31 replies to this topic

[Droyd]

Overpowered crap that can be spammed to no end.

[Myzery]

FORUMS ARE UP, TIME TO GO COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S EASY TO COUNTER.

[Fibrizzo]

I MISSED SO MUCH THE NERF-QQ-TOPICS!!!!! Hurray for forums up again!!

[Braska]

Shadowform is easy to counter so idk what you're QQing about. Manhole on the other hand is abit OP, but ill tell you what heim told me. "Shadowchasers are supposed to be annoying."

[GuardianTK]

In end-game situations, you won't see a Chaser kill anyone either. So it really is their job to be annoying people who's job is to disable others in WoE. It's your own fault if you end up killing yourself because you decided to attack a Shadow Forming Chaser.

[Trixdee]

lol at first I thought SCs were really OP but they don't really seem so op now they are just supposed to be disablers.

[Viri]

Man I missed bad posters making retarded threads about skills that aren't OP but they're too stupid to counter so they call them OP. Lovely <3

[Kimmy]

I just want to post here 'cause viri did.

[Braska]

If you see a person shadow form, your first reaction should be to stop hitting him. Just saying. If you're a GX you should prob stop CTRL Clicking

Edited by Braska, 24 March 2011 - 03:15 PM.

[Kimmy]

Braska makes this up.

What you SHOULD do, is continue to hit them without a weapon until dead.

[Viri]

If you see a shadow chaser just put in the cheat code... alt-f4. Works every time.

[Braska]

Braska makes this up.

What you SHOULD do, is continue to hit them without a weapon until dead.

Dammit, now everyone is going to be -_-ing elite because you told them the secret =/

[Kimmy]

If you see a shadow chaser just put in the cheat code... alt-f4. Works every time.

Did that in labs once. I still died.

I slow.

[Kinnay]

Prevent use against players on non WoE/PVP maps. Instantly fixed.

[Myzery]

Prevent use against players on non WoE/PVP maps. Instantly fixed.

That's not even what the OP was complaining about, but I disagree with removing it on any map.
It's got just as many positive things that it can be used for.

[Braska]

it's already disabled in most maps, but could be wrong. The only thing that isn't disabled is Dimension Door and Chaos Panic

[Kimmy]

I currently don't play, but I'm already tired of things being disabled in certain places. Grow a pair, pansies.

[Ralis]

Manhole yes, Shadow Form no.

Shadow Form has a TON of downsides if you're not being a moron.

Manhole just sucks period, especially in Battlegrounds. xD

[Misery]

disable manhole+warp portal crap?
lost exp due to that on 149 and the guy does it over and over again
or just disable manhole completly everywhere exept in woe

[iCandy]

If you see a shadow chaser just put in the cheat code... alt-f4. Works every time.

+1

[LordVader]

That's not even what the OP was complaining about, but I disagree with removing it on any map.
It's got just as many positive things that it can be used for.

Kinnay was suggesting that these skills not work on PLAYERS outside of woe/pvp environments. Which makes PERFECT sense in all aspects as it's only purpose outside of woe/pvp is to grief other players (when used on other players). If SC wants to use these skills on others then allow on their party members only and NOT other people to keep them from comping for MVP's or grief their leveling. SF and Manhole should function in the SAME way as Soul Exhale in all aspects related outside of woe/pvp.

[IronFist]

i dont like the fact u can be manholed for hours on end, it comes down to how long will this shadow-chaser keep man-holing me before he attempts to kill me, from my experience ... he wont stop >>

as for shadow form... well i got to kill my guild leader that one time >> but its a counter/deathbound it should have a downside, sortof a bite you in the ass aspect

[akosinico]

lulz

[Miii]

Meh, time to complain.

[SethTheSecond]

Shadowform is completely fine. Do not touch it. Manhole however needs a bit of tweaking. Like what other people said above, Manhole needs to be changed in PVM and non-woe situations so that it DOES NOT affect players outside of pvp and woe except on party members in your party.

And this is a bit of personal gripe, but i would like people already in a manhole be immune to being affected by another manhole, and you cannot cast another manhole on top of the 3x3 cells of another manhole. However, doing this will require other disabling skills to be tweaked a bit, just to be fair, like white imprison. Make it so that you cannot cast white imprison on a already white imprisoned target.

On the topic of nerfing, Why hasn't mandragora howl been looked at right now? 50% of MAX sp seems a bit rediculous, considering 2 mandragora howls successfully applied to a target will make them drop to 0 sp without question. And this is a FULL SCREEN effect type skill. The resistance against it is completely laughable that you might as well just use it again to get past the average 20% resistance you can get to it. It's a skill with a natural chance of 85 (or 75% chance), with it being reduced by vit and luk at a 0.1% per point. Even with the resistance, you still have a whopping 65 or 55% chance of being affected by it regardless.
I propose that mandragora howl instead does the following effects: Reduce 50% of CURRENT sp on affected targets. Apply a 0.5 second fixed cast time to all skills, and Slow casting level 5 (which will stack up with the 0.5 seconds fixed to increase it to 1 second). That way slow casting will then be further effective on targets with already fixed cast time on their skills, and less effective on those who do not depend on skill casting as much. To balance this out, the Fixed casting formula will need to be tweaked, and ESPECIALLY LOOKED OVER FOR 3-2 classes, considering the majority of 3-2 classes don't have much in the way of fixed cast time.
Oh and edit the resistance to mandragora howling to be 0.2% per point of vit and luk (so targets with 100 vit and luk will get a 40% resistance to mandragora howling, reducing it to a much more feasable 35-45%). To balance it, Double the drop rates of mandragora pots worldwide, so that you can get more of it easily.

Edited by SethTheSecond, 25 March 2011 - 10:07 AM.