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[twitch]

Alright basically the proposal is the following.
Once stealth or cloaked the person attacking you should lose his target so for example:if someone were to attack you and you cloak he will still melee you,the concept i dont understand is how does someone hit you if your invisible?i propose that if someone is melee-ing you and you cloak then the person has to decloak you before he could re-attack.
(Got this idea when that greylavu dude was crying about the cloak)

Edited by twitch, 02 February 2011 - 01:30 PM.

[Blitzkrieg]

grey is gonna cry even more when he sees this

but i gotta agree.....you can hit him with skills too as long as you perform them correctly without hitting the button twice

i m sure we are gonna have opposition there are still idiots out there who believe in the popular superstition that RAIDERS are OP

[Soda]

grey is gonna cry even more when he sees this

LOLOL your making him rage more about cloak. Anyways, what howie said make sense tho.

[tENLAVUU]

logic doesn't apply in rose, just like how champs wear heavier armor than raiders yet are the fastest class.

grey is gonna cry even more when he sees this

lmfao

[Span]

If this happens i'll revive my raider .

[Soda]

Hooray for another "OP" class post? I wont think twice if i see you in-game playing your raider if they fix champs. Don't give me the "its my favorite class" reason, its getting old.

[Gojio]

I agree with this, it's just silly that you go on stealth\cloak and people chasing you can still hit you through flat air <.<

[Bendersmom]

Maybe I don't understand but if people can't attack you, even melee hits because they supposedly can't see you, how can you then attack everyone, as strongly as when you are not cloaked, while still invisible? I would think some of your energy of cloaking should minimize your attacks. Somehow that does not seem right, especially since not everyone has a decloak. A lot have pushed the opposite and want the cloak effects taken away when the cloaked person attacks, which is not right either. Your suggestion doesn't take into the equation those that can mess with stealth/cloak and stay invisible for what seems like forever. I thought the idea of invisibility was to run in, make a quick attack and run out. A Raider, by definition, is someone who takes spoils or plunders (as in a war). They are not meant to be the main fighting force. The raider is great for running ahead in UW and taking down a side crystal or at least starting the process until reinforcments come along or running around back to the defenders spawn and making quick attacks when people come off the wall, but their cloak should eventually get taken away and if they don't run away they will probably die. Maybe they need to be made as fast as champs lol. But like Vu said, logic doesn't apply to Rose.

[Akayo]

I agree with the idea.

However, to compensate for the inevitable cries of OP, a possible compromise would be to only apply this to stealth. Seeing as stealth is generally used for escaping/scouting; along with it's ability to cleanse any debuffs, removing any targets placed on the raider would further enforce this idea. Also, since stealth is removed after targeting an opponent, this change would, in a sense, balance the skill.

[Span]

Hooray for another "OP" class post? I wont think twice if i see you in-game playing your raider if they fix champs. Don't give me the "its my favorite class" reason, its getting old.

And i though it was a moderate class ... champs r getting old for me -.- .

[SilverBlood]

I agree with the idea.

However, to compensate for the inevitable cries of OP, a possible compromise would be to only apply this to stealth. Seeing as stealth is generally used for escaping/scouting; along with it's ability to cleanse any debuffs, removing any targets placed on the raider would further enforce this idea. Also, since stealth is removed after targeting an opponent, this change would, in a sense, balance the skill.

+1

[Soda]

And i though it was a moderate class ... champs r getting old for me -.- .

Raider is a "moderate" class but i was basing on your post. It seemed like you wanted to revive a character cause its gonna be the "new champ" if they make this stealth/cloak happen. ANYWAYS, i dont agree with the suggestion, EVEN THOUGH it logically makes sense that you're not suppose to attack someone through thin air, this will make raiders have so much advantage on owning everyone tho.

Edited by Soda, 03 February 2011 - 10:01 AM.

[Span]

Raider is a "moderate" class but i was basing on your post. It seemed like you wanted to revive a character cause its gonna be the "new champ" if they make this stealth/cloak happen. ANYWAYS, i dont agree with the suggestion, EVEN THOUGH it logically makes sense that you're not suppose to attack someone through thin air, this will make raiders have so much advantage on owning everyone tho.

Well , it could happen if stealth and cloak would share the same cooldown , like old times .

[TankJr]

but its not logical, too that ur still invisible, if u attack someone...

in every scifi movie u get detected if u attack someone

like a Bird-of-Prey in star trek

[Dusk1PS]

Maybe, perhaps a craftable Smoke Bomb as an escape for Hawker/Raiders/Scouts?

Removes all Aggro for 1 second, 1-3 second cast time, 15+ CD?

Make the mats all the random stuff no one ever picks up to add value to it's market?

[AlisiaMT]

How about:

1. When hawker goes into stealth, they will become detargeted/untargetable.
2. Remove buff visibility when in stealth mode (buffs are still there just not seen)
3. Increase mpsd (10%?) while in stealth
4. AP goes to 3/4 hit while in stealth (ie instead of 1000 its 750)

Just throwing that out there. Thoughts?

[Blitzkrieg]

How about:

1. When hawker goes into stealth, they will become detargeted/untargetable.
2. Remove buff visibility when in stealth mode (buffs are still there just not seen)
3. Increase mpsd (10%?) while in stealth
4. AP goes to 3/4 hit while in stealth (ie instead of 1000 its 750)

Just throwing that out there. Thoughts?

you cant hit in stealth so your AP is actually zero so it doesnt matter
i like seeing flying buffs ..... and due to that people cant tell if i am in cloak or stealth
so no

as for MSPD... i want a passive nothing inferior will do

[AlisiaMT]

you cant hit in stealth so your AP is actually zero so it doesnt matter

Oh? I didn't know that XD I'm a cleric so I was just going by what little i knew from hawkers.

[Soda]

but its not logical, too that ur still invisible, if u attack someone...

in every scifi movie u get detected if u attack someone

like a Bird-of-Prey in star trek

.....

There are tons of movies where the bad guy is always invisible killing people. I think 1 movie i could give is Predators? (Im not sure about the movie but it involves aliens )

Edited by Soda, 03 February 2011 - 09:58 PM.

[twitch]

Raider is a "moderate" class but i was basing on your post. It seemed like you wanted to revive a character cause its gonna be the "new champ" if they make this stealth/cloak happen. ANYWAYS, i dont agree with the suggestion, EVEN THOUGH it logically makes sense that you're not suppose to attack someone through thin air, this will make raiders have so much advantage on owning everyone tho.

how would it be owning anyone it takes like 1-2 seconds to decloak..?the only thing that messes up raids is that they needa stun before they decloak and stuns dont always work and depending on stun is depending on luck which kinda F's up the pvp/uw system

[Soda]

how would it be owning anyone it takes like 1-2 seconds to decloak..?the only thing that messes up raids is that they needa stun before they decloak and stuns dont always work and depending on stun is depending on luck which kinda F's up the pvp/uw system

I think im referring to 1 on 1s or a group of ppl mostly clerics (chars that cant decloak) . I cant exactly point out how this is gonna make them "better" but i know it will give them some advantage at some point.

[paLDube]

If this happens i'll revive my raider .

do it!!! i miss him

[Viceking]

how a dam champ wear a heavy set armor,could dam run faster than hawker class with a light set armor,seriouly where is the logic

[twitch]

I think im referring to 1 on 1s or a group of ppl mostly clerics (chars that cant decloak) . I cant exactly point out how this is gonna make them "better" but i know it will give them some advantage at some point.

well characters that dont have decloak then its kinda the same cause a raider could just stun+cloak or cloak+stun.
the only difference is that you need to stun..

[Santa1K]

To add to this.

If someone is stealth or cloaked, the enemy should not be able to see floating buffs. People should not be able to see you AND your buffs if you're in cloak or stealth.