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[WNxTyr4el]

So I'm interested in starting a Swordsman and going Crusader (or Knight). I'm lured by the crusaders possible dmg output along with their dmg skills and support skills. For a holy cross sader what's a good build statwise? And what weapon would they use?

[EvilLoynis]

So I'm interested in starting a Swordsman and going Crusader (or Knight). I'm lured by the crusaders possible dmg output along with their dmg skills and support skills. For a holy cross sader what's a good build statwise? And what weapon would they use?

I think you may be mixing up Grand Cross and Holy Cross.


Holy Cross is a Single target attack with the Holy property that deals 2 strikes.

Grand Cross is an Area of Effect (AoE) attack that can hit in an area around the caster and does Holy damage but also damages the caster.


HC can easily be used by Spear/Agi Saders, I know as mine had this before transcending and did some monster damage to Shadow and Undead Guys. Best weapon to use is a High Attack weapon upgraded as High as you dare.


GC sucks with renewal totally. They nerf'd this skill so bad because now both your Melee and Magic attack come primarily from your choice of weapons not your stats like before.

[WNxTyr4el]

So is a HC build viable for solo leveling? Is it also viable in PvP and WoE?

[EvilLoynis]

So is a HC build viable for solo leveling? Is it also viable in PvP and WoE?

You can level pretty well with it. Just stick to Undead or Shadow guys.
Have no idea if it's really useful at all in PvP though.


I thought you had made the mistake because Holy Cross does not need a "Build" of it's own. You do NOT have to choose between it and Spear skills. Just do your skills like this.

Spear Mastery - 10
Spear Quicken - 10
Peco Ride - 1
Cavalier Mastery - 5
Faith - 10
Holy Cross - 10

Holy Cross actually works better with 2 handed spears. Also it does not take any of it's damage from Magic Attack so that is not a concern at all.

http://irowiki.org/wiki/Holy_Cross

[WNxTyr4el]

Thank you for the reply. I will try using those skills. Can you speak to what stats I should increase? As well as starting stats?

[Pylfer]

Alternatively, You can take faith to 10 and pick up heal to 4

It sorta goes in line with the sort of leveling that you're going to be doing. Spear Mastery and Spear Quicken (along with buffs and awake/zerk) gives you about 190 ASPD with uber high AGI. If you stack some Flee, you'll rarely get hit and you'll be dropping most guys pretty quick (regardless of DEX) because you'll be hitting so hard and fast.

I discovered that the best thing to use is a Crescent Scythe (one-handed spears drop ATK and you lose ASPD when you don a shield [mine went from about 182 two-handed to about 180-181 one handed and the shield dropped me right down to 175ASPD]).

In regards to Heal, you get it to 4, it heals about 300hp (depending on your INT) and for the most part replaces the use of Pots when you're leveling. Couple that with the Eden boots that you get (+16% sp regen) and you should have a problem maintaining your SP, HP, Spear Quicken, etc, etc.

Just my opinion though :3

[EvilLoynis]

Alternatively, You can take faith to 10 and pick up heal to 4

It sorta goes in line with the sort of leveling that you're going to be doing. Spear Mastery and Spear Quicken (along with buffs and awake/zerk) gives you about 190 ASPD with uber high AGI. If you stack some Flee, you'll rarely get hit and you'll be dropping most guys pretty quick (regardless of DEX) because you'll be hitting so hard and fast.

I discovered that the best thing to use is a Crescent Scythe (one-handed spears drop ATK and you lose ASPD when you don a shield [mine went from about 182 two-handed to about 180-181 one handed and the shield dropped me right down to 175ASPD]).

In regards to Heal, you get it to 4, it heals about 300hp (depending on your INT) and for the most part replaces the use of Pots when you're leveling. Couple that with the Eden boots that you get (+16% sp regen) and you should have a problem maintaining your SP, HP, Spear Quicken, etc, etc.

Just my opinion though :3

The fact is with the Agi/Spear Sader build you don't really ever need Heal. Yeah you may use a few pots now and then but still with HP regen 10 (which you should have gotten as a swordie) is way more than enough. If you really can't sit for less than a min thats really the place your choosing to lvl. Getting Holy Cross on the other hand really lets you hurt Undead and Shadow type guys who are very resistant to everything else and thus opens up more places to lvl.

I agree with you on the Crescent Scythe spear though mostly. I have a +7 CScythe and a +7HellFire that I use.

[WNxTyr4el]

So holy cross is a fun build to level with then? Is it effective giants other monsters or do u just use your spear for that?

[Pylfer]

The fact is with the Agi/Spear Sader build you don't really ever need Heal. Yeah you may use a few pots now and then but still with HP regen 10 (which you should have gotten as a swordie) is way more than enough. If you really can't sit for less than a min thats really the place your choosing to lvl. Getting Holy Cross on the other hand really lets you hurt Undead and Shadow type guys who are very resistant to everything else and thus opens up more places to lvl.

I agree with you on the Crescent Scythe spear though mostly. I have a +7 CScythe and a +7HellFire that I use.

Agreed. I know that there was some debate as to whether people should get heal 10 and drop Peco all together (thus nullifying the need for pots all together) or getting HC to 10.

You're right though. I picked up a Spectral Spear that I plan on using against some DPs and I'm looking for a Hellfire to use against some Pinguicula or something like that. Having a wide range of spears and the ability to dish out damage on undead/shadow/demon/all those evil things is pretty great.

[EvilLoynis]

So holy cross is a fun build to level with then? Is it effective giants other monsters or do u just use your spear for that?

Holy Cross is an addon really to a Spear/Agi build. It is not your main attack but one you only use really when you want to lvl in a place with the Shadow & Undead guys like Dark Priests in Glast Heim. Otherwise you just kill with your spear and super high attack speed.


As for stats I discussed that in this topic at length

http://forums.warppo...__1#entry237613

I currently have my Crusader at Level 90/50. (this was a while back ofc)

Current Skills.
Current Base stats on my Agi/Spear Crusader are:
66 Str
90 Agi
10 Vit
01 Int
40 Dex
30 Luk

[Pylfer]

So holy cross is a fun build to level with then? Is it effective giants other monsters or do u just use your spear for that?

SQ (Spear Quicken) and Spear Mastery will be your bread and butter. HC (Holy Cross) will be your "lol, u r dead" unholy/Shadow/Dark/whatever killing spell. HC is Holy element and generally deals 150%-200% damage to those 'evil' attributes (confirmed to be: Shadow, Ghost, and Undead).

As for anything that isn't any of those attributes, your spear will do most of the work, though HC does a raw boost of 450% weapon damage.

Grab a Spectral Spear (about 500-600k unslotted) or a Spectral Spear [1] (about 7mil) and throw a Santa Poring card into it (about 400k) upgrade it as much as you feel like (obviously before you drop the card in, lol) and then start wailing on some undead/shadow property badies.

What does Spectral Spear do?:
Reduces damage received from [Demon] and [Undead] races by 10%.
Reduces damage received from [Shadow] elements by 10%.
Increases physical damage against [Demon] race targets by 20%.
Increases physical damage against [Shadow] and [Undead] element targets by 20%.

If you drop a Santa Poring card into a slotted Spectral than you get an extra 20% damage against shadow element.

In all this will make your HC (with like +5-7 Hallowed Spectral Spear) do a lot of damage. You can tear through Dark Priests (16k hp) in about 2-3 shots.

[WNxTyr4el]

Is 1 Int enough for HC?

[antikv]

Have no idea if it's really useful at all in PvP though.

it does pretty well...just the other day i(a 98 lk...withe 20k hp got dropped after been hit by 2 HC).....that was some heavily geared sader il tell u that= =

[Anko]

Is 1 Int enough for HC?

You can adjust your build as you level. I got moderate to high int as it was already in my build. I still ran out of sp but the regen was fast and the heal was handy.

[EvilLoynis]

You can adjust your build as you level. I got moderate to high int as it was already in my build. I still ran out of sp but the regen was fast and the heal was handy.

Really investing in Int beyond say 20 points is not a good idea. A better thing todo would be to get an Earth Deleter carded Armor. This disables normal sp recovery but every time you kill a guy with a Melee attack (Normal spear attacks or HC) you get back 10sp. Doing this will recover sp faster and will not be that expensive.

[Pylfer]

Really investing in Int beyond say 20 points is not a good idea. A better thing todo would be to get an Earth Deleter carded Armor. This disables normal sp recovery but every time you kill a guy with a Melee attack (Normal spear attacks or HC) you get back 10sp. Doing this will recover sp faster and will not be that expensive.

Or if you're a rich jerk pick up a rideword and a nyd :3

[EvilLoynis]

Or if you're a rich jerk pick up a rideword and a nyd :3

lol Earth Deleter card is only about 2.7m not that high to be honest. Comparing this to Rideword (which is only good at +9) just shows your own sadly lacking brain cells lol


Rideword without any upgrades is like 40-45m, not even sure what a +9 one is going for right now.

Even without any of this you have to realize that Int for a Crusader class, especially a Melee class is almost worthless. Far batter to invest in Luk, Str or Agi.

[Pylfer]

Agreed. Get STR to about 50, AGI to about 90 or max it out, DEX around to 50 or higher (makes hitting DPs a lot easier) about 20INT some LUK and whatever you want into VIT (more than LUK and INT if you plan on using zerk).


Rideword +9 without any stupid cards in it is about 99mil or maybe even a little more than that. I've seen some +5's with stupid cards (Willow) in them for about 10mil though... lol, most efficient way to get +9 (monetarily) is just buy the cheap ridewords that people have put idiotic cards into and try to over upgrade from there... The hat itself is really only used for the special effects that it offers.

[Anko]

Really investing in Int beyond say 20 points is not a good idea. A better thing todo would be to get an Earth Deleter carded Armor. This disables normal sp recovery but every time you kill a guy with a Melee attack (Normal spear attacks or HC) you get back 10sp. Doing this will recover sp faster and will not be that expensive.

Maybe not but i already had that build from pre-renewal so i just got reflect damage with those stats before using my free reset for reflect build. But once you reduce your holy cross per DP to a certain number it is no longer possible to reduce it anymore. At that point you may have spare stat points but up to you where to stick them, depending on your equips and if you are going to use your free reset before npc disappears.