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[Blitzkrieg]

i dunno why people think that raiders always own any one
(i agree clerics have a hard time and they need a decloak)
but the rest???????

from what i have noticed the new raiders that people make are not effective (it feels bad to say fail)(and i aint referring to grey..in this case)
but the old ones can still survive cuz they know a word called technique
without good experience i dont think a raider can turn out well just by spamming skills as many others do

but yeah there are still some people that wont keep decloak in hot keys,start running away without any reason on seeing flying buffs and dont care to get any accuracy
how can you expect such people to beat a raider ??

[twitch]

i dunno why people think that raiders always own any one
(i agree clerics have a hard time and they need a decloak)
but the rest???????

from what i have noticed the new raiders that people make are not effective (it feels bad to say fail)(and i aint referring to grey..in this case)
but the old ones can still survive cuz they know a word called technique
without good experience i dont think a raider can turn out well just by spamming skills as many others do

but yeah there are still some people that wont keep decloak in hot keys,start running away without any reason on seeing flying buffs and dont care to get any accuracy
how can you expect such people to beat a raider ??

+1
to the things bolded.

[Soda]

i dunno why people think that raiders always own any one
(i agree clerics have a hard time and they need a decloak)
but the rest???????

from what i have noticed the new raiders that people make are not effective (it feels bad to say fail)(and i aint referring to grey..in this case)
but the old ones can still survive cuz they know a word called technique
without good experience i dont think a raider can turn out well just by spamming skills as many others do

but yeah there are still some people that wont keep decloak in hot keys,start running away without any reason on seeing flying buffs and dont care to get any accuracy
how can you expect such people to beat a raider ??

This are the dumb "people", like i said idk why would some even think that raiders "own", there are tons of classes that ive mentioned b4 that could easily kill a raider but sadly people that use this anti raider classes tend to fail on building their class most of the time. Now instead of "improving" themselves, they complain/cry/whine... Its funny how sometimes other people think raider are "cloak and kill" class (if that make sense). Ive seen tons of new raider that do "cloak and kill" once cloaked they run.. uhhh.. Seriously its not as easy as it looks. *cough* (not like ghey champs all you need is 15 gears/weap and a tiny bit of knowledge on the class and your good to go)

EDIT: Lets not mention names but the people that even complain about raiders 90% of the time is that their main char is a champ ttruee storreeyy

Edited by Soda, 05 February 2011 - 08:41 AM.

[Viceking]

To add to this.

If someone is stealth or cloaked, the enemy should not be able to see floating buffs. People should not be able to see you AND your buffs if you're in cloak or stealth.

if that happend i do reset my raider for katars lol

[Phish]

Raiders aren't overpowered but they definately aren't underpowered, Nick.

[Gojio]

If also buffs became invisible that would be teh ninja style ;o

[Soda]

Raiders aren't overpowered but they definately aren't underpowered, Nick.

Thats my point Adam (lol at size 1 text), Its annoying how some ppl think that just because others play raider its because the class is "OP" or they are making it seem like the raider class is op.

[paLDube]

just remove the union war maps. . .so cloak will be more effective. .

[Paulera]

Long ago I had seen cloacking for the first time, and just thought ridiculous the enemy still attacking the raider.

So yes, the enemy must lose target and the cloacking must hide the buff icons over the caster.

[twitch]

i disagree with hiding buffs cause thats a bit overboard yet the losing target is needed

[Paulera]

i disagree with hiding buffs cause thats a bit overboard yet the losing target is needed

You can see the enemy on the mini map, and the function of decloack is reveal hidden enemies.

Edited by Paulera, 10 February 2011 - 05:31 AM.

[Soda]

You can see the enemy on the mini map, and the function of decloack is reveal hidden enemies.

How bout make Stealth / Camo make u invisible (cant see buffs) but cloak will remain the same OR the other way around.

[Paulera]

How bout make Stealth / Camo make u invisible (cant see buffs) but cloak will remain the same OR the other way around.

Stealth and cloack should both make the player invisible. If the enemy can see the target's buffs, then the player is not hidden at all, wich should be the purpose of the skill.

But I think this:

The enemy losing the target when the raider casts Stealth is really right, cause this skill is to help the raider skipping the battle, or just lurking around.

The enemy losing the target when the raider casts cloacking and still attacking him can look a bit unfair, but is for that the most classes got decloack.

[twitch]

You can see the enemy on the mini map, and the function of decloack is reveal hidden enemies.

nah cause the map locating or w.e u wanna call it is soo messed up so nah and if people r crying about this just imagine losing buffs

[Kaizy]

Stealth/Camouflage should make the player completely invisible, making the buffs around them disappear but they still appear on the mini map.

Cloak is fine how it is except that others should lose target once you cloak. It has a long cooldown compared to most decloaks which can reload as fast as like 2-3s.

As for clerics, I don't think all clerics need a decloak. I think their other skills need to be improved a little first. They should make it so someone who goes full offensive could get a decloak but can't get full buffs/advanced heals. And the support cleric wouldn't be able to get a decloak.

[iBryan]

This game never had logic, "How the hell does a support class (Cleric) go to attack mode? what's the point on differencing Cleric&Mage if they can both still attack like theres no tomorrow, "Since when can a crafting class have better skills than the ATTACK class itself which is Bourg". Never had logic, and no it's not a sense of unique it's retarded.

+1 Champ shouldn't be faster than raiders
+1 On this thread

[twitch]

This game never had logic, "How the hell does a support class (Cleric) go to attack mode? what's the point on differencing Cleric&Mage if they can both still attack like theres no tomorrow, "Since when can a crafting class have better skills than the ATTACK class itself which is Bourg". Never had logic, and no it's not a sense of unique it's retarded.

+1 Champ shouldn't be faster than raiders
+1 On this thread

well i hope to give a chance to cleric also..... maybe they support by killing ;p and for artisans... well thats a whole different story.

[iBryan]

+1 Howie

Should be able to avoid all kinds of contact if you're invisible, but yet again people will keep on crying about it.

[twitch]

+1 Howie

Should be able to avoid all kinds of contact if you're invisible, but yet again people will keep on crying about it.

Cause people cant have a challenge or they'll "cry" but its alright,in the end its the Devs decision.