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[StijnDP]

Actually yeoldknight is right.
I've been getting a few lisents from guardian type monsters on the OT as well. I only got Lisent Al and not as many as he did but still...
At least one drop came from the Stone Falcon Guardian (the one with the bow) and they certainly aren't bosses.
Most did come from the Stone Berserker Guardians though and those are "leader" types

You must have been mistaken or cheating. Lisents aren't supposed to drop from archer type guardian.
I tought everyone knew guardians are the best spot to farm lisents at this moment :/. You can get +200 lisents/hour if you take medal of retrievel and let an aoe bourg go on a rampage in B3.

[StijnDP]

OK...I *TOTALLY* do not agree that people should be able to go to orlo without doing the quest. At least I *think* thats the case? Some kid the other day wanted a teleticket because he didn't know how else to get to orlo and told me he had never done the quest.

People should have to have done the quest at least once before a teleticket works...

As far as i know, you do need to do the quest. When you look at the teleporter it says something about that you need the key to muris. Since you can only get that key from going to muris at least once, I don't think just anyone can get there.



Buuuuuuuuut. I'm against the quest. I've done it on 4characters and it's an agony. And I'm not an-_- who thinks everyone should do it just because I had a terrible time doing them.
Make quest for Orlo easier or at least make it party friendly with shared item drops for everyone in the party. At least that will get some more population to Orlo.

Delete all UW items from game, let people go to Orlo easier and artisans will start to feel usefull again + Orlo won't be empty.

[LadyPsyber]

As far as i know, you do need to do the quest. When you look at the teleporter it says something about that you need the key to muris. Since you can only get that key from going to muris at least once, I don't think just anyone can get there.



Buuuuuuuuut. I'm against the quest. I've done it on 4characters and it's an agony. And I'm not an-_- who thinks everyone should do it just because I had a terrible time doing them.
Make quest for Orlo easier or at least make it party friendly with shared item drops for everyone in the party. At least that will get some more population to Orlo.

Delete all UW items from game, let people go to Orlo easier and artisans will start to feel usefull again + Orlo won't be empty.

Well I think you can go to orlo without the quest, just not all the way into Muris.(that needs a quest). Even though the quest is long and arduous, it's one of those things that should be done in order to qualify you for orlo. First time i did it was tough. Second time it was a little long but fine. I feel that you should have to be to wherever you warp to first in order to like remember it or something. People warping right to orlo without the quest rips a huge part out of the natural progression of the game.(god only knows how long it took the devs to make that quest...a year? )

[LordAlbion]

OK...I *TOTALLY* do not agree that people should be able to go to orlo without doing the quest. At least I *think* thats the case? Some kid the other day wanted a teleticket because he didn't know how else to get to orlo and told me he had never done the quest.

People should have to have done the quest at least once before a teleticket works...

I dont mean that you should use tele ticket and get to orlo without having to do quest, I was only saying that ONCE on Orlo, you should have scrolls..like on every other major map.

[yeoldknight]

and if hp/mp items have to drop, make them a secondary drop, such as vital waters were, when they would fall while killing sub boss, leaders, bosses, etc. and put normal drops back into game!!!!

What makes you NEED to type that much? I'm too lazy to even read it <.<

[PigGoesQuack]

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Lmao.

[StijnDP]

Well I think you can go to orlo without the quest, just not all the way into Muris.(that needs a quest). Even though the quest is long and arduous, it's one of those things that should be done in order to qualify you for orlo. First time i did it was tough. Second time it was a little long but fine. I feel that you should have to be to wherever you warp to first in order to like remember it or something. People warping right to orlo without the quest rips a huge part out of the natural progression of the game.(god only knows how long it took the devs to make that quest...a year? )

Do it with a cleric. Then say how fine it is without the ability to kill anything even remotely fast.

[LadyPsyber]

Do it with a cleric. Then say how fine it is without the ability to kill anything even remotely fast.

Original intent of the temple was for it to be done in parties. I've done it solo with a mage and an Artisan. Maybe if your cleric can't outdo my screwed up artisan(had no idea what was what and had crappy out of level gear then), you should ask around and re-spek it so it's useful?

[Gojio]

Do it with a cleric. Then say how fine it is without the ability to kill anything even remotely fast.

Clerics arent supposed to be killing machines, you can't complain about that...The quest is fine, at lvl 180 those mobs die in a heartbeat. I even made it with my FS cleric (unrefined gear unrefined wand) and it was slower but fine.

Edited by Gojio, 14 April 2011 - 05:50 AM.

[SlappyTheMac]

Maybe once per account....I have like 10 180+ characters and I'd kill myself if I had to do that quest that many times.

[LordAlbion]

Maybe once per account....I have like 10 180+ characters and I'd kill myself if I had to do that quest that many times.

better get your gun ready then....

Edited by LordAlbion, 14 April 2011 - 10:04 AM.

[StijnDP]

Original intent of the temple was for it to be done in parties. I've done it solo with a mage and an Artisan. Maybe if your cleric can't outdo my screwed up artisan(had no idea what was what and had crappy out of level gear then), you should ask around and re-spek it so it's useful?

Clerics arent supposed to be killing machines, you can't complain about that...The quest is fine, at lvl 180 those mobs die in a heartbeat. I even made it with my FS cleric (unrefined gear unrefined wand) and it was slower but fine.

I'm not one of those clerics who want to learn IM skills, then reset and then spend 211sp on attack skills. I consider it cheating (and I hope they ban all clerics who do that) + that way I can never go to Zant and buff noobs in the weekends.
But even if I would abuse that bug like so many other clerics, clerics still stay extremely weak to kill things.

I had luck to attack something with my cleric and then alt+tab and kill it with my artisan who was leveling with her. But I've allready helped multiple other clerics for hours just so that they could finish orlo quest + wayfinder quest + muris key quest.
You talk about mobs in OT at lvl180 but I'm talking about monsters on orlo which take ages to kill with a cleric at lvl200.

And don't complain about artisans because you didn't know better. An artisan is the most (over)powerfull class after champ.



And yes I'll complain about clerics not being able to kill. Diversity is a good thing in rose and it was better when you could either make FS clerics or dex clerics who were average on attacking.
If they make drops shared over the party I don't care. But right now the only real option for a cleric is to buff people + heal people in a party and you should also get quest drops for that job.

Edited by StijnDP, 14 April 2011 - 12:36 PM.

[Gojio]

I'm not one of those clerics who want to learn IM skills, then reset and then spend 211sp on attack skills. I consider it cheating (and I hope they ban all clerics who do that) + that way I can never go to Zant and buff noobs in the weekends.
But even if I would abuse that bug like so many other clerics, clerics still stay extremely weak to kill things.

I had luck to attack something with my cleric and then alt+tab and kill it with my artisan who was leveling with her. But I've allready helped multiple other clerics for hours just so that they could finish orlo quest + wayfinder quest + muris key quest.
You talk about mobs in OT at lvl180 but I'm talking about monsters on orlo which take ages to kill with a cleric at lvl200.

And don't complain about artisans because you didn't know better. An artisan is the most (over)powerfull class after champ.



And yes I'll complain about clerics not being able to kill. Diversity is a good thing in rose and it was better when you could either make FS clerics or dex clerics who were average on attacking.
If they make drops shared over the party I don't care. But right now the only real option for a cleric is to buff people + heal people in a party and you should also get quest drops for that job.

I never talked about IM skills, did I?
And no lol, Artisans aren't overpowered at all. They just have a sleep and that 100% stun grenade that helps a lot(which should be kinda fixed imo). Other than that they have nothing.

Just get a party, hit the quest mobs first and let others finish them off. That way it's easier and you get proofs.

Btw, it's not like the whole system should change just to let you go buff noobs in the weekends lol.

[LadyPsyber]

I'm not one of those clerics who want to learn IM skills, then reset and then spend 211sp on attack skills. I consider it cheating (and I hope they ban all clerics who do that) + that way I can never go to Zant and buff noobs in the weekends.
But even if I would abuse that bug like so many other clerics, clerics still stay extremely weak to kill things.

that's kind of why they have those nice reset books...they want you to reset between killer and buffer. Many people in the game demand the ability to kill once in a while instead of just buffing.

I had luck to attack something with my cleric and then alt+tab and kill it with my artisan who was leveling with her. But I've allready helped multiple other clerics for hours just so that they could finish orlo quest + wayfinder quest + muris key quest.
You talk about mobs in OT at lvl180 but I'm talking about monsters on orlo which take ages to kill with a cleric at lvl200.

And don't complain about artisans because you didn't know better. An artisan is the most (over)powerfull class after champ.

i see clerics absolutely owning mobs on orlo...perhaps your gear and set up are not optimal for you soloing?

As for Artisans, try UW with one sometime...if you can't get the right opponent 1v1 you spend lots of time flat on the ground. Very low defence against most classes...grenades are nice and are really necessary if you don't want to spend ALL the time on the ground. Definitely not overpowered or high on the list of stone cold killers.


And yes I'll complain about clerics not being able to kill. Diversity is a good thing in rose and it was better when you could either make FS clerics or dex clerics who were average on attacking.
If they make drops shared over the party I don't care. But right now the only real option for a cleric is to buff people + heal people in a party and you should also get quest drops for that job.

[StijnDP]

And no lol, Artisans aren't overpowered at all. They just have a sleep and that 100% stun grenade that helps a lot(which should be kinda fixed imo). Other than that they have nothing.

Are you sure you have an artisan man? Next to champs/mages, they are the quickest killers in this game. 5800AP with 160% aspd is crazy and shouldn't be possible on an artisan. No idea why you would stop auto attack by using useless hypno or grenades.
Can't imagina what my artisans would do with the best gear + fairy + aura buff :/

[Gojio]

Are you sure you have an artisan man? Next to champs/mages, they are the quickest killers in this game. 5800AP with 160% aspd is crazy and shouldn't be possible on an artisan. No idea why you would stop auto attack by using useless hypno or grenades.
Can't imagina what my artisans would do with the best gear + fairy + aura buff :/

Because ur def is low, one stun and a few hits from a champ\skills from a mage\cloak by raider and ur dead. If you know how to beat anyone without using Hypno or the stun Grenades, dude ur the best player ingame.

[StijnDP]

Because ur def is low, one stun and a few hits from a champ\skills from a mage\cloak by raider and ur dead. If you know how to beat anyone without using Hypno or the stun Grenades, dude ur the best player ingame.

You're aware that
1) I don't care about PvP
2) Developers don't care about PvP
3) No Rose version ever cared about PvP
?

Why are you even complaining about PvP in a topic about PvM... Players don't drop lisents. This is about Orlo and the many other drops in the worls that are too weird.

[CharasX]

You're aware that
1) I don't care about PvP
2) Developers don't care about PvP
3) No Rose version ever cared about PvP
?

Why are you even complaining about PvP in a topic about PvM... Players don't drop lisents. This is about Orlo and the many other drops in the worls that are too weird.

hmm why would you refine your gears past 10... so why would you use lisents, if it s not for a pvp purpose? you need ref 15 gears to take down a scavenger packleader or smthing?

And get your facts straigth, some ppl on Rose couldn't care less about the pvp, but a lot does, most of the server are heavily pvp based, and NaRose itself had several pvp tournaments and has always encouraged the pvp aspect of the game thro pvp maps giving advantages compared to pure pve maps.

Don't talk like if you were Mister Brighty when u know nothing about rose.


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Drop tables are completly messy and it has no sense... jelly king dropping lisent Na, but no lisent that would drop from normal mobs on orlo? what sort of illicit products your dev team took before they came with those incredible ideas Zepplin and Corvus?

Seriously WTF lol

[Gojio]

You're aware that
1) I don't care about PvP
2) Developers don't care about PvP
3) No Rose version ever cared about PvP
?

Why are you even complaining about PvP in a topic about PvM... Players don't drop lisents. This is about Orlo and the many other drops in the worls that are too weird.

Lol, clearly you know nothing about Rose, as Charas mentioned. Why would DoD, Junon CF, Luna CF, Sikuku Ruins and Gates of Muris be PvP maps if they didn't care about PvP? Why's there a Training Ground open 24\7 and why are there Union Wars 12 times a day? Sorry but to me it seems that PvP is the essential aspect of Rose. And it's been like that in all the Rose versions.

[LordAlbion]

Actually StijnDP is right , in my opinion, ROSE is totally unsuited for pvp. You can see a clear example of this by the way skills cannot balance between pvp and pvm. Continually "tweaking" (ROFL, more like -up) skills to accomodate pvp is a serious issue. All the cooldowns.....discussions about how one class is op...endless bitching by a FEW people. Unfortunatly, its like real life, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

And to get back on topic Drops seem to still be messed up, on Orlo at least. I should be able to post more detailed info later on so zep can do his daily reporting to devs.

Edited by LordAlbion, 15 April 2011 - 10:21 AM.

[Gojio]

Actually StijnDP is right , in my opinion, ROSE is totally unsuited for pvp. You can see a clear example of this by the way skills cannot balance between pvp and pvm. Continually "tweaking" (ROFL, more like -up) skills to accomodate pvp is a serious issue. All the cooldowns.....discussions about how one class is op...endless bitching by a FEW people. Unfortunatly, its like real life, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

And to get back on topic Drops seem to still be messed up, on Orlo at least. I should be able to post more detailed info later on so zep can do his daily reporting to devs.

Like you need "skills" to kill mobs? they all die in 3 shots.

[Zeppelin]

Check out the ROSE Drop Information thread I just posted. It helps explain some of the drop behaviors and may make it a bit easier to understand the new system. As always, let us know what you think (preferably in that thread).