27 replies to this topic

[XIII_Eraser]

As we all know F2P has set in and the VIP Bonuses with it I just want to know what the people think about the VIP settings from what i can see all the GMs did is make the game harder if you don't buy VIP I think they should make the game easier for people who do not buy VIP and make it 2 or 3x easier for people who buy VIP

[NoxiousOrchid]

I think the way they have it set up is fine. VIP gets decent benefits for the cost. Any more benefits than those already planned would be overkill. As for those who aren't VIP, they get to play for free, I don't see any reason to complain here.

[geniewinie]

that's call making money buddy. this isn't a private server (those are "WANA BE" servers).

[igzz]

As we all know F2P has set in and the VIP Bonuses with it I just want to know what the people think about the VIP settings from what i can see all the GMs did is make the game harder if you don't buy VIP I think they should make the game easier for people who do not buy VIP and make it 2 or 3x easier for people who buy VIP

If you're main concern is better exp then yes purchase VIP it's like a month long (or however long your sub is) battle manual. However, if your main concern is drops (like me) it doesn't really seem like VIP is any better than non-VIP. the +50% doesn't show at all and there are even bugs when using HE Gum (disappears sometimes upon death).

[XIII_Eraser]

Ok then if there cant be any more bonuses to VIP or Non-VIP then can there be just at least the regular kafra warps? or is that too much too ask for also?

[Nitro]

I love the VIP settings. I level faster and easier. I get free buffs, through food, that I normally have to slave my character for. If a priest tags along, the buffs also stack with their skills such as AGI up. As far as I am concerned, is VIP all the way!

[TheFury]

my vip died today not being vip sucks a lot

[bennilava]

Ok then if there cant be any more bonuses to VIP or Non-VIP then can there be just at least the regular kafra warps? or is that too much too ask for also?

I agree, this is really unfair, as other official servers allow kafra transportation for non-premium accounts. Make warps more expensive for non-VIP and offer more destinations for VIP, otherwise they are driving away players, aka revenue.

[Fureedo]

I must say, I was expecting non-VIPs would get the "out of the box" ro, and that would've meant normal warps for non-VIP and normal warps + old valky warps for VIPs

For example, at geffen's kafra:

VIP warps:
Every rune midgard warps + juno+ orc dungeon...or is it coal mine from geffen? can't remember

Non-VIPs:
Prontera
Aldebaran
Orc dungeon or coal mine, can't really remember which

At prontera:

VIP:
Every rune midgard warps + juno+ orc dungeon

non-VIP:
The normal pre-merge kafra warps, I really can,t remember what they were...
morroc
geffen
payon
izlude
Orc dungeon
I think?

[Anko]

We got x months free of play time. If you want something you have to pay unfortunately.

[soudou]

and an expanding community since they allow server transfers from euRO.

Actually euRO died so there won't be a steady flow from that direction. It was just a "go to fRO or bust". Some wanted to transfer to iRO and were prepared to pay extra to do so, but Gravity Europe didn't allow it. So a few had to start fresh when migrating to iRO instead. There are a few reasons I've been told for not taking up the transfer to fRO but its a personal choice.

[Heimdallr]

If you want to be technical fRO is a competitor of ours, advertising on our forums for it is in poor tastes to say the least. I won't comment on their service, because frankly I do know some of them that are working there and they are cool people dealing with a community that is going to be a challenge.

The Grass is always greener...

What injustice did we do? Because we aren't giving away content that was "paid for" content in the past. The default game has the kafra warps exactly as Valkyrie had it, which is precisely how non-VIP has it now, trying to incite a protest doesn't really make me WANT to help you, if instead you stated a reason of why x warp or something should be considered for addition to non-VIP at x kafra that would be much more likely to actually get considered for putting in.

If you want your full gambit and more warps that is a benefit of VIP.
[oldguy]Back in my day we didn't have kafra warps, we had acos selling warps, or we walked.[/oldguy]

[Sapphic]

A problem I have just personally seen on Ymir are old players returning to try it out and getting frustrated and confused as to why they can't warp anywhere and how they walked from x town to Payon and still can't warp. It makes a person want to quit. It'd be better to keep the old warping system and have a tempting warp benefit for VIP.

[soudou]

A problem I have just personally seen on Ymir are old players returning to try it out and getting frustrated and confused as to why they can't warp anywhere and how they walked from x town to Payon and still can't warp. It makes a person want to quit. It'd be better to keep the old warping system and have a tempting warp benefit for VIP.

Yeah I think it'd be good to have it so there are a few more options in warps for free players. Just so that new players can get around and get into the game easier. The problem is that when someone starts the game they get ported to the town specific to their class. Whether that be Payon, Geffen, Alberta etc. And via Training Grounds they are told Kafra are there to provide for them and that Edens are there to help them. But its a bit of a lie. The Kafra won't provide warps to all and a lot of Edens quests require you to travel around. If new free players quit early in the game then they won't reach the incentives for subscriptions/Kafra Shop.

On the New Player section someone needed help as they were new and felt stuck in Alberta after changing to a Merchant whilst Eden quests were telling them to go to maps near Prontera. Luckily they could use the ship to Izlude then walk 1 map over to Prontera (and I also told them exiting out left of Alberta had some easy monsters they could whack too) but nothing in-game tells them that and if they had ended up in Morroc as a Thief or something they would be pretty lost. I do remember my first days on RO in beta walking from Payon to Morroc, but not really through choice, I was just that lost! And whilst its a funny memory, I'm not sure it'd be so funny all the time

Adding just the basic warps to neighbouring towns would be good. Or at least maybe add a Edens NPC that lets people go to Prontera. It won't be as convenient as VIPs still.

Some have also suggested just allowing free players the basic neighbouring town Kafra warps and making it so VIP has a bigger boost such as the "special warpers" in every town that will port you to any other town next to each Kafra rather than only in Prontera/Juno.

Or others suggest making the neighbouring town Kafra warps more expensive zeny-wise for free players than VIP.

Edited by soudou, 19 April 2011 - 04:56 PM.

[Heimdallr]

This is a time when I wish that tables would display correctly in the forum.

But here goes

MAPCOORDSSERVICE TYPESAVESTORAGE FEETELEPORTPRICEPUSHCARTCHECK SPECIAL RESERVEProntera146 89Non-VIPYES500Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morocc
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
3000
3000800YESVIPYES40Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morocc
Orc Dungeon
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala600
1200
1200
1200
1700
1800
2000
3000
3000800YESProntera 151 29Non-VIPYES500Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morocc
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
3000
3000800YESVIPYES40Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morocc
Orc Dungeon
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala600
1200
1200
1200
1700
1800
2000
3000
3000800YESProntera282 200Non-VIPYES500Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morocc
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
3000
3000800YESVIPYES40Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morocc
Orc Dungeon
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala600
1200
1200
1200
1700
1800
2000
3000
3000800YESProntera 29 207Non-VIPYES500Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morocc
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
2000
3000
3000800YESVIPYES40Izlude
Geffen
Payon
Morocc
Orc Dungeon
Alberta
Aldebaran
Comodo
Umbala600
1200
1200
1200
1700
1800
2000
3000
3000800YESProntera152 326Non-VIPYES500n/an/a800n/aVIPYES40n/an/a800n/aCulverts Entrance290 224Non-VIPYES500n/an/an/aYESVIPYES500n/an/an/aYESIzlude134 88Non-VIPYES500n/an/a800YESVIPYES40Geffen
Payon
Morocc
Aldebaran1200
1200
1200
1800820YESGeffen120 62Non-VIPYES500n/an/a750YESVIPYES30Prontera
Aldebaran
Orc Dungeon
Mjolnir Dead Pit1200
1200
1700
1700750YESGeffen203 123Non-VIPYES500n/an/a750YESVIPYES30Prontera
Aldebaran
Orc Dungeon
Mjolnir Dead Pit1200
1200
1700
1700750YESAldebaran143 119FREEYES500n/an/a600YESVIPYES20Geffen
Juno
Izlude
Mjolnir Dead Pit1200
1200
1800
1700600YESInside Kafra Headquarters96 181Non-VIPYES500n/an/an/an/aVIPYES20n/an/an/an/aMorocc160 258Non-VIPYES500n/an/a930YESVIPYES60Prontera
Payon
Alberta
Comodo
Paros Lighthouse1200
1200
1800
1800
1200930YESMorocc156 97Non-VIPYES500Prontera2000930YESVIPYES60Prontera
Payon
Alberta
Comodo
Paros Lighthouse1200
1200
1800
1800
1200930YESAlberta28 229Non-VIPYES500n/an/a850YESVIPYES50Payon
Morocc
Prontera1200
1800
1800850YESAlberta113 60Non-VIPYES500n/an/a850YESVIPYES50Payon
Morocc
Prontera1200
1800
1800850YESPayon181 104Non-VIPYES500n/an/a930YESVIPYES60Prontera
Alberta
Morocc1200
1200
1200930YESPayon175 226Non-VIPYES500n/an/a930YESVIPYES60Prontera
Alberta
Morocc1200
1200
1200930YESByalan Island106 58FREEn/a500n/an/a1200n/aVIPn/a120n/an/a1200n/aAlberta Island59 69Non-VIPn/a500n/an/an/aYESVIPn/a150n/an/an/aYESArcher Village55 123Non-VIPn/a500n/an/a1200YESVIPn/a90n/an/a1200YESMorocc Ruins59 157Non-VIPn/a500n/an/a1200YESVIPn/a90n/an/a1200YESOrc Dungeon73 340FREEn/a500n/an/an/aYESVIPn/a130n/an/an/aYESMjolnir Dead Pit82 362Non-VIPn/a500n/an/an/aYESVIPn/a100n/an/an/aYESParos Lighthouse136 134Non-VIPYES500n/an/a1000YESVIPYES80Morocc
Comodo1200
12001000YESComodo195 150Non-VIPYES500n/an/a1000YESVIPYES80Morocc
Paros Lighthouse
Umbala1800
1200
18001000YESJuno327 108Non-VIPYES500n/an/a800YESVIPYES40Aldebaran1200800YESJuno277 221Non-VIPYES500n/an/a800YESVIPYES40Aldebaran1200800YESJuno152 187Non-VIPYES500Einbroch
Lighthalzen
Hugel
Rachel2000
2000
2000
2000800YESVIPYES40Aldebaran
Einbroch
Lighthalzen
Hugel
Rachel1200
1200
1200
1200
1200800YESAmatsu102 149Non-VIPYES500n/an/a700YESVIPYES50n/an/a700YESKunlun159 122Non-VIPYES500n/an/a700YESVIPYES80n/an/a700YESUmbala87 160Non-VIPYES500n/an/an/aYESVIPYES80Comodo1800n/aYESNifflheim202 180Non-VIPNO500n/an/an/an/aVIPNO150n/an/an/an/aLouyang210 104Non-VIPYES500n/an/a700YESVIPYES80n/an/a700YESAyothaya212 169Non-VIPYES500n/an/a700YESVIPYES80n/an/a700YESEinbroch59 203Non-VIPYES500n/an/a800YESVIPYES40n/an/a800YESEinbroch242 205Non-VIPYES500n/an/a800YESVIPYES40n/an/a800YESEinbroch181 132Non-VIPYES500n/an/a850YESVIPYES40n/an/a850YESLighthalzen164 100Non-VIPYES500n/an/a800YESVIPYES40n/an/a800YES[font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"]Lighthalzen[/font][font="Calibri"]191 320[/font][font="Calibri"]Non-VIP[/font][font="Calibri"]YES[/font][font="Calibri"]500[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]800[/font][font="Calibri"]YES[/font][font="Calibri"]VIP[/font][font="Calibri"]YES[/font][font="Calibri"]40[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]800[/font][font="Calibri"]YES[/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"]Lighthalzen Hotel[/font][font="Calibri"]237 284[/font][font="Calibri"]Non-VIP[/font][font="Calibri"]YES[/font][font="Calibri"]500[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]800[/font][font="Calibri"]YES[/font][font="Calibri"]VIP[/font][font="Calibri"]YES[/font][font="Calibri"]40[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]800[/font][font="Calibri"]YES[/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"]Brasilis[/font][font="Calibri"]197 221[/font][font="Calibri"]Non-VIP[/font][font="Calibri"]YES[/font][font="Calibri"]500[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]800[/font][font="Calibri"]NO[/font][font="Calibri"]VIP[/font][font="Calibri"]YES[/font][font="Calibri"]40[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]800[/font][font="Calibri"]NO[/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"][/font][font="Calibri"]Moscovia[/font][font="Calibri"]223 191[/font][font="Calibri"]Non-VIP[/font][font="Calibri"]YES[/font][font="Calibri"]500[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]700[/font][font="Calibri"]YES[/font][font="Calibri"]VIP[/font][font="Calibri"]YES[/font][font="Calibri"]80[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]n/a[/font][font="Calibri"]700[/font][font="Calibri"]YES[/font]

[Heimdallr]

yay, boo yah.. I hate you forums and your non-table loving ways... what do you think this is? Web 2.0?

I'm fixing the above mess.

[Shane]

Perhaps drop it into excel, take a screenshot, and post it as an image file? Doesn't look too absurdly huge.

[Sapphic]

Having Eden warp to Prontera is actually a really good idea if you want to keep the warp system the way it is. I just feel bad for people who get stuck in these random towns and have no idea how to get anywhere cause they're so used to having such a basic benefit of Kafra warps.

[Heimdallr]

I'll leave the fail post up there so we all know why I don't go nuts on Tables much in these forums.



oopses may have happened, as is the liklihood that we can expand on these basic teleport functions. I'm not planning on giving away everything teleport wise but certainly we can add some function to non-VIP to make it more playable, and or Eden warp to get to Prontera.

MAP	SERVICE TYPE	SAVE	STORAGE FEE	TELEPORT	PRICE	PUSHCART	CHECK SPECIAL RESERVE
Prontera Middle	Non-VIP	Yes	500	Izlude Geffen Payon Morroc Alberta Aldebaran Comodo Umbala	2000 2000 2000 2000 2000 2000 3000 3000	800	YES
	VIP	Yes	40	Izlude Geffen Payon Morroc Orc Dungeon Alberta Aldebaran Comodo Umbala	600 1200 1200 1200 1700 1800 2000 3000 3000	800	YES
Prontera South	Non-VIP	Yes	500	Izlude Geffen Payon Morroc Alberta Aldebaran Comodo Umbala	2000 2000 2000 2000 2000 2000 3000 3000	800	YES
	VIP	Yes	40	Izlude Geffen Payon Morroc Orc Dungeon Alberta Aldebaran Comodo Umbala	600 1200 1200 1200 1700 1800 2000 3000 3000	800	YES
Prontera East	Non-VIP	Yes	500	Izlude Geffen Payon Morroc Alberta Aldebaran Comodo Umbala	2000 2000 2000 2000 2000 2000 3000 3000	800	YES
	VIP	Yes	40	Izlude Geffen Payon Morroc Orc Dungeon Alberta Aldebaran Comodo Umbala	600 1200 1200 1200 1700 1800 2000 3000 3000	800	YES
Prontera West	Non-VIP	Yes	500	Izlude Geffen Payon Morroc Alberta Aldebaran Comodo Umbala	2000 2000 2000 2000 2000 2000 3000 3000	800	YES
	VIP	Yes	40	Izlude Geffen Payon Morroc Orc Dungeon Alberta Aldebaran Comodo Umbala	600 1200 1200 1200 1700 1800 2000 3000 3000	800	YES
Prontera Castle	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	800	n/a
	VIP	Yes	40	n/a	n/a	800	n/a
Culverts Entrance	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	n/a	YES
	VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	n/a	YES
Izlude	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	800	YES
	VIP	Yes	40	Geffen Payon Morroc Aldebaran	1200 1200 1200 1800	820	YES
Geffen Warp in	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	750	YES
	VIP	Yes	30	Prontera Aldebaran Orc Dungeon Mjolnir Dead Pit	1200 1200 1700 1700	750	YES
Geffen East	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	750	YES
	VIP	Yes	30	Prontera Aldebaran Orc Dungeon Mjolnir Dead Pit	1200 1200 1700 1700	750	YES
Aldebaran	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	600	YES
	VIP	Yes	20	Geffen Juno Izlude Mjolnir Dead Pit	1200 1200 1800 1700	600	YES
Inside Kafra Headquarters	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a
	VIP	Yes	20	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a
Morocc North	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	930	YES
	VIP	Yes	60	Prontera Payon Alberta Comodo Paros Lighthouse	1200 1200 1800 1800 1200	930	YES
Morocc South	Non-VIP	Yes	500	Prontera	n/a	930	YES
	VIP	Yes	60	Prontera Payon Alberta Comodo Paros Lighthouse	1200 1200 1800 1800 1200	930	YES
Alberta West	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	850	YES
	VIP	Yes	50	Payon Morocc Prontera	1200 1800 1800	850	YES
Alberta Warp in	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	850	YES
	VIP	Yes	50	Payon Morocc Prontera	1200 1800 1800	850	YES
Payon South	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	930	YES
	VIP	Yes	60	Prontera Alberta Morocc	1200 1200 1200	930	YES
Payon North	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	930	YES
	VIP	Yes	60	Prontera Alberta Morocc	1200 1200 1200	930	YES
Byalan Island	Non-VIP	No	500	n/a	n/a	1200	n/a
	VIP	No	120	n/a	n/a	1200	n/a
Alberta Island	Non-VIP	No	500	n/a	n/a	n/a	YES
	VIP	No	150	n/a	n/a	n/a	YES
Archer Village	Non-VIP	No	500	n/a	n/a	1200	YES
	VIP	No	90	n/a	n/a	1200	YES
Morocc Ruins	Non-VIP	No	500	n/a	n/a	1200	YES
	VIP	No	90	n/a	n/a	1200	YES
Orc Dungeon	Non-VIP	No	500	n/a	n/a	n/a	YES
	VIP	No	130	n/a	n/a	n/a	YES
Mjolnir Dead Pit	Non-VIP	No	500	n/a	n/a	n/a	YES
	VIP	No	100	n/a	n/a	n/a	YES
Paros Lighthouse	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	1000	YES
	VIP	Yes	80	Morocc Comodo	1200 1200	1000	YES
Comodo	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	1000	YES
	VIP	Yes	80	Morroc Paros Lighthouse Umbala	1800 1200 1800	1000	YES
Juno East	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	800	YES
	VIP	Yes	40	Aldebaran	1200	800	YES
Juno North	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	800	YES
	VIP	Yes	40	Aldebaran	1200	800	YES
Juno Middle	Non-VIP	Yes	500	Einbroch Lighthalzen Hugel Rachel	2000 2000 2000 2000	800	YES
	VIP	Yes	40	Aldebaran Einbroch Lighthalzen Hugel Rachel	1200 1200 1200 1200 1200	800	YES
Amatsu	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	700	YES
	VIP	Yes	50	n/a	n/a	700	YES
Kunlun	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	700	YES
	VIP	Yes	80	n/a	n/a	700	YES
Umbala	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	n/a	YES
	VIP	Yes	80	n/a	n/a	n/a	YES
Nifflheim	Non-VIP	No	500	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a
	VIP	No	150	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a
Louyang	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	700	YES
	VIP	Yes	80	n/a	n/a	700	YES
Ayothaya	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	700	YES
	VIP	Yes	80	n/a	n/a	700	YES
Einbroch West	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	800	YES
	VIP	Yes	40	n/a	n/a	800	YES
Einbroch East	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	800	YES
	VIP	Yes	40	n/a	n/a	800	YES
Einbroch	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	850	YES
	VIP	Yes	40	n/a	n/a	850	YES
Lighthalzen	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	800	YES
	VIP	Yes	40	n/a	n/a	800	YES
Lighthalzen East	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	800	YES
	VIP	Yes	40	n/a	n/a	800	YES
Lighthalzen Hotel	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	800	YES
	VIP	Yes	40	n/a	n/a	800	YES
Brasilis	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	800	n/a
	VIP	Yes	40	n/a	n/a	800	n/a
Moscovia	Non-VIP	Yes	500	n/a	n/a	700	YES
	VIP	Yes	80	n/a	n/a	700	YES

[KingOfBabylon]

Non-VIP warping really isn't all that bad. Save important warps on your alt if helps. Also, if VIP wasn't better than non-VIP, why would people bother paying? Or ask if anyone in the area can provide a warp to town, often there are people who are willing to throw a warp up.

Edited by KingOfBabylon, 19 April 2011 - 11:30 PM.

[bennilava]

My thoughts on how to improve the warps for Non-VIP

General -
Increase prices for all warps. This will encourage people to pay for a VIP account. A few hours ago, I decided to make a ragtag group of warp slave acolytes and multicliented to charge people 3,000 zeny to warp out of Payon, Rachel, Eden Group and Aldebaran. Within a few hours, I made roughly 275,000 zeny. People are willing to pay 3,000 for a simple Payon->Prontera warp (probably higher, but 3k seemed fair). This also helps with inflation, by taking a lot of currency off the market.

Adding crucial warps will make it easier for new players (and old) want to stay with Ragnarok Online. Honestly, it could be a make it or break it issue with some folks, for example, they become irritated that they do not have the option to at least return to warp back to Prontera and then quit the game over the issue. The key is to add the necessary warps, while at the same time making a VIP account look attractive, which can be done by either making Non-VIP warps more expensive, or making VIP warps cheaper and/or giving more warp destinations (maybe a free dungeon teleporter?). Although it could be argued that people don't buy VIP status for warps. If someone had maxed out their character and were to play for WoE/chat purposes only, they probably wouldn't buy VIP status just so that could warp around. I'm assuming that most people get VIP for the exp and drop bonus, so you could probably throw in a few VIP only leveling events, or make lucky boxes have better odds for VIP, or a Boxter NPC for VIP people only. I just think there are better ways to entice people into buying VIP, rather than witholding warps. Honestly, if I were to pay for VIP, it would be for exp and drops, the warping doesn't really matter to me, if I want to get around the lack of warps, I can EASILY make a job level 8 warp slave, so the only people that the warp restrictions actually hurt are casual players, who may quit over the issue.

Increased mobility helps fight spammers! Remember when people use to save in Geffen and Aldebaran, and the satellite cities from Alberta were considered "ghost towns"? Well, now everything is a ghost town, except for Prontera, and there we have an infinitely massive army of robots chanting psychopathic nonsense, actively driving away new players. I know you guys on Ymir are thinking, "oh we are safe here, it requires a credit card to play on our server, oh those robots will never get us". Trust me, if there is a market for zeny selling, the bots and the spammers will come, as the zeny sellers have no problem with stealing and falsifying credit card information. Remember, there were bot farms way before Ragnarok Online went free to play. The fact of the matter is that right now, Valkyrie is more lucrative for them. However, things may change, now that Ymir is free to play as well, if the population spikes up, be on the lookout for these souless menaces. Anyways, by increasing mobility, people will be able to call other places "home" which would force the spammers to distribute their forces and workload, making it easier to right click and ignore them.

Remove warps that are clearly there to make things easier for the player. Non-VIPs can ride the dirty airship, no instant gratification for you buddy, you have to pay for VIP status for an instant teleport to your destination!

Prontera Middle/South/East/West -
Remove Comodo (move to Morroc, doesn't make sense geographically)
Remove Umbala (move to Comodo, doesn't make sense geographically)
Remove Aldebaran (use Geffen or Izlude to connect)

Izlude -
Possibly add Aldebaran (I think it is neat that Izlude and Aldebaran are connected port cities)

Geffen -
Add Prontera
Add Aldebaran

Aldebaran -
Add Geffen
Add Juno
Possibly add Izlude

Morroc North-
Add Prontera

Morroc South
Keep Prontera
Add Comodo

Alberta West and Warp in -
Add Payon

Payon South and North -
Add Prontera
Add Alberta

Comodo -
Add Morroc
Add Umbala

Juno -
Add Aldebaran
Remove Einbroch (can use airship)
Remove Lighthalzen (can use airship)
Remove Hugel (can use airship)
Remove Rachel (can use airship)

[soudou]

^eh why add Juno as a warp yet remove the other airship-accessible warps? You can get to Juno by airship via Izlude. Might aswell add Juno as a warp from Prontera instead if adding it as a warp anywhere else.

Anyway for a new free player I think keeping it simple with 2 options:
- The old neighbouring town warps for basic movement. e.g. Geffen -> Prontera.
and/or
- Edens NPC that takes you to Prontera then Prontera can take you anywhere else. Would be a nice gesture to add Juno to Prontera (for Mages wanting to Sage job change etc.).

The Prontera Edens warper sounds the simplest. So long as you actually tell new players when talking to the Edens Training Grounds NPC. Something like: "Edens has a lot of connections with the major city of Prontera which also has many links to other towns across the world, drop by to us if you ever need passage to Prontera. If you're VIP however you will have more options using the Kafra service in each town to cities around the world so you may not need our assistance so much!"

Then for VIP some options could be:
- Prontera options could be made available in every town + Juno.
- If not, outer towns like Einbroch/Lighthalzen/Hugel/Rachel/Veins still need more warps. As right now you can go *to* those towns but can't go *out* of them (e.g. Rachel only goes to Veins and vice versa for Veins. Lighthalzen/Einbroch/Hugel I don't think have warps to *anywhere*).
- And add the Prontera Edens warper, just so both plans have the same gesture. It could have its uses even for VIP. Especially if the first bullet point isn't viable. And you could also then get to Prontera from the dead-end themed towns like Amatsu, Louyang, Kunlun, Ayothoya, Brasilis etc.
EDIT: I guess it fits for Niff to remain dead-end, literally

And of course once you add that "Warp Back" NPC at the VIP buffer that will be an awesome warper to go back and forth from town to your last levelling location. If it works the way I suggested such as Nameless 2 -> Bwing/Warp/Tele to Town -> Edens -> Nameless 2 So VIPs will still be waaaay more convenient for travel!

By the way didn't Umabala used to warp to Comodo or somewhere else nearby? On that table its saying no-warps. Admittedly I haven't tried recently. But that could also be fixed too.

Off-Topic. re: Ymir bots. The bots before Free to Play plan on all servers was mainly during the free beta days and also during the time when they still offered free trials after the game went P2P. Since its been pay or nothing though on Chaos/Loki etc. and now Ymir I've noticed a massive difference. An easy thing like falsifying credit card information should hopefully not work anymore. They had a issue in the past with certain foreign bot farmers falsifying stuff as I remember they made an announcement about it and had to shutdown the payment system briefly. But that (I hope) is sorted with a decent ID checker and authorisation. We briefly got 1 spammer so far for a half a day and a couple of chatbox ones, but that seems to of been dealt with (so far). It may also of been because there was some kind of loophole apparently for making free characters on Ymir that should be fixed now. Ymir has been basically "F2P" though since December (in that you only had to pay $7 then free thereafter due to the free extensions, actually botters would of been better to flood in during that time because they would of had free VIP status with the bonus exp/drops etc. for their farming bots for a whole 4~5 months). I think there has been a small increase in sneaky levelling bots though who play for real on/off and bot at certain times of the day, but Ymir always had some of those. I could be wrong though and we'll see a flood someday. But anyway I fully believe Ymir should not be 'special' regarding bots and all servers should have a way to plug the bot farmer flood. Since there's no free trials on Ymir (again due to bot abuse) new players are more likely to try out the free servers first and its not a good impression. Also they make it harder for new players to make zeny due to having to compete with abysmally low botter prices in vends, not to mention having to compete for monsters when levelling. Thats also probably in part what feeds the vicious cycle, impede the real players ability to make more zeny or reach higher levels as fast and offer them a way to buy zeny to get what they want to level faster.

Edited by soudou, 20 April 2011 - 04:20 AM.

[Kadnya]

if instead you stated a reason of why x warp or something should be considered for addition to non-VIP at x kafra that would be much more likely to actually get considered for putting in.

If you want your full gambit and more warps that is a benefit of VIP.
[oldguy]Back in my day we didn't have kafra warps, we had acos selling warps, or we walked.[/oldguy]

I hope you consider this a big enough reason:

Current nonVIP warping is not bad, you just have to get used to save in prontera. and
Current VIP setting is not good. You still have to go prontera if you want to warp to most places, so you just have to get used to save in prontera.

So, VIP and nonVIP, you end saving in prontera, without an extra problem, neither an extra benefit. Well, actually there is an extra benefit for nonVIP:

[oldguy]Back in my day we didn't have kafra warps, we had acos selling warps, or we walked.[/oldguy]

[oldgirl]Back in my day we didn't have kafra warps to everywhere from prontera, we had to jump warps from town to town or walk or take the airship[/oldgirl]

If you are a new returning player, or starting player from another server, and unawarely start in another town, and then you try to warp... you see no teleport. You can't also guess that prontera has warps to everywhere, you just see no teleport, and that you are trapped, and that it is the perfect reason to go back to whatever server you came from. You actually offered a better service for nonVIP than default, a no extra service for VIP since you have to save in prontera anyways, and a way to scare unaware players.

So I thought I would propose a change you might like to consider. Do not just improve and add warps, but change teleporting to be spread for non VIP again, and anywhere to anywhere for VIP:


For example, currently, as a VIP, I go to payon kafra and if I try to teleport, I see only

-Alberta, prontera and izlude

But why would I do if I want to teleport from say, payon to geffen? I would go prontera and then warp to geffen. Just like I would go prontera and warp to geffen if I were nonVIP. There is no difference in convenience, becase after all, both VIP and non VIP end saving in prontera to be open to all warps.

I would rather to have a bothersome teleport for non VIP, and an open tele for VIP. Being on valkyrie, I have been used to warp from prontera and juno only. Neither I feel VIP because I see no new options/benefits in teleing, neither non VIP see anychange.

How about if instead of the current system, VIP got to warp between all towns (from anywhere to anywhere) for a set cost (for example, 2000 zeny). That would be increased convenience, now I don't have to save in prontera anyways, now I can warp from anywhere to anywhere.

So now, I'm in payon, and I want to go geffen, I have just go to kafra and see warps to

-Alberta,izlude,geffe,rontera,juno,aldebaran,etc-everywhere.

There is an increased convenience. Now as a VIP I can save anywhere and move freely.

And then, also nonVIP needs a change:

Currently, if you go to any town as a nonVIP, you don't save there because you would be stuck there. People save in prontera, where they can freely warp anywhere. There are no inconveniences, while say, a new player would find himself/herself stuck in one town and discouraged by none teleport. No loss of convenience and discouraging players is a bad mix...

Instead of this, I would like to see restricted teleport enabled on any town, with a pricy cost, for example: 10000 zeny. For example, from payon, you got to warp to alberta or izlude. From izlude, you get to warp to alberta or prontera. From prontera, you can warp to izlude, morroc, of geffen... and so on.

So now, there is no safe place with warps to everywhere for nonVIP. There is not the same level of convenience than with VIP, like now. But at the same time, if a player really wants, there is a teleport option, for example, for a new player using the warp tickets(which are restricted for low level only). NonVIP players have a slow, costly teleport they have to jump between 3 or 4 locations before reaching their destiny, and VIP gets to directly jump anywhere at a good price.

So in short, you get two changes:

1) You are now not trapped in a single place in the world if you don't save in prontera, which currently discourages players.

and

2) You can not just save in prontera and warp to anywhere like premium players. So now indeed, multiple open warping becomes a premium service.

Hopefully you like the proposal, and thank you for reading ^^.

Edited by Kadnya, 20 April 2011 - 05:25 AM.

[bennilava]

^eh why add Juno as a warp yet remove the other airship-accessible warps? You can get to Juno by airship via Izlude. Might aswell add Juno as a warp from Prontera instead if adding it as a warp anywhere else.

I'm assuming you meant Aldebaran, not Juno. Non-VIP doesn't need to be able to warp from Prontera to Juno instantly. By making people chain warps (Prontera->Geffen->Alde->Juno) people have to spend more to be able to quickly travel to far away cities, as opposed to taking the airship which is not instant, but costs less money. When it comes to warping out of Juno to LH, Ein, Rachel and Hugel, It doesn't make sense to me to offer instant warps that are the same price as the airship. What is the point of the airship if you can just Kafra Warp to your destination from Juno?

- Edens NPC that takes you to Prontera then Prontera can take you anywhere else. Would be a nice gesture to add Juno to Prontera (for Mages wanting to Sage job change etc.).

Why have any warp restrictions at all if you can just go from basically any city -> Eden Group -> Prontera?

Edited by bennilava, 20 April 2011 - 08:51 AM.

[soudou]

What is the point of the airship if you can just Kafra Warp to your destination from Juno?

Likewise what is the point of the Izlude -> Juno airship if you can Kafra Warp your way there? Quite a few things in RO are redundant.

Why have any warp restrictions at all if you can just go from basically any city -> Eden Group -> Prontera?

It was one of 2 options. But its the simplest to go for at least for the low-level new players of which Edens caters to the most. I am thinking of how a player over on the New Player board commented alot of Eden quests were hinting at them to go to Prontera (the main hub) but they didn't know how to get there from Alberta. Could give it a level restriction if its too "overpowered" or have it only accept Eden Transport tickets given at Training Grounds like the free Kafra Teleportation Tickets they give out, which ironically they can't even use as non-VIP if they end up in a different Job Change town than Acolytes.

But if they at least give back the old basic neighbouring town warps it will solve some of that for new players and they can use their free Kafra Teleportation Tickets so either option works for them.

Still would be nice to have a Prontera option from Edens for VIP anyway. Unless they change how things work. I agree with Kad about the lack of difference. I personally save in Prontera and have done for ages on Ymir pre-VIP plan and post-VIP plan. So not much changed there and its pretty similar to what non-VIP players end up doing. Even when Chaos/Loki and now Ymir was all VIP players (subscription payers) Prontera was the main hangout and towns like Alberta/Morroc/Geffen dead quiet aside from 1 or 2 guilds because Prontera has had the most warp options for a long time.

Edited by soudou, 20 April 2011 - 09:37 AM.