20 replies to this topic

[HeavensGate]

So I'm trying for a SVD build and I would like to know exactly how much should I put into all the skills? I currently have 10 Bowling Bash, 10 Two hand quicken and 5 counter attack. Should I get some spear skills for later on? Help would be appreciated.

[GuardianTK]

Please check the other threads on this forum section for info/references rather than posting a question that's been asked before please.

[HeavensGate]

Yes I have but none are to direct in the answer... Usually not on skills/stats for SDV hybrid build

[GuardianTK]

There is no hybrid build until you're a Rune Knight. If it's an SVD build, it's strictly focused on Str/Vit/Dex. If it's an Agi Knight, you go strictly with a focus on Str/Agi/Dex. Research a little by looking at the other threads. Not everything's on Page 1, obviously.

[HeavensGate]

Thank you. I went to each thread up to page 10 by the way...

[HeavensGate]

Also do you need to spend all your points before trans-ing? Should I max Pierce and spear mastery?

[GuardianTK]

Look, it's been discussed in multiple threads that in Renewal you need adequate dex to hit monsters nowadays. In addition to that, Str no longer plays too major a factor in deciding your damage. When you get to around lv90, monster flee starts to crank up. So you'd need at least 70dex total if you want to hit adequately. It's recommended that you get around 70vit for your hp pool. Str can be around 80+. From here, you can decide on where you want to put the rest of your skill points. It's up to you what you want your final build to look like. Though it's generally good to add some Int to your build for sp recovery. I know I had around 30 total Int in my final build before trans.

Pierce is a useless skill overall. Might as well use Bowling Bash to kill whatever it is you're trying to kill. Max Spear Mastery is recommended. Overall, your main leveling skill is going to be Bowling Bash. You won't be using the other stuff often enough to really have to concern yourself over about.

Yes, you need to spend all of your skill points before you attempt to trans. That doesn't apply to stat points though.

[MrBudd]

There is no hybrid build until you're a Rune Knight. If it's an SVD build, it's strictly focused on Str/Vit/Dex. If it's an Agi Knight, you go strictly with a focus on Str/Agi/Dex. Research a little by looking at the other threads. Not everything's on Page 1, obviously.

A hybrid knight build is entirely a viable option in renewal. I actually made a 2nd RK as a guild enchant blade slave and leveled it as a sAVD knight, it took about 3, maybe 4 days if I recall. Since you don't need that much emphasis on str for raw damage anymore the extra points can easily go into AGI to up your ctrl-click aspd and help speed up bowling bash a bit.

[GuardianTK]

A hybrid knight build is entirely a viable option in renewal. I actually made a 2nd RK as a guild enchant blade slave and leveled it as a sAVD knight, it took about 3, maybe 4 days if I recall. Since you don't need that much emphasis on str for raw damage anymore the extra points can easily go into AGI to up your ctrl-click aspd and help speed up bowling bash a bit.

Maybe I'm biased then, because I honestly don't see how ctrl click melee attacking can help with mob leveling. A Hybrid build RK is possible in my eyes, but it's too foolhardy to try out a hybrid build as a Knight. As an LK it's possible though, considering the small extra stats.

And why make an Enchant Blade slave when obviously they have to 99 a Knight first anyways? o: Oh and...Did you read patch notes? I honest to god hope they don't make Enchant Blade self-buff only. >.>

[MrBudd]

Maybe I'm biased then, because I honestly don't see how ctrl click melee attacking can help with mob leveling. A Hybrid build RK is possible in my eyes, but it's too foolhardy to try out a hybrid build as a Knight. As an LK it's possible though, considering the small extra stats.

And why make an Enchant Blade slave when obviously they have to 99 a Knight first anyways? o: Oh and...Did you read patch notes? I honest to god hope they don't make Enchant Blade self-buff only. >.>

Ctrl-clicking monsters is just another cheap viable way to level when you don't feel like mobbing. Why make an enchant blade slave for my guild? Simple cause i don't feel like enchant blading people on my 150 RK all the time. Besides, getting a lvl 99 Knight is EASY. Wouldn't say it's too fool hardy to make a hybrid knight though. It does add a bit of versatility to the build and not everyone has the money to spam strawberries as BB does eat up what little SP a knight does have.

Although I really hope they don't make enchant blade a self-buff only, I don't really care that much. My EB slave just becomes a BYO-Tank for my noobies.

Edited by MrBudd, 21 April 2011 - 10:41 AM.

[GuardianTK]

Ctrl-clicking monsters is just another cheap viable way to level when you don't feel like mobbing. Why make an enchant blade slave for my guild? Simple cause i don't feel like enchant blading people on my 150 RK all the time. Besides, getting a lvl 99 Knight is EASY. Wouldn't say it's too fool hardy to make a hybrid knight though. It does add a bit of versatility to the build and not everyone has the money to spam strawberries as BB does eat up what little SP a knight does have.

Although I really hope they don't make enchant blade a self-buff only, I don't really care that much. My EB slave just becomes a BYO-Tank for my noobies.

I honestly never had much trouble keeping up sp regen as a Knight as long as I added some Int to my build. Other than an Enchant Blade Slave, making a Priest Slave with Magnificat is almost as efficient, since it saves on zeny as well as keeps up sp.

[MrBudd]

I think you misunderstood my point here. Just saying that it's viable to make a savd build knight and I did it on my enchant blade slave. The EB slave has nothing to do with mobbing things with Bowling Bash.

[GuardianTK]

I think you misunderstood my point here. Just saying that it's viable to make a savd build knight and I did it on my enchant blade slave. The EB slave has nothing to do with mobbing things with Bowling Bash.

My mistake then. D:<

[kati3]

Pierce is a useless skill overall.

Its not useless, with a fire property spear I was doing around 3k pierce at GH on my BABY. Thats 7sp x 2 to kill one monster as agi knight since your SP pool is limited compared to 22sp of BB.

See damage at the near the end of the video.
http://forums.warppo...entures-of-iro/

Edited by kati3, 22 April 2011 - 10:19 AM.

[GuardianTK]

Its not useless, with a fire property spear I was doing around 3k pierce at GH on my BABY. Thats 7sp x 2 to kill one monster as agi knight since your SP pool is limited compared to 22sp of BB.

That's not going to kill many monsters in the long run when you get to a higher level. Dark Priests have around 12k hp. One BB and a single melee attack is enough to kill a Dark Priest(Assuming you're using Fire Endow/Weapon), whilst having to use 4 Pierce to kill one(Assuming you're only doing 3k per Pierce described from Fire Endow/Weapon, in the case of Dark Priest's who are Medium size resulting in x2 hits instead of the full 3 hits.). When monsters start getting higher hp mod, it's much more efficient to rely on BB. Then there's the case of using it on Small size monsters, which will result in only 1 out of 3 hits. 3 total hits on Large monsters still isn't going to be as efficient as using a single BB and a few melee to kill them.

And why would you use a Spear as an Agi Knight? O.o

[kati3]

That's not going to kill many monsters in the long run when you get to a higher level. Dark Priests have around 12k hp. One BB and a single melee attack is enough to kill a Dark Priest(Assuming you're using Fire Endow/Weapon), whilst having to use 4 Pierce to kill one(Assuming you're only doing 3k per Pierce described from Fire Endow/Weapon, in the case of Dark Priest's who are Medium size resulting in x2 hits instead of the full 3 hits.). When monsters start getting higher hp mod, it's much more efficient to rely on BB. Then there's the case of using it on Small size monsters, which will result in only 1 out of 3 hits. 3 total hits on Large monsters still isn't going to be as efficient as using a single BB and a few melee to kill them.

And why would you use a Spear as an Agi Knight? O.o

peirce is faster on wraith/ evil druid than ctrl-click... BB is faster when there are mobs of dark priest.

[GuardianTK]

peirce is faster on wraith/ evil druid than ctrl-click... BB is faster when there are mobs of dark priest.

No, I'm saying the moment you use Bowling Bash you're able to simultaneously ctrl click a monster right after using the skill for a mini-combo attack. All you'd need is one more hit or two to kill them.

[kati3]

No, I'm saying the moment you use Bowling Bash you're able to simultaneously ctrl click a monster right after using the skill for a mini-combo attack. All you'd need is one more hit or two to kill them.

Bleurgh! NOW GET ON RO AND LVL THE BABY.

[GuardianTK]

Bleurgh! NOW GET ON RO AND LVL THE BABY.

Yes, honey. o_o

[NeoJC]

what does SDV stands for ? x_x

[HRdevil]

Strenght, Dex, Vit