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[BloodyRuby]

It's quite difficult to find any skilled players that are not in the least bit stacked, whether it be weapon or armors. Unfortunately, it doesn't work the other way around.

or OP cause of class

Edited by BloodyRuby, 30 December 2010 - 09:00 PM.

[Yurai]

or OP cause of class

That has no correlation with skill.

[Severfang]

Well Hawk is actually pretty GOOD at pvp (you can tell by his playing style without the aas spam). If you notice most pros in higher lvls or even in the lvls 40s-50s are decently stacked, if not very stacked. Of course people are going to be hard to kill at a certain point but that's because they need to stay ALIVE and not get killed by others early on, but I do know what u mean when mentioning noobs with stacked gear *coughcough*WhiteniteXRyouXMysticbowX*coughcough* that certainly is a problem @_@

well, honestly i never saw any sort of skill as all he did was aas spam against me, and i dont aas spam (i was on a 47 pathfinder), and he said, "i only aas fegs like you"
and he aas spammed against my knight who was 38 at the time, didnt stop an easy win tho :/
i do recognize skill when i see it, i just havent seen it lately, there are some incredible gladiators tho >_>

[BloodyRuby]

That has no correlation with skill.

Tell me what is skill for a paladin then

No parry
No impervious
No Spin it Bear
No Tear Armor
No revenge and no lock [obviously]

So do paladins have to be deemed skillful by winning with spear jab, cross cut and lucky dodges?

[Severfang]

Tell me what is skill for a paladin then

No parry
No impervious
No Spin it Bear
No Tear Armor
No revenge and no lock [obviously]

So do paladins have to be deemed skillful by winning with spear jab, cross cut and lucky dodges?

spin it bear is as legit as gatling gun -> launch, armor break is as legit as bleed, and using skills once per combo is not a lock, just sayin

Edited by Severfang, 30 December 2010 - 09:25 PM.

[Thuy]

So do paladins have to be deemed skillful by winning with spear jab, cross cut and lucky dodges?

parry and impervious, are defensive skills that gives you a big advantage in a 1v1. "lucky dodges" dashing to dodge takes more skills than a block (15% without parry 32% with parry).

the way pallies skills work there's a high chance that 1 hit from any of their skill will end up in a full combo.

Edited by Thuy, 30 December 2010 - 09:36 PM.

[Paxon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oonjGf_DDJw

If I have to hear that song 1 more time in a video I'm gonna kill someone

[Severfang]

parry and impervious, are defensive skills that gives you a big advantage in a 1v1. "lucky dodges" dashing to dodge takes more skills than a block (15% without parry 32% with parry).

the way pallies skills work there's a high chance that 1 hit from any of their skill will end up in a full combo.

the point was those skills are cheapness in pvp x.x at least i think thats what it was

[BloodyRuby]

My point is that a Paladin cannot ever be deemed skillful unless they reduce themselves to only 3-4 skills.
[all attacks] and by that time I would find it amazing if a Paladin legitimately wins a PvP match with someone of the same level and PvP "skills"

[and I'm talking about none-stacked paladins, not Dragoons with 6k+ attack or DEF]

Edit: Kinda goes back to Sheol's video with the two low level warriors 1v1ing. I think I get it now

Edited by BloodyRuby, 30 December 2010 - 11:30 PM.

[kAndyREW]

My point is that a Paladin cannot ever be deemed skillful unless they reduce themselves to only 3-4 skills.
[all attacks] and by that time I would find it amazing if a Paladin legitimately wins a PvP match with someone of the same level and PvP "skills"

[and I'm talking about none-stacked paladins, not Dragoons with 6k+ attack or DEF]

Edit: Kinda goes back to Sheol's video with the two low level warriors 1v1ing. I think I get it now

Yeah I think its kinda unfair on both sides. I mean we all know pallies are OP, but in the same sense i dont think a class should have to strip down to like 3 skills to be "fair" They need to rework pallies completely.. cough blocks should be reworked to only receive 1 damage for example.

[Severfang]

Yeah I think its kinda unfair on both sides. I mean we all know pallies are OP, but in the same sense i dont think a class should have to strip down to like 3 skills to be "fair" They need to rework pallies completely.. cough blocks should be reworked to only receive 1 damage for example.

yeah, the blocks are ridiculous, and the possibility of lv 10 shield mastery AND parry? thats almost 50% block rate, combos should still be possible through blocks... but damage should indeed be dropped to either 1, or still blocked but stagger, launch, etc.

[Deathrowz]

i haven't seen a patch were pally's for once got nerfed lol iirc

[Severfang]

i haven't seen a patch were pally's for once got nerfed lol iirc

>_> and i havent seen one with a ninja nerf, pf nerf, or specialist nerf (aas to 30% atk when spamming in pvp isnt a nerf, its an equalizer, period.)

[Kimimaro]

>_> and i havent seen one with a ninja nerf, pf nerf, or specialist nerf (aas to 30% atk when spamming in pvp isnt a nerf, its an equalizer, period.)

Are you kidding me?
Ninjas better yet thieves got nerfed badly in this patch, they practically took away burrow by increasing the CD to an incredible extent. And you do know they're going to nerf Fly as well, right?
Destroyers never needed a nerf until now, lvl 20 burn from N2 is just a little overkill.

[xandiel]

Tell me what is skill for a paladin then

No parry
No impervious
No Spin it Bear
No Tear Armor
No revenge and no lock [obviously]

So do paladins have to be deemed skillful by winning with spear jab, cross cut and lucky dodges?

u would base it primarily on their ability to "catch" their opponent, and then their ability to dodge as aforementioned by Thuy.

Edited by xandiel, 31 December 2010 - 01:39 AM.

[chaosdragoon1]

Complaining block and health on a paladin is like complaining about evade on a ninja/pf/specailist.

Pallies/knights/dragoons will eventually get that impervious. But even with the evade nerf, it's still hard to kill evade stackers without stacking something of your own.

But I'm finding out real fast how important it is to have mp. ot being able to kill your opponent because you ran out of "steam" sucks. Almost feels embarressing, lol.

[Severfang]

Are you kidding me?
Ninjas better yet thieves got nerfed badly in this patch, they practically took away burrow by increasing the CD to an incredible extent. And you do know they're going to nerf Fly as well, right?
Destroyers never needed a nerf until now, lvl 20 burn from N2 is just a little overkill.

20 seconds is not long, and there needs to be a cooldown on a skill thats pretty much spin it bear

[BloodyRuby]

u would base it primarily on their ability to "catch" their opponent, and then their ability to dodge as aforementioned by Thuy.

with none of the skills mentioned, correct?

and I'm talking about 1v1. not group pvp

[Kimimaro]

20 seconds is not long, and there needs to be a cooldown on a skill thats pretty much spin it bear

1 second to 20 seconds... so you're saying that's not a nerf?

[xandiel]

with none of the skills mentioned, correct?

and I'm talking about 1v1. not group pvp

well they are taken into account as well. no locking is an obvious one however the others are optional/situational and up to the player, for example impervious makes u immune to flinch/knockdown/launch and can be used to easily catch someone while they unload their skills on you (not a very skillful catch), whereas tear armor asunder can be quite overpowered versus opponents with low DEF values but appropriate against those with high DEF values from bone sets/heavy enchantments. parry gives 17% additional block which means more skills get blocked/player needs to dodge less and revenge can be abused for obvious reasons and not so obvious ones, such as the ability to negate the cast of shamans sparkle rock. Spin it bear is fair game, it's just another large aoe "catch" thats gonna get complained/nerfed/ignored in future.

this applies to 1v1 pvp, whereas team pvp would come down to ur ability to catch/disable/lock in contrast with ur allies.

[chaosdragoon1]

20 seconds is not long, and there needs to be a cooldown on a skill thats pretty much spin it bear

Whats so bad about spin it bear anyways? It's AR-able and appeals to more players so they don't have to abuse SD/crosscut/broom. It's an awesome anti-air/defensive move. But it's not the greatest in the world.

1 second to 20 seconds... so you're saying that's not a nerf?

Lol. That's more like a nuke rather than a nerf. But who really needs to use it that much with a 1 second CD when you have high evade AND block?

[Kimimaro]

Lol. That's more like a nuke rather than a nerf. But who really needs to use it that much with a 1 second CD when you have high evade AND block?

Not everyone stacks evade, including myself.
Katar blocking is futile against a Dragoon.

[StormHaven]

The only thing i hate about spin it bear is the large hit box on it.

[SharpX]

Tell me what is skill for a paladin then

No parry
No impervious
No Spin it Bear
No Tear Armor
No revenge and no lock [obviously]

So do paladins have to be deemed skillful by winning with spear jab, cross cut and lucky dodges?

Well there were a lot of knights and pallys that did just that back when I pvped... Like Illili and Cynthia, both knights, but they did just that against lvl 60s and under LOL. I don't see why Pallys can't do the same, but of course each class has its own imbalances now so who knows lmao

[chaosdragoon1]

Not everyone stacks evade, including myself.
Katar blocking is futile against a Dragoon.

Why exactly? I'm curious and a pvp noob. So some of this stuff I don't understand, lol.

I wish I could fight more less evade-stacked players. I have fail aim and def for a 61 dragoon.