32 PM

Name of item/skill/NPC with issue: Grand Cross

 

Type of Issue (choose): Function

 

Describe the issue: Grand Cross skill damage to self is not reduced by demi-human/holy reduction equipment correctly. This makes Grand Cross unplayable at the moment as I will always take 30+% of my life per cast no matter what gears I have. Please fix this or reset my skills/stats so I can pick a non-bugged skill build.

 

​Screenshots/replay of issue (if applicable): https://ibb.co/NWPnxDZ

 


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#2 Greggernaut

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Posted 16 January 2020 - 12:48 PM

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Posted 16 January 2020 - 07:26 PM

Possibly due to how the formula behaves under Renewal settings. I'd wait for someone with better formula knowledge to post, you may also check on fan iRO Wiki discord for formula discussions.


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#4 Greggernaut

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Posted 16 January 2020 - 10:26 PM

Hmm, well I tried looking for some information on grand cross and I will just copy and paste the formula description from [Removed] since it was the one place I could find formula information on the skill.


 

Do 3 holy element, cross shaped, splash attacks with the area of effect centered on yourself.
Enemies of Undead property and Demon family type will be blinded (but not players). Damage is (100+40*SkillLV)%*(ATK+MATK)*holy_property_fix per hit, where:
- ATK is the damage that you would cause to the monster using a normal (neutral property) attack (Masteries don't cont, weapon cards that increase ATK or STR work but cards that gives % more damage do NOT)
- MATK is the damage that you would cause to the monster using a neutral property spell (and this value CAN BE negative, like when a mob that has higher INT than your MATK, cards/weapons that add additional INT work)
During the cast process your defense will be reduced by 1/3. After casting is finished, you will receive 20% of current HP+([(100+40*SkillLV)%*(ATK+MATK)]/2)*holy_property_fix damage per hit yourself, where:
- ATK is the damage that you would cause to YOURSELF using a normal attack (Thara Frog Card works and decrease damage. The '20% of current HP' rant can NOT be avoided or reduced!)
- MATK is the damage that you would cause to YOURSELF using a neutral property spell
Damage (on yourself) is reduced TWICE - first because of 'half damage to yourself', second because of the Faith skill (that reduces holy damage by half) so players actually get 1/4 damage.
You may not change the equipped shield while you cast this spell. Casting can not be interrupted and the damage ignores size modifications. Do 3 holy element, cross shaped, splash attacks with the area of effect centered on yourself.
 

 

Currently both Thara Frog and Faith seem to do nothing to reduce the damage you deal to yourself from the Grand Cross skill. From the picture I linked you can clearly see that I take the same damage with or without a Thara Frog card. Unless [Removed] is wrong and it could be but it seemed to be the only place I could find this much forumla info on the skill, then Grand Cross is currently bugged.


Edited by VModCinnamon, 17 January 2020 - 12:43 AM.
Mod Edit: Removed, RMS.

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 12:45 AM

Ah, please do not use that website. I omitted the name :)

We also do not allow linking to the website here as it is in most of the cases not accurate and relate to illegal servers.

 

For Grand Cross under Renewal settings, check iRO wiki fanmade page here:
https://irowiki.org/wiki/Grand_Cross

 

If things do not add up let us know.


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#6 Jeneeus

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 01:22 AM

As far as I have experienced, I can confirm that Holy resistances won't work, not sure for demi-human reductions (specially in your Screenshot that the damage was reduced by ~50 damage wearing Thara Card.

 

And based on one of the statements you gave, Holy resistances might not really worked...

 

- MATK is the damage that you would cause to YOURSELF using a neutral property spell

Damage (on yourself) is reduced TWICE - first because of 'half damage to yourself', second because of the Faith skill (that reduces holy damage by half) so players actually get 1/4 damage.

 

Also, when the skill re-balance arrived, most of the effects will be changed to:

  • Reduces fixed casting time from 1.5 second to 0.5 second.
  • Reduces variable casting time from 1.5 second to 1 second.
  • Reduces delay after skill from 1.5 second to 0.5 second.
  • Adds 1 seconds cooldown.
  • Self damage is removed (HP cost on casting still remains).

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#7 Greggernaut

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 05:14 PM

Jeneeus I took 50 more damage because I no longer had a shield on, so I lost def, not because of the thara frog card which would have prevented much more than 50 damage when I lost 3.5kish hp. The damage you deal to yourself is holy property, thus holy reduction is supposed to prevent the damage. 

 

"you will receive 20% of current HP+([(100+40*SkillLV)%*(ATK+MATK)]/2)*HOLY_property_fix damage per hit yourself. AND. Damage (on yourself) is reduced TWICE - first because of 'half damage to yourself', second because of the Faith skill (that reduces holy damage by half) so players actually get 1/4 damage."

 

 

Also VMOD the website you linked doesn't have any formula information on how the skill is supposed to work/how the damage calculation is supposed to work. I have provided both a formula and a screenshot that the skill is not working correctly. I'm not trying to be rude but you have only linked me to fan pages with little to no information on the topic while I have provided both screenshots and an actual formula (If you disagree with the formula because it isn't from a website you agree with can you please provide one with an actual formula with how the skill works).

 

 

Can you please provide some information on if the skill is either bugged, not bugged, or currently being looked into. Thank you.


Edited by Greggernaut, 17 January 2020 - 05:15 PM.

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#8 Ashuckel

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Posted 17 January 2020 - 06:32 PM

it's not bugged

it just works really weird.

the backlash damage aside the 20% drain, depends on your weapon, and bypasses damage reduction checks other than flat def/mdef reductions. It doesn't bypass elemental check so wearing an armor of the element of your weapon will reduce the damage, or holy will prevent it completely as the skill get's converted to holy.


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Posted 17 January 2020 - 07:18 PM

Jeneeus I took 50 more damage because I no longer had a shield on, so I lost def, not because of the thara frog card which would have prevented much more than 50 damage when I lost 3.5kish hp. The damage you deal to yourself is holy property, thus holy reduction is supposed to prevent the damage. 

 

"you will receive 20% of current HP+([(100+40*SkillLV)%*(ATK+MATK)]/2)*HOLY_property_fix damage per hit yourself. AND. Damage (on yourself) is reduced TWICE - first because of 'half damage to yourself', second because of the Faith skill (that reduces holy damage by half) so players actually get 1/4 damage."

 

 

Also VMOD the website you linked doesn't have any formula information on how the skill is supposed to work/how the damage calculation is supposed to work. I have provided both a formula and a screenshot that the skill is not working correctly. I'm not trying to be rude but you have only linked me to fan pages with little to no information on the topic while I have provided both screenshots and an actual formula (If you disagree with the formula because it isn't from a website you agree with can you please provide one with an actual formula with how the skill works).

 

 

Can you please provide some information on if the skill is either bugged, not bugged, or currently being looked into. Thank you.

 

I completely forgot to account the shield's defense itself. It really seems that both Holy and Racial damage are ignored, like the one above me said. I even tried a 50+% Holy Reduction Gear but still getting almost the same damage. That I'm sure for the element, 100%. Both tried in iRO, pRO, and some private servers I played before the skill rebalance update, still the same.


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