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#1 Joatmon

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 12:44 PM

So with the new 185 update and what they're doing with skills it looks V Spear may be a bit more viable for use against appropriate elements.

 

Assuming the only thing that changes is the damage formula and not the Cast Time/CD formula, then lvl10 + KOS gear will give us no cd and allow for instacast shenanigans.

 

What do we replace the Poro set with for damage?

 

We wouldn't need Temp Dex cause lvl 10 V Spear would remove the fixed cast time (Based on current cast time formula), so Temp Int would be the better Temporal boot for damage and the spell enchant would make instacast V Spear a little easier to accomplish then the current instant casts.

 

Unless there's a Wind Damage boot I'm ignorant of I can't think of any other options off the top of my head.

 

So then what would we want for our Staff? Do we go for a 2H? Maybe Thorn Staff for the refine bonus on reusage delay?

 

It looks like the new GH map when using the appropriate dress may be better than Nogg if V Spear is abusable upon the update, so I'm trying to gather some thoughts. I'm not as good at theorycrafting as I once was in this game.

 

 

 

Aside:

I have no clue if we should just be switching to the 6th Sense Ring instead of the KOS gear cause I haven't seen anyone really talk about it on forums and a Guild Member said that the KoS builds were still probably better. That being the case, I still want to know about how we (may) now be able to use V Spear before I hear anything about the 6SR.


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#2 Zayaan

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 04:47 PM

Afaik the FCT stays at 1 second but the cooldown gets increased from 2 to 5, which means it won't be spammable with current gear. You will have to wait for this weapon and its enchant for it to become spammable once again.

 

RE: Sixth Sense Rings
They'll be pretty strong once we get Costume Enchant Stone Box 13, as with that you can reduce PW cooldown to 0, which allows for this:
 


Edited by Zayaan, 20 December 2021 - 05:06 PM.

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 05:22 PM

This is the new damage formula of Varetyr Spear after 185 rebalance.

Varetyr Spear : ((int x skill level / 2) + (Endow Tornado level x 120) + (Striking level x 120))%Matk, scale with base level.

Gained from testing by myself in KRO. I'm not sure if IRO will follow this formula.

In addition, this formula is valid until 4th class jobs patch that the formula has been changed again.
Unfortunately I can't test the new formula by myself since Sakray no longer accessible there.

Edited by Sigma1, 20 December 2021 - 05:34 PM.

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#4 Joatmon

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Posted 20 December 2021 - 09:50 PM

This is the new damage formula of Varetyr Spear after 185 rebalance.

Varetyr Spear : ((int x skill level / 2) + (Endow Tornado level x 120) + (Striking level x 120))%Matk, scale with base level.

Gained from testing by myself in KRO. I'm not sure if IRO will follow this formula.

In addition, this formula is valid until 4th class jobs patch that the formula has been changed again.
Unfortunately I can't test the new formula by myself since Sakray no longer accessible there.

 

So you think it will be the same cast time/cool down formula?

 

I'm not investing in anything until confirmation.


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Posted 20 December 2021 - 10:48 PM

Cooldown has been increased from 2 seconds to 5 seconds.
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Posted 20 December 2021 - 10:52 PM

Gross.


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Posted 21 December 2021 - 02:36 AM

Current v.spear already hit really hard, and that's with half of the modifiers not working "correctly" let's say (wind magic damage increased the atk portion). The update will remove the innate mdef pen that hybrid skills have, but that's not really an issue nowadays, and now you will have an even stronger magic portion, that will be fully affected by every modifier you have.

Prob not gonna see any dedicated builds around it, but it will hit hard enough to warrant use if you are fighting monsters weak to wind/are using wind damage gear already.


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Posted 27 December 2021 - 05:52 PM

sorry for hijacking the thread but, is the dust shadow set worth? 


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#9 PervySageMarty

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Posted 28 December 2021 - 03:20 PM

sorry for hijacking the thread but, is the dust shadow set worth? 

 

Yes, if you want the maximum damage potential for Diamond Dust.


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