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[JAYRAD]

see title

[Fibrizzo]

I agree with you. Sura is zerling as Arch Bishop is Ultralisc or even better: Warlock Battlecruiser.

Yes.

[JAYRAD]

fibrizzo, can you please refrain from posting in my thread? youve got a roflcopter in your sig ffs

[Fibrizzo]

I'll stop trolling your thread only with one condition: give me a reason for understand why Suras aren't OP.

I'm requesting only one, it isn't hard xD

[JAYRAD]

average hp pool

[ichigank]

needs more Nuclear Launch Detected.

[Puppet]

People probably think it cause of all the sura's that go arround using dbl betls and +9 kvm fist and +9 maces.Sura is no more op then then genetics and there damn plants they can spam. but honestly there alot of unbalance broken things since renewal

iRo was unbalance before renewal, and it just as unbalance now after renewal. there are people that will argue it is not balance but there just as many that will argue it is unbalanced.

Edited by Puppet, 08 April 2011 - 03:16 PM.

[Susan]

I'll stop trolling your thread only with one condition: give me a reason for understand why Suras aren't OP.

I'm requesting only one, it isn't hard xD

They do not have Carts!

[JAYRAD]

that's pretty legit, i wish i can have a free 8k cart on my back at all times

[Kadnya]

Better buffs than the new AB buffs. Well, sacra is good.

Averagely, better recovery than the new bishop recovery. Well, clearance is nice, but unlike PP, it can't be instacasted, heal in the same time, be used on yourself, and even more, be used on yourself while stunned/frozen.
iRO easy upgrade (not directly sura's fault, but they are indeed one of the most benefited classes)

SW not working yet so fist still kills me with SW and KE on (that could be my bad, for being a bishop or for being bad). Protecting guardian stones so they die to a fist even with SW on is also sad. Not suras fault, but maybe poor dessign, but still benefitted from SW not being good.

Easy mobbility maybe?

With AoE locking that can't be resisted

GoH bonus being calculated silly...

Knuckle Arrow having a poor dessign considering woe mechanics...

etcs.

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I don't know exactly, but it is a combination of having too many nice different skills on a single class, not having something equal for the others, and poor implementations/dumb mistakes like easy upgrading.

[Fibrizzo]

They do not have Carts!

Ok. I'm satisfied.

[Shino]

a better question would be why do "you" not think sura's are not over powered

[Miii]

Because suras are OP? I dunno, you tell me, maybe im missing something :V

[Furinkazan]

Let's see, able to 1 shot other class.
Best skill combinations.
Best 1 hit skill.
All the best AOE to level with.
Fastest move speed in game with snap.
Best tankability with mental strength.
Can heal
Can Warp
Can teleport

[Nitro]

Bad design.

• Sura can 1 shot max levels characters and boss monsters, unless their target have gear that is not accessible to the average player by a long shot.
• They also have massive AoE crowd Control and better escape than rogues and assassins class.
• On top of that, their 1 shot skill can be instant cast again, which I thought wasn't intended according to the Renewal developers.

I feel as if I've forgotten something...

Edited by Nitro, 08 April 2011 - 06:05 PM.

[Trixdee]

Suras? OP...Naah.....

[Braska]

It's because GT Cure > Clearance

[JAYRAD]

Bad design.

• Sura can 1 shot max levels characters and boss monsters, unless their target have gear that is not accessible to the average player by a long shot.
• They also have massive AoE crowd Control and better escape than rogues and assassins class.
• On top of that, their 1 shot skill can be instant cast again, which I thought wasn't intended according to the Renewal developers.

I feel as if I've forgotten something...

in order to one shot max level characters, they too would need gear that is not accessible to the average player

why do suras need to be compared to the thief class? i dont see what point youre trying to make.

Let's see, able to 1 shot other class.
Best skill combinations.
Best 1 hit skill.
All the best AOE to level with.
Fastest move speed in game with snap.
Best tankability with mental strength.
Can heal
Can Warp
Can teleport

what skill combinations are you talking about? oh you mean like how chasers can manhole you and sf you? or how rgs can use inspiration and use vp to one shot everyone w/o a tao? or how locks can wi people and then use grav field under them? or maybe youre talking about arullo> extreme vacuum> diamond dust> psy wave> earth grave? no, i think you mean how rangers can use warg bit and fire trap in conjunction... even then, i still dont know where youre going with that argument

champs have always had the best 1-shot skill, why should this change? it comes at the same cost only now it REQUIRES a ygg because of the much higher sp pool. so in a sense its even more expensive now to use g-fist than ever.

cart cannon, nuff said

you've obviously never met a geneticist

the last 4 are negligible because they serve no purpose outside of pvm.

Edited by JAYRAD, 08 April 2011 - 06:14 PM.

[Puppet]

It's because GT Cure > Clearance

gt cure dont help with howling and alot of other status effects

[Braska]

it was sarcasm but you go try and tell that to ma gurl Ralis. He hasn't cleane his weave in a while so he might be a little mad.

Edited by Braska, 08 April 2011 - 06:54 PM.

[Kadnya]

Well, GT cure IS better than clearance in many ways:

You can not clearance yourself.
GT cure doesn't have cast time.
Clearance requires you to be on party.
Clearance removes your buffs too.
And clearance does cure howling, but chances is that if you were in the howling too, clearance is going to take a day and half to cast.
You can GT cure while you are statused, but you can not clearance while you are statused.
You can GT cure even if you are flinching from poisons, but you can not clearance if you are flinching, neither clear yourself...
In order to learn clearance, you either need to be high job leveled, or be handicapped and not get sacrament first. In the other hand, GT cure isn't as limiting...

Clearance would be supercool just by removing the only party member limit and enabling casting on yourself. Then you could use clearance as a major debuff, or use if on any ally even if it is not your party member...

[JAYRAD]

still doesnt make sense to me how suras can be op over a supportive skill........

[Kadnya]

It is the combination of skills. Basically

- Strong support skills is ok
- 1 hit Ko moves are ok
- Strong short range attacks is ok
- Strong long range skills are ok
- Dissables are ok
- Nice mobility skills are ok
- All in one class... is not ok.

[GuardianTK]

Add Tiger Cannon to that list. Much better than Soul Siphon by far.

[Recette]

- All in one class... is not ok.

This is the main problem. Strengths are okay, but having strengths across the board and their only downside is "mediocre HP pool"? If anything, their HP pool should be abysmal.