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[3256250403150205473]

Hello folks,

 

I looked at the page Ragnarok Online - Events - Overseas Care Package 72 and it makes no sense to me.

 

First of all, it does not specify when the event ends and says the OCP Anniversary Token will be deleted when the event its. This by itself seems sus and creating anxiety and confusion.

Then you look at the fact that OCP 72 drops this token at a 6.82% drop rate.

 

So - imagine this - I want "Rest in Peace" rare item which drops at 0.34% in OCP 69 - if I wanted to get this by trading OCP Anniversary Tokens - based on the table they provided at the page - I need 100 tokens to trade with the new NPC.

 

This means I roughly need to open 1466 OCP 72 - give or take a few based on RNG. If I just opened OCP 69 directly, it would take me about 294. The math is baffling. Feel free to check it.

 

For Anniversary token to be just barely viable and on-par with just regular opening of OCP 69 - the exchange rate would need to be 1/5 of what it is now. I.E The rare items should cost 20 tokens instead of 100. A fairer rate would be 15 tokens. I am really hoping someone at GRAVITY/WARP checks the math and how bad Anniversary token is with the current drop and exchange rates.

 

Is this supposed to be a celebration gift for players, or something meant to get money out of youngers players who can't do math?

 

I'd like to know your thoughts. I do know that OCP 72 also drops other items when the 6.82% Anniversary token doesn't drop, but really, the items aren't that viable - I have one GX, and I don't really care for any of them. The general common drops which sell for Zeny like BSB are also on other OCP - so it still doesn't make sense.

 

[3256250403150205473]

It seems to me that Anniversary Token is a useless drop. So 7% of the time, this box drops nothing and its money down the toilet.

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[grandetbug]

remember the issue way back on a game company gacha chances?i hope they increase chances and remove trash in it

[Argetlahm]

They've changed it to 60 from 100; and 40 from 80 tokens, which is still hard to get to.

as you'd need around:

at 6.82% drop chance it's a 1 in 15 chance for an anniversary token.

(15 x 60)*300

900 boxes opened for the 60 token items (roughly 270,000 KP); and

(15 x 40)*300

600 boxes opened for the 40 token items (roughly 180,000 KP).

 

at least the OCP exchange tokens give a better chance at getting at the top rares over the anniversary OCP tokens.

 

 

[Quoc]

They've changed it to 60 from 100; and 40 from 80 tokens, which is still hard to get to.

as you'd need around:

at 6.82% drop chance it's a 1 in 15 chance for an anniversary token.

(15 x 60)*300

900 boxes opened for the 60 token items (roughly 270,000 KP); and

(15 x 40)*300

600 boxes opened for the 40 token items (roughly 180,000 KP).

 

at least the OCP exchange tokens give a better chance at getting at the top rares over the anniversary OCP tokens.

Which honestly, I love that change. Seeing changes like this is what makes me bother buying anything from them. Listening to feedback is the first thing to get customers to consider buying your product.

The previous rate was absurd, this rate I find reasonable. I only feel this way because the item is tradeable. This means collectively, we're supposed to get these as a community and trade them off to each other. It wasn't meant to be for a single person to buy $2200 worth of KP and opening boxes. The idea isn't to flood the market with these SSS ranked items either, just to create more opportunities for past items to join the current pool of items.

So I'll give credit where credit is due. Though I'll still say that the original plan shouldn't even have been a thing. Don't try to push the boundaries to the maximum limit and wait for negative feedbacks before doing something. Try to understand the customer's perspective than trying to see what you can get away from. As long as this is the case, I wouldn't mind supporting a company.

Edited by Quoc, 24 June 2025 - 07:42 PM.

[Argetlahm]

Which honestly, I love that change. Seeing changes like this is what makes me bother buying anything from them. Listening to feedback is the first thing to get customers to consider buying your product.

The previous rate was absurd, this rate I find reasonable. I only feel this way because the item is tradeable. This means collectively, we're supposed to get these as a community and trade them off to each other. It wasn't meant to be for a single person to buy $2200 worth of KP and opening boxes. The idea isn't to flood the market with these SSS ranked items either, just to create more opportunities for past items to join the current pool of items.

So I'll give credit where credit is due. Though I'll still say that the original plan shouldn't even have been a thing. Don't try to push the boundaries to the maximum limit and wait for negative feedbacks before doing something. Try to understand the customer's perspective than trying to see what you can get away from. As long as this is the case, I wouldn't mind supporting a company.

 

the change is of course, welcome and really good.

but if one's aiming for any of the items from the OCP anniversary token exchange - an item with .34% drop chance from the boxes that it's coming from has a probable chance of 1 in 294 boxes opened.

 

so it breaks down to the following comparisons to get one particular item:

at least 294 boxes from that particular OCP that it really comes from

at least 900 boxes to get 60 anniversary tokens from OCP 72

at least 600 boxes to get 40 anniversary tokens from OCP 72

 

the problem stems from the maths in gacha mechanics, the idea that it's an anniversary item, and that they didn't state how long's the availability of the OCP 72 and the anniversary tokens, as it was also stated that they will delete the tokens once the event is over.

 

since they also placed a conversion of the anniversary tokens to OCP tokens (though it's one is to one, which should've been more like 1 anniv token is to 2), they could've placed a conversion for the other way around - normal OCP tokens to anniversary tokens (like 2 normal OCP tokens is to 1 anniv token).

 

funnily enough, everything's a lottery now, you open boxes for a chance to get that item, then you upgrade it, then if it's a level 2 armor or level 5 weapon, you increase its grade, and do the loops all over again.

Edited by Argetlahm, 25 June 2025 - 12:02 AM.

[Netha]

thats what you supported for over a decade now. Its only gonna get worse.

[Quoc]

the change is of course, welcome and really good.

but if one's aiming for any of the items from the OCP anniversary token exchange - an item with .34% drop chance from the boxes that it's coming from has a probable chance of 1 in 294 boxes opened.

 

so it breaks down to the following comparisons to get one particular item:

at least 294 boxes from that particular OCP that it really comes from

at least 900 boxes to get 60 anniversary tokens from OCP 72

at least 600 boxes to get 40 anniversary tokens from OCP 72

 

the problem stems from the maths in gacha mechanics, the idea that it's an anniversary item, and that they didn't state how long's the availability of the OCP 72 and the anniversary tokens, as it was also stated that they will delete the tokens once the event is over.

 

since they also placed a conversion of the anniversary tokens to OCP tokens (though it's one is to one, which should've been more like 1 anniv token is to 2), they could've placed a conversion for the other way around - normal OCP tokens to anniversary tokens (like 2 normal OCP tokens is to 1 anniv token).

 

funnily enough, everything's a lottery now, you open boxes for a chance to get that item, then you upgrade it, then if it's a level 2 armor or level 5 weapon, you increase its grade, and do the loops all over again.

I think it's meant to be more of a system where you get these as bonuses while you're actively aiming for things in that box. If you're actively trying to hunt tokens from OCP, then it'll definitely be terrible for that specific item. If you're getting a lot of anniversary tokens through opening current OCP and trading with others, you'll find yourself within reach of other items. It's more like a bad luck prevention system. It doesn't reward you outright, but with enough of it, you'll get something out of it.

Very similar to kachua coupons, except kachua coupons is a much better system lol. I'd argue it's the best system they've ever implemented.

[Argetlahm]

I think it's meant to be more of a system where you get these as bonuses while you're actively aiming for things in that box. If you're actively trying to hunt tokens from OCP, then it'll definitely be terrible for that specific item. If you're getting a lot of anniversary tokens through opening current OCP and trading with others, you'll find yourself within reach of other items. It's more like a bad luck prevention system. It doesn't reward you outright, but with enough of it, you'll get something out of it.

Very similar to kachua coupons, except kachua coupons is a much better system lol. I'd argue it's the best system they've ever implemented.

 

Yeah, at least the OCP tokens is a really good additional option to eventually get a particular really rare/SSS rank item from the drop list, while the Kachua coupons can be exchanged for various items that can be quite useful, even those that needs the effort to farm to upgrade to LT versions, and as early equipment that's quite comparable to some OCP stuff for some characters.

 

Again, the way I see it is that the Anniversary tokens aren't a bonus but a filler item that does nothing till you get the appropriate amount, with that rate, eventually the market's gonna be flooded with useless OCP items that can't be exchanged to granny boxter as she hasn't been updated for the 2024 OCPs, and considering they haven't even released any additional info for as to when the OCP 72 goes away from the cash shop, or even the period before they're gonna wipe the Anniversary tokens from inventories, it's gonna suck even as a "freebie."

 

As an anniversary token, they could've instead changed the OCP freebie tokens from the box to the Anniversary Tokens, then maintained the needed amounts - 100 and 80. That'll make a good anniversary OCP instead, since you'd be getting some items from the OCP, and eventually get a freebie that you'd be looking for from the Anniversary Token exchange list, then sell the OCP for a limited period -  the "FOMO" or Fear Of Missing Out kicks in, which'll likely make some players choose to spend a bit more celebrating the IRO anniversary.

Edited by Argetlahm, 01 July 2025 - 12:50 AM.

[Quin]

it would be nice if grandma boxter got updated or if you could trade in 2 bad rolls to get anniversary tokens, since it's a limited event anyway. Could exclude things like BB/Oda, but basically any bad rolls from previous boxes are just inventory-1.

Edited by Quin, 02 July 2025 - 04:46 AM.

[Argetlahm]

Quite good News: with the new OCP 73, the Anniversary token drops at a 9.58% chance

or a 1 in 10 rate.

with this update the probable number of boxes needed to be opened and the KP costs are as follows:

60 token items:

(10 * 60) * 300 = 180,000 KP spent (minimum)

600 Boxes

 

40 token items:

(10 * 40) * 300 = 120,000 KP spent (minimum)

400 Boxes

 

That's a better chance, though 1 in 10 times you'll get an item that still needs farming for it to be useful.

 

Edited by Argetlahm, 08 July 2025 - 07:54 AM.