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#1 Maka

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 12:39 PM

Please fix Gypsy/Minstrel class. The whole point of being on that class path is whips/instruments. So why would you make all whip/instrument skills totally useless? Then I read when you become a Wanderer you still have to use a bow?
This really needs to be addressed because as it is now the class is pointless, it's like playing a sniper that has no skills. If I wanted to use Double Strafe my whole life I would have become a Sniper!

Fix the cast time of Arrow Vulcan so it's possible to instant cast again. It's not like the skill was ever overpowered. It was all we had, and other classes were still able to out do us.

Make Severe Rainstorm usable when using a whip.

I don't understand what sense was made when they decided to make these changes to the class. Arrow Vulcan was our primary skill. Did Developers not know that? Did they just say "Hmm.. how can we break this class?"

Renewal has been out for a long time now, why haven't these issues been addressed?

Edited by Maka, 14 May 2011 - 10:35 PM.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 12:49 PM

95% of their skills require an instrument. The class is about songs.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 01:48 PM

Do you realize you are using a support job? Even if you have a couple skills for deal damage that doesn't mean the class is oriented to other role.

It's like a priest, you can use ME, TU or Holy Light (lol this one) but that doesn't mean the class is a magic dealer because the rest of its skills are supportive...
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 01:49 PM

I am constantly hearing this from my friends who play Maestro and Wanderer. It really should be looked into.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 01:58 PM

AV does need to be looked at. It is slow and a bit painful to use. I used it to get the last couple levels on my gypsy. As wanderer i don't even have the skill anymore.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 04:42 PM

Do you realize you are using a support job? Even if you have a couple skills for deal damage that doesn't mean the class is oriented to other role.

It's like a priest, you can use ME, TU or Holy Light (lol this one) but that doesn't mean the class is a magic dealer because the rest of its skills are supportive...

We are a support class, but not at all like a priest. Our support skills are not effective to level with. That is why we have Arrow Vulcan. Seeing as how partying after renewal is hard to do now, our attack skills shouldn't have been touched at all. We need Arrow Vulcan to take on higher level monsters and be effective and attractive to a party. I hate how our class is sometimes just used as an alt account slave. It's like we are reduced to being as effective as a soul linker. Actually less..

Edited by Maka, 13 May 2011 - 04:43 PM.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 05:03 PM

I agree with Maka, same reasons my Wanderer has suffered neglect and I made a Sorcerer.

Edited by Trixdee, 13 May 2011 - 08:15 PM.

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Posted 13 May 2011 - 07:52 PM

refer to this:

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If your class is not listed remake to 3-2
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Posted 14 May 2011 - 02:58 AM

Actually, yeah, give me back AV, pl0x. Pre-renewal I could 1shot a 99 Paladin. Just sayin'. Of course, that was PVP, but it still counts.
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Posted 14 May 2011 - 06:45 AM

YES please look into Av.

I really want to lvl my ministrel without it being tagged along with my high wiz.

While you're at it..cast time of it too :]
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Posted 14 May 2011 - 08:28 AM

u got my rep +1
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Posted 14 May 2011 - 08:47 AM

refer to this:

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If your class is not listed remake to 3-2


screw ur stupid chart...thats not how a mmo should be
a effective game should be well balanced not every job is slave to a specific job
no wonder ro is loosing players
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Posted 14 May 2011 - 09:39 AM

why do we have to be like 18 months behind the other official servers? we need to catch up to be only like 6 month behind for localization this is bs. i am so sick of seeing all the new stuff and then by the time it comes out i don't care anymore because there is something newer i want more. no more bs box events unless the is an update riding on the sales of the boxes. Then i might buy some of these infernal boxes.
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Posted 14 May 2011 - 09:42 AM

Like antikv said, screw that stupid a<_< chart. That's getting really old and seems to be the only answer anyone has to just plain unfair treatment of classes, change class. That chart is like so NOT funny anymore.

People seem to be forgetting that Gypsies and Minstrels were NEEDED for killing in a Bio3 party. We were the ONLY ones who could kill the Hwiz, because of it's property and buttload of mdef.... Oh and the kicker..we were capable of ONE SHOTTING IT with Tierra whip, buffs and food, which was NEEDED for the good exp flow. I don't think anyone can justify the post renew suckiness of the skill and the class in general especially anyone that didn't play a Gypsy or Minstrel as a main they enjoyed pre RE as in..when they didn't suck.

Edited by Trixdee, 14 May 2011 - 09:55 PM.

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 10:34 PM

This doesn't seem to be getting the proper attention. :o Perhaps we should all send tickets in about Arrow Vulcan and how we'd like to see it get fixed.
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Posted 14 May 2011 - 11:06 PM

Unfortunately Maka, I don't think it is going to be fixed. It's a hard pill to swallow, but we got screwed.

Edited by Trixdee, 14 May 2011 - 11:08 PM.

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Posted 15 May 2011 - 12:47 AM

Unfortunately Severe Rainstorm is a great pvm skill for leveling, especially during events :o
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Posted 15 May 2011 - 12:49 PM

Unfortunately Maka, I don't think it is going to be fixed. It's a hard pill to swallow, but we got screwed.


I remember reading somewhere that they have it fixed on jRO so it might be possible.
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Posted 15 May 2011 - 01:18 PM

A lot of things go unfixed. *_*
Just to name one, Homunculus Filir's Accelerated Flight, the skill thats suppose to give 60 Flee, has been broken for years.
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Posted 15 May 2011 - 10:39 PM

Wasn't there a discussion about fixing classes effected by renewal? I remenber seeing a thread about that somewhere on these forums. Like "Tell us what is wrong with <insertclasshere>"
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Posted 16 May 2011 - 01:56 AM

I would say that you should post your argument in the Specific Renewal Feedback section, but I'm not even sure if anyone reads there, I sure diden't notice it until a few days ago.
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Posted 16 May 2011 - 03:41 AM

AV doesn't have anything really do to with 3rd class. It's for the 2nd class you need it fixed. Gypsy's and minstrels shouldn't have to be supporting all the time. That is the whole reason behind AV.
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Posted 16 May 2011 - 10:01 AM

There really is no reason not to remove the fixed cast time of AV, its damage in renewal is pretty sad with the types of weapons available to Dancers and Bards, and Severe Rainstorm, Reverberation, and Great Echo are all better than AV in terms of damage (Metallic Sound will be better once Wanderers get that 130 MATK whip). Minstrels and Gypsies are the ones who need this buff so they don't have to 99/70 with DS/AS/Leech.

In this same regard, I'd like to see Melody Strike/Sling Arrow have it's cast time removed completely and be more of a "bash" for Bards and Dancers.

As for SR, I'm neutral about it working with instruments/whips. I'd much rather see a significant buff in Great Echo, Reverberation, and Metallic Sound.
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