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[Bootz]

So as of now I have...

Robo Eye
Pirate Dagger
+4 Morri helm
+4 Morri manteau
Diabolus Armor with Porcellio card
Diabolus Boots with Matyr card
Morri pendant
Morri belt

Getting boost with +Atk and +Str and some additional Perfect dodge and HP
And I'm going for Crit/SB.

Does this equip sound okay? Or what can I modify for higher crit damage and SB dmg?
And which katars with what cards are appropriate for nice dmg?
Already have Valorous Carnage and +7 triple crit jur.

Please give me suggestions =]

[Bootz]

anyone?

[Nitro]

At higher levels you can replace the Morrigane set for two Rogue Treasures, and can use better equip in your helm and garment slot also. You would need to carefully plan a build since you need 90 or more AGI to get the crit bonus from the Rogue's treasure.
They are like mini-abrasives, allowing you to use really killer jurs instead of triple crit.

For weapons, I suggest at least getting fire and ice katars. They are the least expensive but the most bang for your buck in my opinion as you will find tons of things weak to these elements. The Triple Crit is good to have in your arsenal as well. As far as your armors, the Morrigane set will be your biggest problem. It eats up slots you can use for nicer gear like immune, any of the nicer helms, or something that gives attack or flee bonuses.

What are you planning for a build?

[Bootz]

Hmmmm thanks for that suggestion. So for rogues treasure.. if you have 90+ base str and 90+ base agi you get both bonuses? like 10hit 10flee and 10 attk 10crit? But as far as the diabo boots and armor with those cards sound okay?

I want to be well rounded for WoE/PvP/PvM with crit and SB. As of now i have 90base str and 80base agi.. so I'm guessing i want to reach at least 175 aspd and good amount of def/hp and high output on attack dmg. so stat wise what would you say is appropriate? im sure dex is needed for SB but not really for crit..

[GuardianTK]

Your main targets would be HW's and Biochemists in that build anyways. All I can say is, you're going to have to be at least base90+ in order to be able to get both bonuses. The high dex for SB is there for classes that will have flee. You won't have to worry about opponents with flee if you use EDP Crits. As for the armor, I highly suggest a Valk Armor if you can get one. You'll need all the stun resist you can get. As soon as you're stunned, you're done. imo, your job isn't going to be in the front lines killing people either. You're more of a 1 on 1 person. You also have the job of breaking the emp.

[Bootz]

Hmmm.. so what kind of equip and stats can put out the highest crit/sb dmg while having good flee/def/hp

[CocaCola]

Well just in general, Crit and SB builds dont mix...

Crit means you want agi/luk/equips geared for criting so you generally have a low hp pool/stun/curse resist. So with your high agi you can GT quite effectively, but as soon as you pop out with just your katars on and with 10-13k HP you will die quite fast.

SB generally means you are gonna have high str/dex/vit so you have a better hp pool/stun/curse resist. So you will GT slower but your SB burst damage will be much better and you will be able to tank things longer while you are sbing people.

OFC if you can gear swap well enough, it doesnt really matter cause youll be able to swap to defensive gears as soon as you are SBing someone so you wont die.


IMO its better to just stick to one or the other.

[ssibral]

But doesnt SB damage and Crit damage generally have same stats for damage output?

[GuardianTK]

Hmmm.. so what kind of equip and stats can put out the highest crit/sb dmg while having good flee/def/hp

Think again if you think Crit SinX are going to have good defense/hp. The best crit build is based on Rogue's Treasure. It's already explained that you need base stats of 90 for agi and str and if all their bonuses. You could, however let go of one RT and use 1. That way you can pop an abrasive and luk foods so you'll get near 100% crit anyways, and still be able to wear one Meg. As for flee, that'll depend on what armors you use. I'd say +4 Skin of Ventus with Kavach Icarus is best for flee. But I'd take Immune Nyd anyday. Valk Armor for the stun resist. You're not going to have many options if you do build around Rogue's Treasure. Assuming you want the str bonus SinX's offer at job70, you'll want to max out at base 91 str. 90 base agi for the crit effect the RT's offer. As for how much dex/luk you want, that's entirely your decision.

Edited by GuardianTK, 23 August 2010 - 08:54 PM.

[Donasz]

[quote name='GuardianTK' date='23 August 2010 - 10:53 PM' timestamp='1282629237' post='58052']
Think again if you think Crit SinX are going to have good defense/hp. The best crit build is based on Rogue's Treasure. It's already explained that you need base stats of 90 for agi and str and if all their bonuses. You could, however let go of one RT and use 1. That way you can pop an abrasive and luk foods so you'll get near 100% crit anyways, and still be able to wear one Meg. As for flee, that'll depend on what armors you use. I'd say +4 Skin of Ventus with Kavach Icarus is best for flee. But I'd take Immune Nyd anyday. Valk Armor for the stun resist. You're not going to have many options if you do build around Rogue's Treasure. Assuming you want the str bonus SinX's offer at job70, you'll want to max out at base 91 str. 90 base agi for the crit effect the RT's offer. As for how much dex/luk you want, that's entirely your decision.
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Crit Sinx can have good hp and def if you build right..Sinx has the 3rd highest base hp pool...,but as bootz you might want to suggest some of these builds,but he is right you wont be able to sb as good as pure sb,but you could still do just as good as crit equip.. tho not a nat crit build.

Ok i have just the thing to help you. You have 3 choices in the matter,it's either you want a better chance of living in pvp or not here are some suggestions.

This build could use sb well and still be a crit sin if you have the right equips double rogue's ,triple crit jur, triple killing jur etc.. 90 str 90 agi 39 dex 40 luk but you wont you wont have any vit what so ever or health which means you're need s carnial valk shield on stand by for quick swaps and youre gonna have to be pro at hiding spells, but be careful you cant hide every spell like lov for example,but good for those nub wiz who just spams sgs..

This build here is strictly for pvp giving enough vit to survine and still pwn face, but you will lose the str portion from rogue's treasure which is sad but still gain it from agi. 80 str 90 agi 40 vit 31 dex and 40 luk you can even use sb.

Now here's another build it has some vit and not too shabby on sb with edp of course 90 str 90 agi 24 vit 25 dex 40 luk this build is mainly Crit equip with the use of two rogue's treasure getting the extra bonues like 20 hit 20 flee 20 crit and 20 attack. This build will be the weakest on sb do to the low dex, but still it's not bad.

Edited by Donasz, 26 August 2010 - 02:28 PM.

[Donasz]

Also you can use some dex/hit head gears for the extra sb dmg if you really want to go that far only after your crit is what it should be like well chewed pencil and mini propeller there are others. These are awesome crit equips you should be aiming for all around game play.Triple Crit Jur,Triple killing Jur ring/brooch of counter 2x rogue's treasure with those and a base luk at 40 your crit should be more then enough.

[GuardianTK]

Crit Sinx can have good hp and def if you build right..Sinx has the 3rd highest base hp pool...,but as bootz you might want to suggest some of these builds,but he is right you wont be able to sb as good as pure sb,but you could still do just as good as crit equip.. tho not a nat crit build.

Ok i have just the thing to help you. You have 3 choices in the matter,it's either you want a better chance of living in pvp or not here are some suggestions.

This build could use sb well and still be a crit sin if you have the right equips double rogue's ,triple crit jur, triple killing jur etc.. 90 str 90 agi 39 dex 40 luk but you wont you wont have any vit what so ever or health which means you're need s carnial valk shield on stand by for quick swaps and youre gonna have to be pro at hiding spells, but be careful you cant hide every spell like lov for example,but good for those nub wiz who just spams sgs..

This build here is strictly for pvp giving enough vit to survine and still pwn face, but you will lose the str portion from rogue's treasure which is sad but still gain it from agi. 80 str 90 agi 40 vit 31 dex and 40 luk you can even use sb.

Now here's another build it has some vit and not too shabby on sb with edp of course 90 str 90 agi 24 vit 25 dex 40 luk this build is mainly Crit equip with the use of two rogue's treasure getting the extra bonues like 20 hit 20 flee 20 crit and 20 attack. This build will be the weakest on sb do to the low dex, but still it's not bad.
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Ewww.....Trip Crit Jur. Do you know how horrible that DPS is? And no, if you want a strong version of the crit build, you're going to have to use Rogue's Treasure. Not the counter accessories. You don't have any crit unless you wear Morri or RT's anyways. btw...He's also talking about pvm. He wants an all-around build for everything. And I don't think that'll happen with vit in that build. xD