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[EdwardEG]

For good Pike it's very recommended to get a 55-60 atk (that's equivalent to 2 zipper bear cards). You can't deal high damage if your base weapon is too low. But i do understand one good thing for using one-handed spear is better so that you can equip Shield (Thara) to avoid receiving huge damage from Raydrics.

 

. P.s i just got a pike 30hit 2 str 15% neutral for 200k so check the board they are dirt cheap.

 

Well, because +30 hit pike is less valuable than a 55-60 atk pikes. But keep on checking boards. some are desperately selling pikes for too cheap to gain quick Zeny

 

Also, it's not necessary to reach 409 hit to kill raydrics. You can still hit even with 390+ HIT rate with only few times chances to miss will happen. i know it's annoying renewal giving terrible hit rates but there are other attributes that you should focus other than increasing hit rate too much.

[joytilak]

My Dex is 54+6 max and Str is 92+8.  Hit is 335 without buffs/gears.

 

I am not sure what the skills formulas are. Its very confusing. I am just looking for a 1 handed pike with which I can 1 shot Raydrics and Abysmal Knights with Brandish Spear with the above stats. I am very confused now on what to go for. 

 

I think I will need to go for a pike with high hit and my stats don't give me enough of it. 

 

I tried farming in orc dungeon but couldn't get a single pike. Are wormtails good for pikes with high hit and etc?

 

 

I am very thankful to you guys for your replies and suggestions so far. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Xsansao]

My Dex is 54+6 max and Str is 92+8.  Hit is 335 without buffs/gears.

 

I am not sure what the skills formulas are. Its very confusing. I am just looking for a 1 handed pike with which I can 1 shot Raydrics and Abysmal Knights with Brandish Spear with the above stats. I am very confused now on what to go for. 

 

I think I will need to go for a pike with high hit and my stats don't give me enough of it. 

 

I tried farming in orc dungeon but couldn't get a single pike. Are wormtails good for pikes with high hit and etc?

 

 

I am very thankful to you guys for your replies and suggestions so far. 

My friend, i dont know much about ragnarok nowadays as well, but keep  in mind that the old mechanics - weapons with 2 racial + 2 size cards, are done.

 

In renewal what matters the most is ATK. So i'd say: If you're aiming for One Shot Raydric/AK (and since pike is such a weak weapon) forget about getting a pike with HIT and go for ATK (+50~60). You can even use 1 Mummy in the weapon to help you out.

 

It's not an easy weapon to drop , it's all about luck. My advice is: keep checking the shop board and in the meantime you can farm the money.

Edited by Xsansao, 19 May 2020 - 03:43 AM.

[EdwardEG]

As far as i know, only orc dungeon fever field boss monsters drop Pike with 3 enchants. Worm tails only drop Pike with 2 enchants.

[Krispin2]

And higher stat enchants only come from the upper levels.

This means the only place a good 50-60 attack pike comes from are the special mobs in the orc dungeon.

[fr33x]

Also unless you can get Aspersio, I highly doubt you can one shot Raydrics. I am using Pole Axe myself and I am barely one shotting them.

[mukamito]

I am sure you can one shot Raydrics with any weapon as long as your status attack is high enough, but the problem is that you are suggesting Hydra and Minorous like it's the best for damage which is untrue.

 

Simple calculation to show difference between Archer Skeleton and your hydra/minorous combo:

 

Assuming at his amount of STR, 150 Status ATK -> 300 in final calculation

 

Hydra/Minorous:

300 + ((60 base+20 refine) * 1.4(2x Hydra) * 1.3(2x Minorous) = 445.6 ATK in total

 

4x Archer Skeleton:

(300 + (60+20)) * 1.4 = 532 ATK

 

Of course the calculation is much more complex, including STR * 0.5 * base weapon attack, and refinement deviance, but just from above, it shows how bad Size/Racial modifiers are for low base attack weapons.

 

As for suggestions, there are couple of choices for one-handed spears:

- Gungnir[2], Non-slotted is already rare, let alone 2 slots, but it is the best

- Pole Axe with good option is too expensive, so that's very unlikely too

- So the best choice is indeed Pike with 60 ATK + 25% Shadow but should be carded with AS/Mummy rather than any racial/size cards

Friend, can you help me? I am currently using a Gungnir [2], but I have doubts about which card is best placed. (WoE / PvP)

I was thinking of 1 Hydra and 1 AS.

I have 96 + 24 STR

Which combination do you think is most efficient?

 

 

[joytilak]

Well, That the pike i am currently using and it work fine with Raydric. https://ibb.co/3ywTYfL

hi Evo, what are your stats like? Are you able to 1 shot Raydrics with BS without missing much?

[CadburyChocolate]

hi Evo, what are your stats like? Are you able to 1 shot Raydrics with BS without missing much?

Hi Friend, please read the comments of the others above.. we are trying here to help you yet you are goign to the wrong direction. As everyone has said, if you intend to use pike, go for Atk+50-60 then card it with AS/Mummy depending on how much hit you need. Racial cards are a waste on pike. Hit option is also not preferred for a pike as there is a lot less source of atk in game. You seem to get sidetracked easily if you see that others can do 1 hit raydric . Well, tbh, a lot of bad weapons there can 1 hit raydric as it's HP as not as high as say, succubus. Read the posts above and I suggest to maybe understand how it works to make your zeny more worth it

[joytilak]

Hi Friend, please read the comments of the others above.. we are trying here to help you yet you are goign to the wrong direction. As everyone has said, if you intend to use pike, go for Atk+50-60 then card it with AS/Mummy depending on how much hit you need. Racial cards are a waste on pike. Hit option is also not preferred for a pike as there is a lot less source of atk in game. You seem to get sidetracked easily if you see that others can do 1 hit raydric . Well, tbh, a lot of bad weapons there can 1 hit raydric as it's HP as not as high as say, succubus. Read the posts above and I suggest to maybe understand how it works to make your zeny more worth it

Thanks for yours as well as other's responses. So if I go for a pike with high attack, what shall I do regarding hit? Dex of 54+6 does not give enough hit to connect with raydrics. I will always have a priest though with me @ GH.

[ConradoTVreal]

Ranged Damage
Critical Damage
Skill Damage

These effects affect every portion of your atk, Status ATK(gained from str/dex/luk) and Mastery ATK included.

Race/Element/Size/Type/etc

These effects do not apply to Status ATK and Mastery ATK.


Lastly, your Status ATK is doubled during damage calculations. The  X + Y number you see on the Alt+A window (status atk is the one in the left), you can double the status atk portion for effective damage calculation.



It doesn't matter that the % of the card is higher if they only affect a smaller portion of your total atk.

Taking advantage of the topic to avoid flooding another. If I want to level the BB, a weapon with 27 HIT + Demin human damage 24% with 2x Minouros or 2x poring santa its a good one?

Another question: What is the best combination of cards? 2x Race, 2x size or 2x element?

[tings]

Guys, let me join this discuss...

 

I'm trying to make a good weapon for general farming (gh, geffenia), and i got this ones:

 

+10 Pike 

Enchants: LUK +4 / ATK + 58 / ShadowDMG 11%

Cards: 2 Mummy / 2 AS

 

+10 Pike

Enchants: VIT +3 / HIT + 17 / ShadowDMG 14%

Cards: 1 Mummy

 

Could you help me choice between this  weapons? Im using the first one because its already carded, but in the 2nd weapond i could invest in 3 AS, since it already have +17HIT in the enchants.

Another possible option is to remove 1 Mummy from the 1st weapon and insert a AS.

 

What do you guys think about this weapons?

Edited by tings, 21 May 2020 - 02:32 PM.

[joytilak]

Guys, let me join this discuss...

I'm trying to make a good weapon for general farming (gh, geffenia), and i got this ones:

+10 Pike
Enchants: LUK +4 / ATK + 58 / ShadowDMG 11%
Cards: 2 Mummy / 2 AS

+10 Pike
Enchants: VIT +3 / HIT + 17 / ShadowDMG 14%
Cards: 1 Mummy

Could you help me choice between this weapons? Im using the first one because its already carded, but in the 2nd weapond i could invest in 3 AS, since it already have +17HIT in the enchants.
Another possible option is to remove 1 Mummy from the 1st weapon and insert a AS.

What do you guys think about this weapons?

is it really possible to remove a card from a weapon? If so, how and how much will it cost?

[tings]

is it really possible to remove a card from a weapon? If so, how and how much will it cost?

 

Yes bro, it is!

 

In middle of Prontera, left side, has a CAT (NPC).

 

If you talk to him, you can remove Cards from equipments, but there is a tax of 1m, and it offers only 5% chance to remove the card. 

Your equipment wont break if fails.

 

However, you can purchase elixirs on the cash shop that provides 40% and 80% chance to remove.

Your equipment also wont break if fails.

 

Thats it!

[fr33x]

Guys, let me join this discuss...

 

I'm trying to make a good weapon for general farming (gh, geffenia), and i got this ones:

 

+10 Pike 

Enchants: LUK +4 / ATK + 58 / ShadowDMG 11%

Cards: 2 Mummy / 2 AS

 

+10 Pike

Enchants: VIT +3 / HIT + 17 / ShadowDMG 14%

Cards: 1 Mummy

 

Could you help me choice between this  weapons? Im using the first one because its already carded, but in the 2nd weapond i could invest in 3 AS, since it already have +17HIT in the enchants.

Another possible option is to remove 1 Mummy from the 1st weapon and insert a AS.

 

What do you guys think about this weapons?

 

Would be much better with the first one since the 58 ATK is much better than the 17 HIT (As well as the two AS). The ShadowDMG only applies to the weapon, so you're getting 14% of (60+20refine) from the pike, which is very small amount. Correctly me if I am wrong with this @Ashuckel. So in order to make most of the PropertyModifier, you want to get a higher base weapon atk weapon like this Pole Axe http://imgur.com/gi8JK5n. Then you're scaling the 23% on (160+25), which is a lot higher.

 

Update: According to https://irowiki.org/wiki/ATK, it seems that ExtraAttack also gets applied to the scaling, so it's (60+58option+20refine). This makes the 58 ATK option much more valuable.

 

For future proofing, if you want to make most out of https://irowiki.org/...Clashing_Spiral, you may want to get a heavier weapon than a pike

 

Edited by fr33x, 28 May 2020 - 10:34 AM.

[fr33x]

 

Taking advantage of the topic to avoid flooding another. If I want to level the BB, a weapon with 27 HIT + Demin human damage 24% with 2x Minouros or 2x poring santa its a good one?

Another question: What is the best combination of cards? 2x Race, 2x size or 2x element?

 

 

The only weapon with 4 slots are usually level 1 weapon, so please don't add any modifiers, instead add solid attack boost like Andre/Zipper Bear Cards.

 

The best combination depends on the % on each. I.e. if you have a Hydra as the race, Minorous for the size, and Poring Santa for element, you're trying to find the optimal percentage.

 

Hydra 20%, Minorous 15%, S.Poring 20%. Right away if you're only targetting Raydric, I would remove Minorous from the equation since it yields a low percentage.

 

Combination = Max(4H, 3H1SP, 2H2SP, 1H3SP, 4SP) -> 2H2SP 1.4*1.4 = 1.96

 

So with that combo you're getting a 96% boost on the weapon attack