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[UrsineSleeper]

What International Ragnarok Online obviously has a need for is returning payers players. I personally have just come back after a lengthy 2-3 year hiatus. Well... I'm wishing I very well hadn't. Things have gotten worse since then, not better. It's untenable. There are a plethora of bugs and a paucity of improvements to warrant it. Certainly, complications with performances and the introduction of bugs is an inevitability, that's reality. I feel, however, that there are more than should be warranted. If only we could stop there, I'm afraid we are faced with more pressing issues: The services we're not being provided and damages the community has sustained.

 

With the controversial implementation of Easy Anti-Cheat thrust upon us; we were expected to be rewarded, at least, with mitigated cases of botting and cheating. EAC serving as a deterrent. They; the botters and cheaters, are evidently still present and seemingly unfettered. The other day *legitimate* players were unable to play the game for more than a few minutes at a time. There was a panic both figurative and literal. Fingers were pointed and if there were any legitimate players whom were blessedly able to stay logged in, they were facing accusations of botting.

 

Due to EAC--and possibly other factors--We the players have been deprived of benign programs that have served to let players HELP other players. The community is reeling from the loss of Ragial--ROPD to a lesser extent--and Dr. Azzy's AI for homunculi and mercenaries. We were left with an alternative for one that leaves a lot to be desired. As for the others? Naught. 

 

EAC has been costly. Some players are unable to play if they are not using a Windows OS. I will not fault Gravity for this, this is a problem with the ones that made EAC and continue to maintain it. Players are also having trouble with running the game on older or economic systems. Where they used to be able to run the client just fine.

 

To further impact the players' enjoyment of iRO, there have been arbitrary changes to a system that had been doing fine. One that is supposed to generate a considerable sum of revenue. The VIP service. We're wanting for the old service, which has been suspended indefinitely. Some players still have time left on their accounts, lucky! Myself and others? Not a single minute. We are the guinea pigs for the newer VIP program. Thus far, we can only buy time in the new, item-based service in increments of 10 days, 240 hours.

 

This new program has left players confused on what it offers and what it does not. The chat window does not reflect any changes, only new buff status icons on the right side of the screen. The developers have been asked repeatedly for clarifications on what the new service offers. It's harder than it needs to be to figure out what has willfully been removed and what is bugged. Truth be told, I am fatigued and do not currently feel up to task on compiling a list. I apologize profusely.

 

I will tarry no longer and get to the point. We, the customers and (mostly) devoted fans of the old MMORPG Ragnarok Online, feel like we aren't being given the amount of dialogue we want with the iRO developers. We aren't currently being given compensation--or an idea on what compensation could be provided--and our service seems to have been downgraded with no improvement in sight, nor an accurate ETA given. Should we organize a boycott of Warp Portal Energy, Kafra Points, and hold off on in-game microtransactions? Voting with our wallets is always an option and there should be no shame attributed to those who choose to do so.

[bearl]

Gotto start the server off right. Ro.T

EAC has to stay. at least for Ro.T
As for Renewal it's already rotten. EAC presence or not wouldn't matter.

Apparently both Ro.T & Renewal are running on the same EAC Script. WP might have clinch a 1 for 1 Deal.

what EAC has done. thats EAC to blame. Warpportal share some responsiblity but not to blame.
whereas what Warportal promise over the 2 months and constantly failing to deliver, that another story.
 

should seperate the matter. 

Edited by bearl, 13 February 2020 - 07:14 AM.

[ninJedi]

-just gonna fire some shots, if that's ok with you?
(Jk i'll fire them anyway : p)


About the recent Panic error and "Bots" staying online:
If you didn't click the Panic button, your client wouldn't be closed immediately.
So players that were afk during the entire duration of the incident were still counted as "online".

Parts of Homunculi AI still function.
The only problem is that Homunculi won't seek targets on their own anymore.
And the cause for it is completely unrelated to EAC.
This was a change kRO made on their servers likely to prevent afk play, and it already spent quite an amount of time with them before inevitably arriving here. (Yes, kRO also recieved massive backlash from their chemists community)
Mercenary AI still works fine.

Ragial was nice, but in my opinion, it's also the reason why iRO hasn't gone ahead and made their own official version. If iRO didn't rely on a 3rd party fan-made site to begin with, we might have already had our own already.
But we do know it's possible. kRO have their own afterall. Atleast they have more reason to do it now.

Yes, EAC has been a pain in the neck to deal with on low-end pcs. But that's always how it is when all programs update, they inevitably get bulkier and heavier to run.

The new item-based vip was announced a long time ago already. It has just been newly implemented which is why it seems so bare and incomplete.
If you think about it properly, web-based VIP and item-based VIP probably isn't meant to co-exist, which is why the old version had to go.
They're already considering versions that last more than 10+ days, but that should come after they finish polishing it up.

In my honest opinion, boycott's are usually pointless, unless that company definitely deserved it (I'm looking at you, W--craft: Reforged >:/ ). But it's never a good idea to go and do large drastic things so suddenly.

Sure there might have been some stupid decisions and wrong turns made recently, but iRO really is trying to improve. Some things just take a lot of time, which is unfortunate.

Edited by ninJedi, 13 February 2020 - 07:48 AM.

[UrsineSleeper]

-just gonna fire some shots, if that's ok with you?
(Jk i'll fire them anyway : p)

 

I do hear you, I'm still very annoyed. I have character slots I can't free up right now and I miss my VIP features. It's not fun at all. I really miss the old bounty boards allowing me to get more merit badges and choose how I get my EXP. I just made a Wizard and I'm having to come up with new plans on where to level.

[Zelnite]

What are the differences in the new ViP and the old VIP? is this for renewal or RT? or both?

[bearl]

What are the differences in the new ViP and the old VIP? is this for renewal or RT? or both?

 

^VIP now in renewal 
+7 all stats VIP Buff in Eden
TI allows you to choose exp to allocate.
Nothing else AFAIK 
 

i dont know about Ro.T
 

[ninJedi]

I do hear you, I'm still very annoyed.

I'm not against anyone showing how they feel or expressing any disatisfaction. You have all the right to do so...
I Just came to expose some inconsistencies on a few things


Some npc's (Bounty Boards included) not detecting the new item-based vip is one of the bugs they said they're planning on tackling during maintenance later.

(we might need to remind them tho)

Edited by ninJedi, 13 February 2020 - 08:00 AM.

[aTID2]

VIP is bug and not intended.

 

EAC is already here, Its good with bot (not 100%). Don't talk about ragial and ropd. It isn't official so It non-sense to talking about it.

 

Panic bug is stupid that they put "Nospam" in game so no one can see the RMT zeny seller. But didn't test on EAC 

(Just remove it, it doesn't effect your game.Doesn't make you get ban)

https://forums.warpp...onfig-template/
 

[DDQuidam]

For the last time, EAC has nothing to do with RO running so -_-ty nor for the false positives/errors, that's WPs implementation of it on their ancient executable, so yeah, EAC is here to stay and with good reason, if only WP could actually fix "their" game...

 

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Yes, EAC has been a pain in the neck to deal with on low-end pcs. But that's always how it is when all programs update, they inevitably get bulkier and heavier to run.

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Sure there might have been some stupid decisions and wrong turns made recently, but iRO really is trying to improve. Some things just take a lot of time, which is unfortunate.

It's like you have no idea how RO works after decades of playing it. While they do small updates to the executable, the game itself works the same as it always have, loading data from the GRF files, so wether it loads one sprite or another doesn't really matter, which means the game practically runs the same as 10+ years ago; main reason why WP haven't really updated the hardware requirements:

 

• RECOMMENDED:
  • OS: Windows 7
  • Processor: Pentium Dual Core or Better
  • Memory: 2 GB RAM
  • Graphics: Nvidia GeForce 8000 or better
  • DirectX: Version 8.1
  • Network: Broadband Internet connection
  • Storage: 3 GB available space
  • Sound Card: DirectSound (or compatible with 3D Sound Effect Support)

 

I really doubt ppl are playing with worst cpus than that one, as even the cheapest laptop/pc today will be miles better than the recommended. The real problem is that the (ancient) executable files for RO are still for 32 bit Windows XP, specifically for 2 cores, so having more means nothing as RO won't be able to use them and in fact seems to be detrimental as the executable was simply not made for modern cpus/PCs.

 

And as you've been doing in every thread on the forums, you keep being apologetic to the WP staff while they've been at it for 10+ years trying to "improve" and this is where that led us, it doesn't help anybody but WP when the community do damage control for them, and yes, boycotts do work and everybody should do start doint it bc again, this is not suddenly at all. Stop spinning this delusional narrative that WP have done nothing wrong.

[IDCAA]

I will here copy and paste a post I've made in another thread. I agree.

 

" In my honest opinion:

 

The way these new servers is created are insufferable. It's beyond me why when beginning a new server, they have to start in an episode that is way in the past. Npcs, quests and other mechanics not implemented as if to communicate this game has not been growing since its original 2002 launch. They advertise a service (as this is what this is) yet there are constant outages, broken mechanics for established game systems and an almost deafening silence in the way of information communication of what exactly they plan to do with the server(even on its website). Information is inaccurate, missing or just misleading; making you think one thing when the opposite is (might be?) true. 

 

In my understanding, a service is not released until ALL systems are in working order and ready for the public. This is not to say every episode is to be released all at once(i.e 3rd jobs [which I will shortly address])), but seriously? We still have old Izlude? There seems to be a picking and choosing of what will be released (mounts, costumes as an example) over others. It all makes no sense. Though it was stated that "RT will not be a 1-1" copy of kRo's Zero, I believe that is what a lot of people expect. People play on this server because many of us, if not all, who have been playing this game for years and are extremely anticipating the new skill balances, want to see them in our region. These changes should be already up and working for everyone to play. Scarcely do I believe the majority are here for just another reboot, as has been seen in previous server releases of iRO; which, as I am reading, went no where..

 

Get the updates out quickly, and very quickly. People now live adult lives. No one has the time nor patience (given the years Zero and its changes has been out) to wait month for updates to come out that should have already been implemented to meet their anticipations. Being "a business," as some people might here onward aim to think, is not merely the pursuit of profit at the expense of the ignorant or those lacking influence (customers) to demand an agreeable service. Many play because—well, they are trapped. They like the game and are in most cases addicted and have no other way to qualm the urge to play their favorite game, as it promises changes that they would like to experience outside the need to: be a korean resident or on servers, though having the skill balance changes, also come with much unwanted server additions and systems that make null other aspects of the game.

 

 

3rd Jobs

 

I cannot be the only one that finds these a great mistake in RO's history. What sense did it make to have class extensions that completely made of no affect older class mechanics and skills? With many 3rd jobs there is no need of the older fundamental skills.There is little or no skill synergy with them and it pretty much completely changed the way the game was played. Everyone just finds what does the most Are-of-Effect damage in the fastest time and ran with it; as now, the game's meta is to mob kill monsters. 3rd jobs broke the game. The changes that kRO's Zero has made has breathed new life into skills (and I hope many others to come also) that people have for years been hoping they would see. Were 3rd jobs to be released, all that would be of no affect. Unless they either remove, change or do something with 3rd jobs, the game will see little point in anything before 3rd jobs, save passives and quality of life skills, which aren't really even needed if the intended point is to just blast down your opponents as quickly, and as many as possible.

 

I am more than a bit appalled by the sheer seeming listless approach to this server's launch. These updates need to come sooner rather than later. And by sooner I am talking weeks; not months. In my opinion many of these should have already been released. For those having trouble seeing why this is an irritant or a complete backwards way of releasing a game that has been established for many years now, picture a new release of Windows, Apple OS or any mobile platform: Imagine every new release required that you began from Windows 3, 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP, Vista..etc, over a few months before we got to the now Windows 10 which saw an improvement of a few subsystems. Now, imagine this happening every time they decided to make new improvements or release a new edition, AND YOU HAD TO PAY FOR IT. I don't think it takes a great stretch of the imagination to see that that would not go over too well with customers of a product or 'service.'

 

Now I understand that this may or may not be beta. Another thing that seems to be EXTREMELY unclear. I've read an update post that stated "Official launch;" in the real world, that would mean out of beta testing. And with the ability to purchase Kafra points and services, that more than solidifies that fact. This is in a preemptive response to anyone that may think to say we are in beta; as I've seen this else where.

 

Thanks. "

 

 

[Morning12345]

I haven't play for days. RT or Renewal, why? Because the support is simply terrible. A lot of issues not even address. There is nothing to do on RT but boring grind and WoE doesn't have any substantial reward for the casual player.

 

Now, about renewal, I dual a Knight and Priest, got both up to 40s now I don't see how I can keep going with such a ridiculous economy. Someone gave me some free gears and I appreciate it but it's nowhere compare to the stuff that are being vended.

 

There is no way I can get any of those which cost 200million zeny to 2billion! That's insane for any new player. And the daily rewards are not useful at all. If there was some daily rewards for new players to get actual useful gear then I might continue playing.

 

VIP isn't good either as lots of people have pointed out. Last, most importantly is the EAC, this was suppose to prevent bots, but we've all witness how that goes. Bots are everywhere in RT now, so, what is even the point in continuing? Playing on a botted economy is not fun at all.

[scraps345]

I haven't play for days. RT or Renewal, why? Because the support is simply terrible. A lot of issues not even address. There is nothing to do on RT but boring grind and WoE doesn't have any substantial reward for the casual player.

 

Now, about renewal, I dual a Knight and Priest, got both up to 40s now I don't see how I can keep going with such a ridiculous economy. Someone gave me some free gears and I appreciate it but it's nowhere compare to the stuff that are being vended.

 

There is no way I can get any of those which cost 200million zeny to 2billion! That's insane for any new player. And the daily rewards are not useful at all. If there was some daily rewards for new players to get actual useful gear then I might continue playing.

 

VIP isn't good either as lots of people have pointed out. Last, most importantly is the EAC, this was suppose to prevent bots, but we've all witness how that goes. Bots are everywhere in RT now, so, what is even the point in continuing? Playing on a botted economy is not fun at all.

You don't really need those millions of zeny gear, just do eden quests, the gear they provide for new players is amazing and will last you until you reach lv 100s. 

[ninJedi]

For the last time, EAC has nothing to do with RO running so -_-ty nor for the false positives/errors, that's WPs implementation of it on their ancient executable, so yeah, EAC is here to stay and with good reason, if only WP could actually fix "their" game...

It's like you have no idea how RO works after decades of playing it. While they do small updates to the executable, the game itself works the same as it always have, loading data from the GRF files, so wether it loads one sprite or another doesn't really matter, which means the game practically runs the same as 10+ years ago; main reason why WP haven't really updated the hardware requirements:

• RECOMMENDED:
• OS: Windows 7
• Processor: Pentium Dual Core or Better
• Memory: 2 GB RAM
• Graphics: Nvidia GeForce 8000 or better
• DirectX: Version 8.1
• Network: Broadband Internet connection
• Storage: 3 GB available space
• Sound Card: DirectSound (or compatible with 3D Sound Effect Support)

I really doubt ppl are playing with worst cpus than that one, as even the cheapest laptop/pc today will be miles better than the recommended. The real problem is that the (ancient) executable files for RO are still for 32 bit Windows XP, specifically for 2 cores, so having more means nothing as RO won't be able to use them and in fact seems to be detrimental as the executable was simply not made for modern cpus/PCs.

And as you've been doing in every thread on the forums, you keep being apologetic to the WP staff while they've been at it for 10+ years trying to "improve" and this is where that led us, it doesn't help anybody but WP when the community do damage control for them, and yes, boycotts do work and everybody should do start doint it bc again, this is not suddenly at all. Stop spinning this delusional narrative that WP have done nothing wrong.

Oh then that's good, WP just needs to do a better job at implementing EAC, then. And hopefully they'll get a better and more efficient executable released soon (which I'm guessing needs to be sent from the studio again too)
Thanks for explaining.

Why exactly are you following me around 'all the threads' though ._.

Progress is still progress the way I see it, I'd rather go at a snail's pace than not move at all. You don't have to agree with me, but you also should stop holding on to the notion that nothing's changed after all this time.

Yeah, damage control's such a bother to do. But if that's what's keeping other players from quitting, then why the hecc not. You wanna sit around and watch as numbers go down again? Be my guest.

Where did you come up with this dumb idea that I think nothing is WP's fault though?
You think with all these bugs and unfinished -_- flying around, nobody would notice?
I'm just as disappointed with the results of the 2-month hiatus and half-assed launches/relaunches as everyone is. I just don't see the point in speaking it out and repeating what everyone else is already saying. Am I supposed to be making daily rant threads repeating the same -_- over and over just like everyone else? There is just a point where any additional ranting doesn't actually get things done faster

[Ashuckel]

you should boycot them on the simple fact that there was a lot of value lost with the current VIP system.
They reverted the rate bonuses back to the old values, the "additions" are totally not worth that loss, and it is straight up less value to buy wpe now, since the VIP+KP deals don't exist anymore. (that alone is like a ~40% value loss already, on the 1month option)

[nyyaan]

I don’t know which is sadder; people who wanna play iRO but can’t log in to EAC for whatever reasons or people who have no problems logging in after the EAC implementation but don’t want to play iRO.

I think it’s time for you to move on to RoT. My personally rough presumptive explanation on the VIP change is that Chaos isn’t generating money anymore. Last WoE whales quit. No WoE means no economy. PvM folks can farm all they want but no buyers. We also don’t get new OCPs. People are leaving, etc. Old VIP was also way too cheap too, imo. Hence this new VIP is meant to try to make last sum of revenue from the remaining Chaos players.

kRO doesn’t care about iRO. We are some cheap server. I heard that there is a new RO server open in Taiwan and that much younger sever is so closely updated to kRO. Soon it seems like Gravity itself will run a new RO server in Thailand too. I know many Thai RO enthusiasts are very heavy spenders. We will see whether this new thRO will also be closely updated to kRO or not.

Meanwhile my suggestion to you? Move on. Time to start over in RoT. iRO probably doesn’t need new contents. They can reuse all contents that they currently have as long as they keep WoE in RoT alive to keep the server running. Over all, even iRO is meh, we are lucky enough to play iRO for free.

Edited by nyyaan, 13 February 2020 - 02:06 PM.

[Hakobune]

I don't think a boycott is even necessary at this point. iRo has been on a steady decline for years and it's long since reached a point where no matter how hard they try to improve things it's just not going to save the game.

[LordYggdrasill]

Well I want the old 30 days VIP + 1.5k KP back, not sure if this is hard for WP.

[rdoc3]

what EAC has done. thats EAC to blame. Warpportal share some responsiblity but not to blame.

 

[Talking about bots] Actually, Warpportal can ban bots using some simple business intelligence procedures and data analysis (almost instantly, based on account profile, rules based scores (like an anti fraud system) and account+characters patterns). It doesn't need to be a full automatic system, it can be a human +0 machine process to avoid false positives. 

 

They just choose not to do it.

 

And for those that will come here and say "it's not simple", another strategy is to just hire someone to work 8 hours per day banning bots, like a regular job. 

 

This game generate a lot of money. You have enough money to hire 50 people to ban bots if you want, and still get thousands and thousand of profit.

 

Again, they just choose not to. It's not their interest. Simple like that.

 

We just have to deal with it and play a game that 1 guy makes 3 times zeny in couple days than you ever made since the beginning. Oh, and the best of it: they make this amount of zeny WHILE THEY ARE ASLEEP !!!! 

 

Awesome!

Edited by rdoc3, 13 February 2020 - 08:07 PM.

[WolfTri]

you should boycot them on the simple fact that there was a lot of value lost with the current VIP system.
They reverted the rate bonuses back to the old values, the "additions" are totally not worth that loss, and it is straight up less value to buy wpe now, since the VIP+KP deals don't exist anymore. (that alone is like a ~40% value loss already, on the 1month option)

On top of that half the intended functionality is bugged, with new updates fixing some and breaking others that were working fine before. It's a joke of an overhaul and looks like their retirement plan after OCPs stopped being a thing.
I personally was looking forward to making a new character, which would mean VIP for a few weeks and plenty of play time, but seeing the direction the VIP system is going + how buggy it's been, and how late the bugs get fixed, I'm going to have to reconsider and stay away from RO. This buggy mess is not worth the several hours of time investment, and definitely not more money for an objectively worse product after taking 2 months of downtime for "improvement".

[Asukirin]

ill already Boycott Ragnarok Onlline for 4 years now count me out.


the only people who affected in the new updated are the one that do not have family and who have RMT business in RO. 

[lorenz1375]

ill already Boycott Ragnarok Onlline for 4 years now count me out.


the only people who affected in the new updated are the one that do not have family and who have RMT business in RO.

My potato netbook is affected, it isnt RMT and I do have family

Dont generalize too much lol