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#51 Shane

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 01:02 PM

Sorcs can get instacast on most of their skills. With zephyr you are invulnerable to a whole host of attacks.

Warlocks can insta release their spells. A few if their skills are not blockable by any means.

Both of them also have significant support/debuff/annoyance skills - the usual trend is that such classes will not have offensive skills as strong as classes without the former.

The kafra blossom cards are just glorious rings basically. When the additional resistance activates... it works against all elemental attacks so it affects non-magic classes too.


Haha. A sorc can get instant cast with 120int/120dex base with bless, secrament, +30 foods and ventus passive buff active. A sorc cannot achieve instant cast with Zephyr active as it takes away their cast speed buff from ventus. Don't act like every sorc is running around with instant cast. It requires a large stat point investment and a lot of buffs simultaneously.

Genetics have howling of mandragora. Suras have gentle touch skills and cursed circle. Rune knights can enchant blade others. Royal guards can sacrifice others. Do they follow the usual trend?

Glorious rings had a high price and not that many people would invest in them over a KVM weapon with the points they received. Kafra blossom cards are everywhere and selling for less than 10 mil.
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#52 veteran2003

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 01:08 PM

Haha. A sorc can get instant cast with 120int/120dex base with bless, secrament, +30 foods and ventus passive buff active. A sorc cannot achieve instant cast with Zephyr active as it takes away their cast speed buff from ventus. Don't act like every sorc is running around with instant cast. It requires a large stat point investment and a lot of buffs simultaneously.

Genetics have howling of mandragora. Suras have gentle touch skills and cursed circle. Rune knights can enchant blade others. Royal guards can sacrifice others. Do they follow the usual trend?

Glorious rings had a high price and not that many people would invest in them over a KVM weapon with the points they received. Kafra blossom cards are everywhere and selling for less than 10 mil.



LMFAO YOU JUST ACTUALLY SAID "RKs can enchant blade others" As if enchant blade is actually any good. Hahahahahahahaha i cant believe how hard Im laughing over something SO SIMPLE lmao
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#53 yarumasi

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Posted 28 May 2011 - 01:25 PM

Let's look at it this way, why are you in a situation that you're locked down that hard? I would assume you're with your guild... right?
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 01:28 PM

Let's look at it this way, why are you in a situation that you're locked down that hard? I would assume you're with your guild... right?

then make all things same for every 1, like dragons breat CANT BE STOPED IN WOE they dont even need phen, also clashin spiral cant be stoped, also GoH, also all those instant casted skills like mandragora howling
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 01:29 PM

mageclass still like the second sadest class in woe, i think the first 1 its the maestro archbishop


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Posted 28 May 2011 - 01:34 PM

even suras have better buffs than arch bishop.....
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 04:17 PM

i noticed that i just will wait the next episode, if the mental stick and telekinetic orbs dont give me the balance for sorc that im looking for... i will delete my last char, the sorcerer, i wont waste my time anymore, i did this for love, love to my char, love to my first and last MMO
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 04:38 PM

then make all things same for every 1, like dragons breat CANT BE STOPED IN WOE they dont even need phen, also clashin spiral cant be stoped, also GoH, also all those instant casted skills like mandragora howling

What he means is, if you're standing behind where everyone is pre-casting, you shouldn't be getting your skills interrupted due to pneuma and such. If someone is right up to your face, or you're trying to cast in the middle of an enemy pre-cast, and you're having troubles casting, well guess what, you should.
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 05:58 PM

What he means is, if you're standing behind where everyone is pre-casting, you shouldn't be getting your skills interrupted due to pneuma and such. If someone is right up to your face, or you're trying to cast in the middle of an enemy pre-cast, and you're having troubles casting, well guess what, you should.

the problem is that db doesnt have any trouble casting in midle of a precast or anything and many other thirdclasses skills, except all mage class skills, just a few like white imprison, but i learned i ultimate technique with my sorc, drinking a edp fix the umbalance problem
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Posted 29 May 2011 - 10:07 AM

Haha. A sorc can get instant cast with 120int/120dex base with bless, secrament, +30 foods and ventus passive buff active. A sorc cannot achieve instant cast with Zephyr active as it takes away their cast speed buff from ventus. Don't act like every sorc is running around with instant cast. It requires a large stat point investment and a lot of buffs simultaneously.


I did not mean to imply you could have ventus on wild storm and zephyr on at the same time. The thing is i was replying to was the comment that sorcs have relatively long casts when they can achieve instacast already at this point in renewal. Can you really say that relatively long cast is characteristic of a decent sorc? Instacast being very common is not necessary for my point to hold.

Genetics have howling of mandragora. Suras have gentle touch skills and cursed circle. Rune knights can enchant blade others. Royal guards can sacrifice others. Do they follow the usual trend?

Sura i will not argue with as i feel they are rather OP and hopefully the zen nerf is just the start. My point is that the usual trend is that the more powerful and numerous the support/debuff/annoyance skills the class has, the lower the power their offensive skills tends to be. RK having enchant blade hardly refutes my point but instead supports it. Genetics have already suffered some nerfs and are due for more - at the same time they have very low hp.

Glorious rings had a high price and not that many people would invest in them over a KVM weapon with the points they received. Kafra blossom cards are everywhere and selling for less than 10 mil.


KVM badges were once rare. With them appearing in every box event and now even available from seal quests. I have not done a single kvm match and i have thousands of kvm badges. While i agree there is a disparity in investment of kvm badges vs 6 mill on ymir it really depends on whether they offer the cards again or if they are a one off/very limited deal. If they are not offered again the cards will eventually go up in price. A trend i've noticed is that many items/resources that were once rare/limited are becoming widely/cheaply available to the masses eg. wss, kvm badges, levelling events...

I mean really, what the hell were high wizards and scholars killing prior to renewal?

then make all things same for every 1, like dragons breat CANT BE STOPED IN WOE they dont even need phen, also clashin spiral cant be stoped, also GoH, also all those instant casted skills like mandragora howling


Can you post your sorc build and the buffs you usually use? As a sorc you should be easily disabling an RK with many of your skills.

If an RK gets stripped of their dragon they need to relog if they want to DB again - that is another way to stop them. If you fiber lock/manhole/extreme vacuum/pneuma you can also pretty much disable DB.

When renewal first hit everyone QQd about how OP CS and gloomy/strings was but once ppl levelled and got some decent max hp everyone has forgotten that skill.
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Posted 29 May 2011 - 10:41 AM

I guess it's always hard to see eye to eye when it comes to WoE balance.


well, uninterruptible recall would suck, also phen/bloody/Orleans etc, are items able to be able to be use by ANY class.

a friend poisoned two weeks ago a huge deal of killers (around six of them before going down to a gfist+clashing) he went down but then the damage he did avoid the same shura to spam gfist like crazy. by giving us a window for the RG to catch to the help of ABs after killing the genetic.

and this was in 20 to 30 seconds flat.



Forgot to add... for one thing I'm up is for magic to get more damage on woe... yeah I advocate MATK>ATK... Sadly I have seen a reduction of mage classes around and then everyone pop a swordman class/genetic and shuras ~_~u


only weird stuff around was a RK => genetic on my guild and me going from GX => AB _-_U

Edited by Kiryu, 29 May 2011 - 11:03 AM.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 03:41 PM

well, uninterruptible recall would suck, also phen/bloody/Orleans etc, are items able to be able to be use by ANY class.

a friend poisoned two weeks ago a huge deal of killers (around six of them before going down to a gfist+clashing) he went down but then the damage he did avoid the same shura to spam gfist like crazy. by giving us a window for the RG to catch to the help of ABs after killing the genetic.

and this was in 20 to 30 seconds flat.



Forgot to add... for one thing I'm up is for magic to get more damage on woe... yeah I advocate MATK>ATK... Sadly I have seen a reduction of mage classes around and then everyone pop a swordman class/genetic and shuras ~_~u


only weird stuff around was a RK => genetic on my guild and me going from GX => AB _-_U


Indeed, recall being unstopable would suck really bad, i think Phen should work with most of the skills on woe, of course with exceptions.
This can be a help for casters, considering they are already useless even doing precast MATK formula i think is also broke or wrong.
There must be some solution for this big issue, then no one will play with casters again, because they wont be worth it, the time and patience. (whoops! That is how is it right now)

Edited by FiskBlack, 29 May 2011 - 03:44 PM.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 03:50 PM

My advice to you would be to stop raging, leave all of your online possessions alone, and go play a different game for a while until you cool down.
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Posted 29 May 2011 - 05:48 PM

I'm biased, I say let Unlimited Humming work in siege.

That said, for all the talk about how difficult it is to cast spells in siege, I sure do see a lot of skills being cast in my screen on Saturday nights. I was almost constantly under the freezing effect for most of siege last night and it wasn't Rangers or Mechanics causing it. The problem is that no one wants to play Warlock because all other 3rds have a more powerful or more spammable AoE.

I think there are a few Mage class players who just need to re-educate themselves. WoE isn't the same anymore, that's why it's called Renewal. Get over it.
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Posted 29 May 2011 - 06:02 PM

I'm biased, I say let Unlimited Humming work in siege.

That said, for all the talk about how difficult it is to cast spells in siege, I sure do see a lot of skills being cast in my screen on Saturday nights. I was almost constantly under the freezing effect for most of siege last night and it wasn't Rangers or Mechanics causing it. The problem is that no one wants to play Warlock because all other 3rds have a more powerful or more spammable AoE.

I think there are a few Mage class players who just need to re-educate themselves. WoE isn't the same anymore, that's why it's called Renewal. Get over it.


Yes, sir. But not just Warlocks, also sorcerers.
Renewal is different true, but my gosh they cant do anything anymore. Almost any class can own them easly. x_x (obvilously excluding spell caster class....)
And the damage is pathetic low...

Edited by FiskBlack, 29 May 2011 - 06:04 PM.

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 10:04 AM

Yes, sir. But not just Warlocks, also sorcerers.
Renewal is different true, but my gosh they cant do anything anymore. Almost any class can own them easly. x_x (obvilously excluding spell caster class....)
And the damage is pathetic low...


All the sorcerers in my guild get instant cast when they hop in my strings and whip out their wind summon (I forget what level, but it just subtracts a flat 1 second from fixed cast time which is what most of their skills have) so I don't usually consider them when thinking about cast time issues.

Damage from mage classes is a different problem, and I'm all for increasing that damage.
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Posted 30 May 2011 - 10:39 AM

All the sorcerers in my guild get instant cast when they hop in my strings and whip out their wind summon (I forget what level, but it just subtracts a flat 1 second from fixed cast time which is what most of their skills have) so I don't usually consider them when thinking about cast time issues.

Damage from mage classes is a different problem, and I'm all for increasing that damage.


Yes, sorcerers actually can have prety near instant cast time on many of their skills (earth grave can be instant) but that is on special ocations with Strings and of course Ventus effect lv 1, and no, the ventus effect just reduce cast time, the skill is also bugged.
That if you got pleny good well gears like 9+CoD of caster and 2x sprint rings. Even with those the cast time is horrible slow witouth strings. And considering the damage is just pathetic is not worth the effort and gears.
One of the biggest issues on caster/mage classes is matk formula.
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Posted 30 May 2011 - 11:03 AM

Yes, sir. But not just Warlocks, also sorcerers.
Renewal is different true, but my gosh they cant do anything anymore. Almost any class can own them easly. x_x (obvilously excluding spell caster class....)
And the damage is pathetic low...


O.o

So.. since when Warlock's damage is pathetic? O.o
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Posted 30 May 2011 - 11:18 AM

Yes, sorcerers actually can have prety near instant cast time on many of their skills (earth grave can be instant) but that is on special ocations with Strings and of course Ventus effect lv 1, and no, the ventus effect just reduce cast time, the skill is also bugged.
That if you got pleny good well gears like 9+CoD of caster and 2x sprint rings. Even with those the cast time is horrible slow witouth strings. And considering the damage is just pathetic is not worth the effort and gears.
One of the biggest issues on caster/mage classes is matk formula.

It's actually Passive lv3 Ventus...

Not like that solves anything anyways. Summons are squishy enough as they are.

Edited by GuardianTK, 30 May 2011 - 11:19 AM.

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Posted 30 May 2011 - 11:32 AM

It's actually Passive lv3 Ventus...

Not like that solves anything anyways. Summons are squishy enough as they are.

both ventus can do the reduction cast time, but i will repeat this, the reduction cast time its kind of a bug, its not supossed to work like that, and as far i readed in the next updates, the extra added cast time too all warlocks and sorcerers skills plus more delay also fixes that reduction cast time from sorc......
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