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[Arktonyel]

Hey, im kinda new to Dragon Saga and I made a Warrior. Im close to level 15 and now im starting to think which class I should go for in the long run. Dragoon or Overlord? As much as I like to smash-da-crapness out of things Overlord Style, Dragoon seems pretty fun to play too by being all tank like and dishing it back out. If someone would be kind enough to give me a Pros & Cons list of both classes I would be much appreciative. Thank you for your time!

[msxilluminati]

Dragoon:
Relatively bad dmg, great defenses.
Amazing PvP, but mediocre PvE build-for-build (though there are some great PvE dragoon players).

Overlord:
Early lvls are kinda tedious.
Has a lot of bad skills, but the few amazing skills more than make up for the bad ones.
+DPS.
Lukewarm defenses, but can be compensated for (requires investment).

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They're both great classes.

If you like to PvP...
...and you're the type that enjoys instant gratification, I'd say go with a dragoon. Overlords can be deadly in PvP, but
playing an overlord requires more "skill" than a dragoon. I hesitate to use that word because it's a touchy issue, but
I don't know how else to describe the differences between playing a dragoon and an overlord. I guess a better way
to explain it is to say that there appears to be more great PvP dragoon players than there are PvP overlord players.

If you like to PvE...
...go with an overlord, unless you like novelty builds.

Edited by msxilluminati, 21 February 2011 - 09:42 AM.

[Yurai]

Dragoons have higher attack than every class besides overlords, so I don't see why you would say that they have bad damage.

[SharpEye]

Dragoons have higher attack than every class besides overlords, so I don't see why you would say that they have bad damage.

The ridiculous amount of CD they can stack also goes a ways.

[Tarmendeos]

The ridiculous amount of CD they can stack also goes a ways.

+90 agl from just ice island equips alone means that dragoon crit rate isn't guttertrash anymore either. Of course, choosing those over 3/3 does lower the overall CD by like 30%.

Honestly, they're both tedious classes (launch! stormblade! launch! stormblade!) until they get their touchstone skills at 3rd job (wyvern blade for overlord, crosscut for dragoon). imho, dragoons are more interesting until then, as:

a: huge amounts of jump-cancelable moves. (more varied button presses for marginal improvements!)
b: aerial smackdown is much better than the overlord equivalent. (easy launching, lots of distance, fun to spam across maps)
c: spin-it-bear is better than the overlord's bear summons in terms of utility and ease-of-use. (wide aoe + guarenteed launch for at least 4 mobs)
d: time-reverse. (-1.8 sec cooldown on all moves? nuff said)

[IraizenI]

+90 agl from just ice island equips alone means that dragoon crit rate isn't guttertrash anymore either. Of course, choosing those over 3/3 does lower the overall CD by like 30%.

Honestly, they're both tedious classes (launch! stormblade! launch! stormblade!) until they get their touchstone skills at 3rd job (wyvern blade for overlord, crosscut for dragoon). imho, dragoons are more interesting until then, as:

a: huge amounts of jump-cancelable moves. (more varied button presses for marginal improvements!)
b: aerial smackdown is much better than the overlord equivalent. (easy launching, lots of distance, fun to spam across maps)
c: spin-it-bear is better than the overlord's bear summons in terms of utility and ease-of-use. (wide aoe + guarenteed launch for at least 4 mobs)
d: time-reverse. (-1.8 sec cooldown on all moves? nuff said)

Dragoon are ridiculous OP.
They got our bear, they have tons of launching skills, they have locks, they have time reverse to spam their own skills...

And they have a huge crit rate and crit dmg? As if they were some kind of dmg dealing class, They are supposed to be tankers, God damm tankers and thats it. SO MUCH OP. Nerf, I want them nerfed.
*Raging*

[iceranger]

Dragoon is S tier

[Arktonyel]

Not much Pros & Cons here, but I do like everyone personal opinion on the matter. I've been leaning towards Dragoon in the beginning, but I did not want to jump the gun and have to remake it. But I'm still not sure which to go for, a lot of you say Dragoon, but I want to know as of Why? What makes the Overlord so defective to Dragoon? Thanks again for your time! <3

[Nosnevets]

Not much Pros & Cons here, but I do like everyone personal opinion on the matter. I've been leaning towards Dragoon in the beginning, but I did not want to jump the gun and have to remake it. But I'm still not sure which to go for, a lot of you say Dragoon, but I want to know as of Why? What makes the Overlord so defective to Dragoon? Thanks again for your time! <3

Hi, I'm new here, I play dragonica(what dragon saga is called in our side of the world) SEA and PH. I have a lvl 60 dragoon and a lvl 41 myrm

From my experience,

Dragoons are the most imbalance of all the classes. Because although they are defensive, they are actually decent damage dealers and with lvl 10 parry and shield mastery they almost have a 45% block rate. They require quite some skills to use to their maximum potentials. They are the only classes with an array of jump cancel moves. (Battle mages used to have those but those jump cancels were removed on our versions.)
Dragoons are better for starters because they are well balanced and are very durable. you can experience Battle grounds and pvp to the fullest without that much experience. (emporium is another story because the guilds would obviously pick their best players)
You are hard to kill. and with enough playing experience you will begin to abuse things like delay knockdown locks(they are not really stun but because you can't roll or recover form delay knockdown animations it's effectively a stun). You will also need alot of aim at high lvl since ninja's have insane agi and evade(if you are a pvp person). You need 3 3 cp set equips for crit modifiers if you really want damage to help you level faster and deal those insane crit.
YOU WON'T GO WRONG WITH DRAGOONS. but you might get bored.

OVERLORD
they are interesting and most new players start with gladiators because they have a cool big sword. But the main downside of a offensive character is defense. In pvp(below lvl 45), if you are caught a stun or are launched, YOU ARE DEAD. Later on, defence is a bit better because you have more hp. These class have the BIGGEST DAMAGE YOU HAVE EVER SEEN. but the are not multi hit attacks. a number of your attacks are single hits except if you launch your opponent. You can level fast with good damage and you have twice the damage output of knights/paladins. But personally, I enjoy myrms. They have the coolest stun in game. Their default 6 set items have a huge aim bonus; and if you connect a crit you can kill someone instantly. The fun thing about them is that they can be specialized to be different things. I want to try and get acceleration lvl 10 to make my myrm's normal attack be as fast as a paladin's(I like to combo with the big blade). You're pvp combo's have a lot of air land variations in contrast to the paladin/dragoon's where you want to end with a delay knockdown(cheap). The last thing about overlords is that they have the fifth if not the fourth highest potential movespeed in the game. movespeed is an underrated stat since it affects your roll walking and jump distance per time interval (http://forum.iahgame...ead.php?t=66481).

Dragoons are common and as a character it has it all. It is really awesome in the hands of an experienced player even without the uber equips. On the other hand, good overlords are rare, and each build is specialized. They are the specialist's choice.

But in the end, it is up to your taste.

[Arktonyel]

Hmm, well I've made my decision! DRAGOON IT IS! Thank you all for your time and help towards this. See you all in-game....maybe.

[GrapefruitGod]

Overlord isn't defective, it's just that dragoon is on a whole other level than any other class

[Paxon]

Yep. Dragoons are unarguebly the most overpowered class in the game

[Nosnevets]

I forgot 1 more downside to being a dragoon.
This is just from my experience though... You get kicked out of pvp alot...

[K1ll]

I forgot 1 more downside to being a dragoon.
This is just from my experience though... You get kicked out of pvp alot...

Yes, being a warrior in general, you have to solo from lv 1 to 20, unless you have some cool friends or guild members that willing to help you out. Of course, once your Broom Jab at lv 3 or higher, there's nothing that you can't solo till lv 40. Good lucky at self grinding.

[converse182]

i would go with dragoon since they got alot of def nd do some pretty good dmg

[BigCU]

Yep. Dragoons are unarguebly the most overpowered class in the game

no argument really. Dragoon ARE the most OP class. People who say otherwise are nubs.

[to0n]

Dragoons are so underpowered.
Late game PvP is all about lasting 10 minutes. Dragoons have one of the worst INT gains in the game, meaning they'll run out of MP the fastest since they're spamming TR and all these jump cancel skills. I can't believe you guys seriously think dragoons are overpowered when they can barely use like two skills and become utter trash.

With the recent impervious and I think bear nerf, this class has lost hope. There is really no point in playing a dragoon anymore.

[Tarmendeos]

Unless you're like Ruby and go INT stack.

[BigCU]

Dragoons are so underpowered.
Late game PvP is all about lasting 10 minutes. Dragoons have one of the worst INT gains in the game, meaning they'll run out of MP the fastest since they're spamming TR and all these jump cancel skills. I can't believe you guys seriously think dragoons are overpowered when they can barely use like two skills and become utter trash.

With the recent impervious and I think bear nerf, this class has lost hope. There is really no point in playing a dragoon anymore.

Yes, a class with the second highest attack power, highest def, highest hp, heal over time skill that cures status, high block rate, damage reflect,infinite ground lock, powerful air attack, easy to use launcher and sworddance as a catcher is so underpowered. Good joke there. Lasting 10minutes lol..how many rounds even go beyond 5mins? I don't think dragoon is the only class who'd have trouble maintaining mp over the span of 10mins. What do you do for 10mins anyways? continuous dash jump till you get nail by sworddance and comboed? Ok you're right, there's some truth in what you said..Dragoon's shortcoming lies in their low mp. Unfortunately mp pots and yogurts are always readily available. Ooooh you mean a 1 vs 1 pvp match where pots are disable..i see i see. So under that ONE circumstance other classes might stand a chance.

[IraizenI]

Dragoons are so underpowered.
Late game PvP is all about lasting 10 minutes. Dragoons have one of the worst INT gains in the game, meaning they'll run out of MP the fastest since they're spamming TR and all these jump cancel skills. I can't believe you guys seriously think dragoons are overpowered when they can barely use like two skills and become utter trash.

With the recent impervious and I think bear nerf, this class has lost hope. There is really no point in playing a dragoon anymore.

Wait.

You're telling us that only after more than 60lvs is that they become trash? Really? Are you for real?
So it is ok for them to be the most overpowered class in the all game just because they will be trash in late game? And whats the reason you call them trash? low MP? REALLY?

Its amazing that they even have ONE downside, thats the very least barunson should do. But then again, like BigC said, there are hardly any games that will last those 10mins.

I say, MP usage should be higher, for all classes, specially dragoons and priests with their constant heal barelly using any mp.