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#1 RawrKumico

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 12:22 AM

I have been watching videos on youtube. It seems like the archmage uses skills from bm and all that more then there new skills. I remember having ball lightning/blizzard and they were win, but do they really get nothing better? I was watching the 4th job for acolyte (priest or cleric or something) and they hit a LOT more dmg on all there skills. Idk if it was a big gear difference or what but it seems like aco is better then bm in the higher lvls, any input on this? Approaching first job change now, I'll prob end up making both eventually...
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Posted 20 January 2011 - 12:55 AM

What is your play style like? Are you more PVE or PVP oriented? Do you wish to have good mob control or be a supportive class with quite the offensiveness as well?

Battlemage
- Have good AOE's, great for mobbing
- Excels in group PVPs, BSQ, EW, etc.
- Unable to action cancel
- Might be hard to catch your opponents in PVP

Priest
- Ability to heal (no need for HP pots)
- Good DPS
- Can be quite the annoyance in PVP with its various debuffs and skills (sparkle rock!)
- May become repetitive with the x-spam, lack of variety

Both are exceptional classes in the higher levels in their own ways. They are both unique and have their own playing style. So depending on your preference, just pick one and try to stick to it.
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#3 RawrKumico

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Posted 20 January 2011 - 01:03 AM

Hm, I played BM to lvl 35 on the thq ice version. My play style is making things go boom. Thats all I really care about, destroy crap. But watching the videos, its a little sad see'ing lvl 60 WMs still using the BM skills as primary pve and pvp skills... Also, it seems that the priest job 4 skill is better, that big lightning one, vs. gravity. Well, I'll play my bm until its higher lvl and then might make a new char as an aco, thansk for the run down
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Posted 20 January 2011 - 09:53 AM

I remember having ball lightning/blizzard and they were win, but do they really get nothing better? I was watching the 4th job for acolyte (priest or cleric or something) and they hit a LOT more dmg on all there skills. Idk if it was a big gear difference or what but it seems like aco is better then bm in the higher lvls, any input on this? Approaching first job change now, I'll prob end up making both eventually...


As WMs, they get Snow Blues (Penguin) and Backdraft (Pepper), which are both decent offensive skills. Most of their 4th job skills are pretty lame, but keep in mind that that could easily change in the future, since there are unreleased 4th job skills and there's always the chance for current skills to be buffed up (across the entire class branch). For instance, I've heard a future patch buffs the WM meteor skill quite a bit, giving it a massive damage boost. Bottom line is, just b/c a class is lacking in some departments right now doesn't mean it will always be so -- and the same goes for the reverse (classes that are OP now won't necessarily always be OP). Priests/invokers are getting some considerable nerfs in upcoming patches, probably the most notable of which is the fact that Double Shot will reportedly become an active skill rather than a passive. Oh, and heals, magnet and Spark Rock are all getting nerfed, too.

As for damage output, WMs can actually outdamage priests/invokers pretty well in PvP for the sole reason that it's a bit easier for them to maintain a lock once it's been established (thanks to their superior freezing ability). That might change once blizzard mufflers are released (if the freeze % chance decrease affects player skills, as well, which I assume it does). Ultimately, as invazn said, both classes are excellent, so just pick whichever one you prefer.
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Posted 20 January 2011 - 09:21 PM

Almost lvl 20. I was gonna try for the 1 day first promo but I said screw it with work and stuff. Few more questions not exactly related to bm/aco, I just don't wanna clutter up the forum with silly little questions. First, I saw someone with a puppy. How can I get a pet? I checked the item mall and the pet spot is greyed out. Also, I read you can't obtain wings from drops anymore, I had lvl 27 wings on my old char that I got back on thq ice version, i loved them. They looked neato, so can you still get them from end reward from mission maps still? Why did they remove them... they were so neat. I remember getting a lvl 20 set from a hero quest after beating farrell, is that quest still there and give the wings? Also, anyone mind recommending a good new person friendly guild? I've had invites from a few but I don't like just random invites because there normally not that good and just trying to get people. Thanks for all the help :P
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 04:22 AM

Almost lvl 20. I was gonna try for the 1 day first promo but I said screw it with work and stuff. Few more questions not exactly related to bm/aco, I just don't wanna clutter up the forum with silly little questions. First, I saw someone with a puppy. How can I get a pet? I checked the item mall and the pet spot is greyed out. Also, I read you can't obtain wings from drops anymore, I had lvl 27 wings on my old char that I got back on thq ice version, i loved them. They looked neato, so can you still get them from end reward from mission maps still? Why did they remove them... they were so neat. I remember getting a lvl 20 set from a hero quest after beating farrell, is that quest still there and give the wings? Also, anyone mind recommending a good new person friendly guild? I've had invites from a few but I don't like just random invites because there normally not that good and just trying to get people. Thanks for all the help :P


How can I get a pet?
  • After achieving level 20, talk to Pet Merchant Amy at Port of Winds. Complete a chain of quest's from her to acquire a Pet Egg. (Google "Dragonica Online Pet System" for a more detailed explanation.)
Regarding wings and all back equip's
  • No. There are no longer obtainable through Mission or Quest rewards.
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  • There are many guilds around of all level's, as well as a Guild Section if you'd like to post there. Best advice would be to go with what you can until you have a specific guild in mind.

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Posted 21 January 2011 - 06:48 AM

Can someone explain to me about action cancelling, I hear it got nerfed for battlemages D:
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 03:21 PM

Can someone explain to me about action cancelling, I hear it got nerfed for battlemages D:

Action canceling is when the player presses "jump" right after a skill cast to skip the animation delay that follows the casting of that skill to save time (perhaps to initiate another skills or something faster). This ability to do so was taken away from the BMs/WMs/Sorcerers, thus making them less efficient when using skills. But without it, many of them are still able to do well so I don't think its that much of a problem.
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Posted 21 January 2011 - 03:51 PM

Action canceling is when the player presses "jump" right after a skill cast to skip the animation delay that follows the casting of that skill to save time (perhaps to initiate another skills or something faster). This ability to do so was taken away from the BMs/WMs/Sorcerers, thus making them less efficient when using skills. But without it, many of them are still able to do well so I don't think its that much of a problem.

Back in THQ it was said that if you can't action cancel by 30 this class wasn't for you. That said WMs do alright without it it's just that our main catching skill was destroyed by taking away action canceling. Imo instant cast shouldn't mean oh sorry mate now you have to stand perfectly still for two seconds after you hit this button, I mean why not just put a 2s cast time on it then >.>
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Posted 22 January 2011 - 08:55 AM

Back in THQ it was said that if you can't action cancel by 30 this class wasn't for you. That said WMs do alright without it it's just that our main catching skill was destroyed by taking away action canceling. Imo instant cast shouldn't mean oh sorry mate now you have to stand perfectly still for two seconds after you hit this button, I mean why not just put a 2s cast time on it then >.>


actually from wat i have seen and experienced in BSQ, animation can still be cancelled when using Fire Emblem, but for u dont have any control over it, when i see a WM start to cast Fire Emblem i imidiately attack them but as it turns out, if they get hit then the Fire Emblem animation gets cancelled, so right when i hit them i also get caught by Fire embled, then they just freeze me and every attacking means death easily for someone frozen
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Posted 22 January 2011 - 09:29 AM

actually from wat i have seen and experienced in BSQ, animation can still be cancelled when using Fire Emblem, but for u dont have any control over it, when i see a WM start to cast Fire Emblem i imidiately attack them but as it turns out, if they get hit then the Fire Emblem animation gets cancelled, so right when i hit them i also get caught by Fire embled, then they just freeze me and every attacking means death easily for someone frozen


If you're talking about making the WM flinch w/ an attack, then yes, a flinch will cancel any animation. But that's not what they're talking about here. WMs used to be able to hit the hotkey for Fire Emblem, then immediately jump or move away -- now they're forced to wait for the animation to complete (which takes a second or two), and cannot cancel it themselves.

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Posted 22 January 2011 - 10:04 AM

If you're talking about making the WM flinch w/ an attack, then yes, a flinch will cancel any animation. But that's not they're talking about here. WMs used to be able to hit the hotkey for Fire Emblem, then immediately jump or move away -- now they're forced to wait for the animation to complete (which takes a second or two), and cannot cancel it themselves.


i know wat they were talking about, im just saying that in some cases a WM doesnt have to wait for the animation after casting skills
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Posted 22 January 2011 - 10:43 AM

i know wat they were talking about, im just saying that in some cases a WM doesnt have to wait for the animation after casting skills


Ah. I understand.
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 10:01 AM

Wizards are lame as hell since they took action cancelling from them. It says that fire symbol is an "instant cast" but in reality it has like a 1-1.5 cast time. Really dumb. Fire Symbol was our blood and life and of course gravity decides to nerf wammies - and make the already OP class paladin even better than it already was. Many classes that were fine as they were got buffed, while wammie got nerfed. Now I barely see any wizards and I tried myself to play one, but it just wasn't the same as it used to be...

There's no reason on earth why acolytes should get a better offensive spell than a wizard. Rain of Fire, i've tried it on a priest, is ridiculously OP for a supposed "HEALING" class.
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 10:25 AM

Wizards are lame as hell since they took action cancelling from them. It says that fire symbol is an "instant cast" but in reality it has like a 1-1.5 cast time. Really dumb. Fire Symbol was our blood and life and of course gravity decides to nerf wammies - and make the already OP class paladin even better than it already was. Many classes that were fine as they were got buffed, while wammie got nerfed. Now I barely see any wizards and I tried myself to play one, but it just wasn't the same as it used to be...

There's no reason on earth why acolytes should get a better offensive spell than a wizard. Rain of Fire, i've tried it on a priest, is ridiculously OP for a supposed "HEALING" class.


First off, there are plenty of WMs in the higher level ranges, at least in my experience. Even w/ the removal of canceling on Fire Symbol, I'd say they are probably the single most devastating offensive class -- once you get frozen, you're usually a goner unless you get lucky or someone comes along to help free you.

Second, Rain of Fire is nowhere near as good an offensive spell as Blizzard or Snow Blues (Penguin) in PvP. I main as an invoker and I would gladly give up RoF in exchange for either one of those skills ANY day. They are fantastic. In lower-level PvP RoF can be devastating, perhaps, but once you hit 50+ PvP and people start enchanting their armor and stacking health, it's really very underpowered compared to Blizzard and Snow Blues, since both of those skills can potentially lead to infi-locking a target while constantly adding damage (while RoF just gives a measly Level 5 Burn effect, which is practically negligible). Furthermore, the damage RoF produces to a single target in the time it takes to use it can easily be matched (or even overcome) by a volley of Double Shot X-spam boosted w/ Attack Speed buffs. The only real uses for RoF are as a burst damage attack to try to finish off a target when it's near death before it can escape/heal, for high critical hit damage and for mobbing in PvE.

Third, WMs didn't get only nerfs, they also got a boost in the sense that their skills now use their full Aim Rate to determine hit % and spells can also produce critical hits now. Oh, and let's not forget the fact that w/ a combination of Physical Damage Reduction (now plentiful post-patch thanks to Guardian sets), Mana Shield and a high defense rating (not to mention Slow Heal), they are nearly indestructible against physical attacks.

Lastly, WMs are getting some skill boosts in upcoming patches, and I believe they include damage boosts to at least one or two spells -- while invokers are getting multiple nerfs, including nerfs to Spark Rock, magnet, Double Shot, heals (they will use a % of max MP rather than a flat amount), etc. That's the way the game works. A class gets its time in the limelight, and eventually starts to lose its luster as another steps up to outshine it -- temporarily. In the end, any class can be incredibly powerful if used correctly.

Don't be so quick to dismiss WMs, that's all I'm saying. If you really think they suck that bad, I believe you haven't given the class the chance it deserves.

Edited by Rimmy, 24 January 2011 - 10:29 AM.

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 10:29 AM

Hey. Maybe I'm just judging them too quickly.. I'm going to stick with my wizard now that you've given me hope. I played them at lower lvls and thought there was no hope.. (20-35 about). But has freezing duration lengthened since the patch?
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Posted 24 January 2011 - 10:38 AM

Hey. Maybe I'm just judging them too quickly.. I'm going to stick with my wizard now that you've given me hope. I played them at lower lvls and thought there was no hope.. (20-35 about). But has freezing duration lengthened since the patch?


No, it hasn't lengthened. But generally, if you're stacking enough Aim Rate, Blizzard alone will freeze targets multiple times throughout its duration. Add in Snow Blues, Backdraft and Fire Symbol, all on rotation, and you're looking at a pretty good chance of killing most targets before they even gets a chance to strike back.
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Posted 28 March 2011 - 01:04 PM

Yeah I made a BM and job changing to WM today, but I don't know if it is just me or not. Does blizzard have a semi-vertical effective range? Like I cast blizzard then use tornado and the opponent no matter what even if they cancel the fall ends up getting frozen before they leave the circle (while in the air) which kills them anyway due to my missile + Ball. And I head that you can increase your freeze rates. How can you do so?? Overall I love BM more than my Sentinel right now.
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