We want Convex Mirrors on Ymir.
#76
Posted 08 April 2011 - 09:10 AM
#77
Posted 08 April 2011 - 09:52 AM
Now all these flat out NOOBS who don't want to put in the effort for some of the BEST stuff in the game want the easy way out. They don't want to work hard and keep track of spawn times like all of us did pre-kafra shop. They just want to pop a mirror and run directly to an MVP, while others who teleport around, who scour the map for the boss, who want to EARN the glory of defeating that boss get screwed out of it. I'm sorry, but people who use those mirrors don't deserve any reward that comes from it. They don't deserve to get those super MVP cards like GTB, White Lady, Maya, Dark Lord, Valk, etc. They don't deserve to have gear empowered with super abilities because they just paid for the easy way while the rest of us who spent countless hours, weeks, or months trying to get the same thing. I bet these people that want Mirrors have no clue what it's like to watch a clock just to make sure they get on their character in Culverts 4 just so they could be the first to try and take down GTB against someone. They have no clue what it's like to give up prime leveling with their guildmates, so that all of them can take off to Odin's and take on Valk Randgris for the Valk set. Honestly, if they want easy mode, they can have all the mirrors they want on Valk Server where it's been that way.
While they do that, the rest of us can enjoy our MVP wars, and take pride in the fruits of our labor.
#78
Posted 08 April 2011 - 10:21 AM
#79
Posted 08 April 2011 - 10:42 AM
So tldr, I don't want them at all. Even though I'm on Valk, I don't want to see this kind of demoralizing thing in the gameplay to happen on Ymir.
I'd guess the best compromise would be: Make it so the Convexes only display the spawn timer(Whether the MVP is out yet or how long it'll be until the MVP spawns), but don't include the MVP locator. Now that I would be satisfied with.
Edited by GuardianTK, 08 April 2011 - 10:43 AM.
#80
Posted 08 April 2011 - 11:28 AM
Convex Mirrors shouldn't even see the light of day on Ymir. Ymir is full of old school players who WORKED to battle MVPs, even if they had jobs or didn't. These people posted on their guild forums to say when it was killed, and let others in their guild know when it was out, so that they could have a chance to jump in and kill it. MVPs are supposed to be one of the pinnacles of this game, taking in your hours of grinding to power your character up so you can take on one of the toughest monsters in the game. And when you kill an MVP and outdid a bunch of other people for it, it's called basking in the fruits of your labor.
Now all these flat out NOOBS who don't want to put in the effort for some of the BEST stuff in the game want the easy way out. They don't want to work hard and keep track of spawn times like all of us did pre-kafra shop. They just want to pop a mirror and run directly to an MVP, while others who teleport around, who scour the map for the boss, who want to EARN the glory of defeating that boss get screwed out of it. I'm sorry, but people who use those mirrors don't deserve any reward that comes from it. They don't deserve to get those super MVP cards like GTB, White Lady, Maya, Dark Lord, Valk, etc. They don't deserve to have gear empowered with super abilities because they just paid for the easy way while the rest of us who spent countless hours, weeks, or months trying to get the same thing. I bet these people that want Mirrors have no clue what it's like to watch a clock just to make sure they get on their character in Culverts 4 just so they could be the first to try and take down GTB against someone. They have no clue what it's like to give up prime leveling with their guildmates, so that all of them can take off to Odin's and take on Valk Randgris for the Valk set. Honestly, if they want easy mode, they can have all the mirrors they want on Valk Server where it's been that way.
While they do that, the rest of us can enjoy our MVP wars, and take pride in the fruits of our labor.
so while i'm teleing around looking for an mvp, and you're there and are teleing around looking for the mvp and you find it first and kill it. meanwhile i'm still tele'ing around. are you proud of yourself for finding it first? what competition did you have? none. 'bask in your fruits of labour' you beat me because you got a lucky tele.
#81
Posted 08 April 2011 - 11:34 AM
With all the gear your guild has access to, I don't think you should be having a problem with mvps, even without convexs.
#82
Posted 08 April 2011 - 11:37 AM
so while i'm teleing around looking for an mvp, and you're there and are teleing around looking for the mvp and you find it first and kill it. meanwhile i'm still tele'ing around. are you proud of yourself for finding it first? what competition did you have? none. 'bask in your fruits of labour' you beat me because you got a lucky tele.
Stop being lazy and acutal find it,like what people did before there was even such an item.
#83
Posted 08 April 2011 - 11:53 AM
#84
Posted 08 April 2011 - 12:01 PM
so while i'm teleing around looking for an mvp, and you're there and are teleing around looking for the mvp and you find it first and kill it. meanwhile i'm still tele'ing around. are you proud of yourself for finding it first? what competition did you have? none. 'bask in your fruits of labour' you beat me because you got a lucky tele.
Stop being lazy and acutal find it,like what people did before there was even such an item.
EXACTLY!!! When we did it before, there was also the Luck factor. Yeah if I'm teleporting and you're teleporting around, and I find it first, then yeah I'll be happy because I beat you!, But the same is the other way around. If you get to the MVP first before I do and you kill it when I finally show up, kudos to you. This is what we did before Convex Mirrors were even conceived, and guess what, we did it for a good 6, 7, 8 years and still kept going. it was a battle to be the fastest one to get to the MVP, to hope any competition didnt' know when the spawn was, and to hope you could kill it before anyone else knew. All because you took those steps to go out and search for the MVP, to log what time it was killed, to KNOW when the spawn times were, and to make sure you had people ready to go in order to kill it. That's how people got GTB cards because they kept an eye on the moment GTB died and stayed on that time religiously. The moment spawn came up, they were down there hunting that bug and would do anything to get it first. That's how people got to monopolize Valk Gear. They kept up with Valk's spawn time, they had their people ready to go at her spawn, and when they killed her they cashed in on the drops.
All in all dude...THEY WORKED FOR IT AND EARNED THEIR SPOILS! They didn't take some easy pansy way of popping a mirror and saying "oh there it is. I'll just go kill it and it'll tell me everything I need to know."
Like I said, Ymir is full of EXPERIENCED Chaos, Loki, Iris players from the Old School who know what they're doing, who know how things work, and who know what it was like to grind it out so they could be the best, and we'd like to keep things that way, thank you. So like Puppet said, quit being lazy and work for your MVP wins. Everyone else on Ymir did and we had no problems doing it again if it came down to it.
#85
Posted 08 April 2011 - 12:03 PM
Here in Valkyrie, people use Convex so they can kill it for
Convex mirror ~_~
Edited by Dukeares, 08 April 2011 - 12:03 PM.
#86
Posted 08 April 2011 - 12:03 PM
no xellie i havent been on a losing spree =( just in this thread xD
I think you're fine without them! I'm sure Majeh has a stash anyway - but go dominate a real mvp, you shouldn't be bothered about anything that will die in one shot. Mirrors are only marginally helpful at best on those.
#87
Posted 08 April 2011 - 12:09 PM
The point is: to make money. Gravity is a business and they are trying to make money and putting convex mirrors will generate revenue.
It would cost them what?
10 dollars for the 30 minutes of labor to put it in the store and people would buy them for
1 dollar for 10 mirrors and
say they want to use them every 2 hours (10 mirrors a day).
a 10 dollar investment for 1 dollar a day.
just from ONE person they will get their return on investment in just 10 days.
#88
Posted 08 April 2011 - 12:15 PM
#89
Posted 08 April 2011 - 12:18 PM
so while i'm teleing around looking for an mvp, and you're there and are teleing around looking for the mvp and you find it first and kill it. meanwhile i'm still tele'ing around. are you proud of yourself for finding it first? what competition did you have? none. 'bask in your fruits of labour' you beat me because you got a lucky tele.
Would you be proud of yourself killing an MVP in one or two hits with gods items, while knowing where it is immediately? Your own words "what competition did you have? none."
That's not any kind of labor either. Your points seem really invalid and you want the mirrors for selfish reasons.
Edited by Myzery, 08 April 2011 - 12:19 PM.
#90
Posted 08 April 2011 - 12:27 PM
Edited by Ryukke, 08 April 2011 - 12:29 PM.
#91
Posted 08 April 2011 - 12:30 PM
um if mirrors go in the kafra shop, everyone will have access to them. other people with god items will come comp.
You assume that everyone has god items. Ymir is saturated with so many god items, no one else could compete.
In my experience, people with god items and really good gear usually get lazy and tend to want things like this to help crutch their laziness.
I think it's fine the way it is.
#92
Posted 08 April 2011 - 12:52 PM
its like "enter map - use mirror - found mvp - dead ( coz someone is there with mirror ) <-- its not about who get it 1st.. its like actually ur paying just to spend the mirrors with nothing.. i spend like 5 to 6 mirrors w/o mvping.. just seeing them dead already.. or even when i w8 for the mins remaining just 1 wing from your competitor and he can kill it fast..
and its just being lazy.. but if they implement the mvp time of death it would be nice.. and more people will mvp with parties.. most in valk just solo mvps.. they dont party with it anymore.. no fun at all
#93
Posted 08 April 2011 - 12:56 PM
Edited by Myzery, 08 April 2011 - 12:57 PM.
#94
Posted 08 April 2011 - 01:42 PM
#95
Posted 08 April 2011 - 02:01 PM
Gravity should make this a vote for all servers. Not just single out one, since some people are coming from other servers and saying they don't want them.
Honestly, I want more lottery chances or just some easier way of getting Battleground badges since trying to organize THAT is difficult. NOT KvM, Tierra and Flav. I would love for something to be done with Kafra Shop for this, lottery chances are few an' far between, and earning badges is really a pain.
Edited by ash03, 08 April 2011 - 02:02 PM.
#96
Posted 08 April 2011 - 02:29 PM
Convex Mirrors shouldn't even see the light of day on Ymir. Ymir is full of old school players who WORKED to battle MVPs, even if they had jobs or didn't. These people posted on their guild forums to say when it was killed, and let others in their guild know when it was out, so that they could have a chance to jump in and kill it. MVPs are supposed to be one of the pinnacles of this game, taking in your hours of grinding to power your character up so you can take on one of the toughest monsters in the game. And when you kill an MVP and outdid a bunch of other people for it, it's called basking in the fruits of your labor.
Now all these flat out NOOBS who don't want to put in the effort for some of the BEST stuff in the game want the easy way out. They don't want to work hard and keep track of spawn times like all of us did pre-kafra shop. They just want to pop a mirror and run directly to an MVP, while others who teleport around, who scour the map for the boss, who want to EARN the glory of defeating that boss get screwed out of it. I'm sorry, but people who use those mirrors don't deserve any reward that comes from it. They don't deserve to get those super MVP cards like GTB, White Lady, Maya, Dark Lord, Valk, etc. They don't deserve to have gear empowered with super abilities because they just paid for the easy way while the rest of us who spent countless hours, weeks, or months trying to get the same thing. I bet these people that want Mirrors have no clue what it's like to watch a clock just to make sure they get on their character in Culverts 4 just so they could be the first to try and take down GTB against someone. They have no clue what it's like to give up prime leveling with their guildmates, so that all of them can take off to Odin's and take on Valk Randgris for the Valk set. Honestly, if they want easy mode, they can have all the mirrors they want on Valk Server where it's been that way.
While they do that, the rest of us can enjoy our MVP wars, and take pride in the fruits of our labor.
Yeah, how about all the cards flooding the server from the "noobs" bloody branching huh? Like that was never "un-balanced", killing 30-40 MVPs in less than an hour.
In other words, get over yourself. You are just shaking in your pants because you might get competition that can out MVP you.
#97
Posted 08 April 2011 - 03:22 PM
Yeah, how about all the cards flooding the server from the "noobs" bloody branching huh? Like that was never "un-balanced", killing 30-40 MVPs in less than an hour.
In other words, get over yourself. You are just shaking in your pants because you might get competition that can out MVP you.
The whole game is full of unbalances already no need to add to the unbalanced mess.
#98
Posted 08 April 2011 - 11:03 PM
#99
Posted 08 April 2011 - 11:19 PM
#100
Posted 08 April 2011 - 11:32 PM
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