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[Wanderer]

Ok, so the great answer to auction house improving question in the Q&A session was:

'We are working on a ragial-like system'

And now I must ask:

What the hell does that have to do with the original question?

Someone doesn't seem to understand the main advantages of the auction house which are unreplaceable by vending right now:

- You don't need to be logged in to get your stuff sold.
- You are not capped at 99,990,000 zeny.

And all you have to do is REMOVE OR LOWER the fee which basically asks you to pay ~1m zeny just to 'show' ONE item for 72hs, and also do some broadcasting advertising the system since it's so unpopular some people don't even know it!

[DrAzzy]

I prefer the current vend-centric system. It would be nice if we could get the auction house into proper shape for selling big items, but I very much do not want to see vending replaced for the majority of items. The vending system adds considerable depth to the economic aspects of RO.

An auction system would remove all the strategies specific to vends, and also eliminate the concept of an impulse buy.

What would be very nice is if you could set some option (or even have it behave like this by default) - when your char gets DC'ed with a vend up, the char remains in game until you log in again (giving the "server already recognizes login" and kicking your vending char off). I'm not sure if this is practical to implement, but I think this would be the ideal solution.

[Krispin]

Vendor search is a good thing, don't kid yourself Wanderer.

Its true that it has nothing to do with the auction house, but I'm sure not complaining about this feature.

But then I'm not trying to keep the market hyper inflated by selling things for 1,000,000,000+ zeny so I also couldn't give a rats ass about the auction house.

[Wanderer]

Auctions are capped at 990,000,000 zeny and also you can't place stuff under 10mil so vending remains important.

As easy as modifing the fee they don't need to ask HQ at all...

And for the record, I'm not complaining about vendor search system but it won't replace the advantages of the auction house at all, I'm talking about apples and they come up with oranges ._.

[Talvis]

Auctions are capped at 990,000,000 zeny and also you can't place stuff under 10mil so vending remains important.

As easy as modifing the fee they don't need to ask HQ at all...

And for the record, I'm not complaining about vendor search system but it won't replace the advantages of the auction house at all, I'm talking about apples and they come up with oranges ._.

It's pretty sad that inflation has gotten so bad on iRO that things are selling for more then 990mil.

[Sera]

I prefer the current vend-centric system. It would be nice if we could get the auction house into proper shape for selling big items, but I very much do not want to see vending replaced for the majority of items. The vending system adds considerable depth to the economic aspects of RO.

An auction system would remove all the strategies specific to vends, and also eliminate the concept of an impulse buy.

What would be very nice is if you could set some option (or even have it behave like this by default) - when your char gets DC'ed with a vend up, the char remains in game until you log in again (giving the "server already recognizes login" and kicking your vending char off). I'm not sure if this is practical to implement, but I think this would be the ideal solution.

I've tried explaining this before, but a proper AH does have a certain bit of strategery to it in it's own right. Also it makes it easier for items to be bought and sold in bulk.

And at least on Ymir, it's good for newer players too, because higher leveled players can list garbage gear and forget about it without it taking up vend slots. It really does add a lot of depth to what you're able to buy and sell.

The only potential problem I can see with it is RO's poor handling of item limits.

I would really like something to replace the selling of items worth more than 99mil. The forums just don't cut it because a lot of people don't read them, and most of the people who do post in marketplace threads are lowballers and/or scammers.

Edited by Sera, 03 June 2011 - 12:39 PM.

[mooMOOmoo]

If everyone are using the current Auction Hall, then it is the result of inflation went extremely bad.

Edited by mooMOOmoo, 03 June 2011 - 12:57 PM.

[Sera]

It's not just inflation though, more valuable items have also been implemented, and you also have to take that into account.

If a tribe deals in copper and bronze, and suddenly someone shows up with iron, the iron has to be more expensive than copper and bronze, but the copper and bronze still retain a certain minimum value, and that's sort of what has happened with RO in a way. Progressively better things have been implemented, but some of the older stuff still has a certain minimum value, leading to an overall gradual upwards trend.

I mean, granted, inflation does have something to do with it, but my point is, it's not ONLY inflation.

Edited by Sera, 03 June 2011 - 01:05 PM.

[Charon]

I don't get this either.

They just need to loosen up the fees and people may use it, or they may not and it will remain as useless as before. That's all the question was about.

It has nothing to do with how useful vending is, or who doesnt want it replaced by something else (why would.. wtf?), nor has it anything to do with the future vend search system.

What the question was simply about is
LOWER THE FEE OF THE AUCTIONHOUSE BECAUSE ITS UNREASONABLE, HENCE NO ONE USES IT.

There is nothing that can go wrong here or whatever. Don't make it more confusing than it is by talking about stuff that isn't irrelevant to the matter, which is the auction house.

Edited by Charon, 03 June 2011 - 01:23 PM.

[Akin]

I just when in and put up a Skull for 1 hour if anyone wants to buy it for 10 mil

What I found is that the minimum bid is 10 mil, but the max duration is only 48 hours (12k zeny per hour cost for a max of 576k zeny). I have to disagree with you Azzy, I feel that the 10 mil minimum bid doesn't reduce the necessity of vending. In fact, having a viable Auction House could help people who spend a lot of time vending and shopping a lot (slow moving, yet valuable items). Not to mention remove some of the human error involved ("crap I sold my 20 mil sword for 2 mil").


Anyway, all they need to do is (in order of importance):

• Throw an auction house broker NPC into Eden's group.
• Lower that fee down to a flat 50k/day.
• Increase the days it can stay in auction to 7 (350k max cost).
• Provide some sort of automated global messaging system where people can advertise certain items for zeny.

For example, I could put my Skull up for auction for 7 days for 350k, and for an extra 1mil I could have that item's sale broadcast to people in Prontera/Edens at certain time intervals throughout the day (nothing too spammy, but maybe once every 30 min or so).

[Nilami]

No town announcements, thanks. Maybe an updated sign post or something that you could check remotely instead of having to go to an actual auction house, but any kind of town/server announcements would be horrible (UNLESS they gave us a choice in chat setup to block it, that way we could have a separate chat tab just for shopping).

Otherwise, Akin has some good ideas.

Edited by Nilami, 03 June 2011 - 01:48 PM.

[Flower]

I agree to the no spam in town about your auctions.
Yes every half hour for ONE auction item would not be that bad, but multiply that by 50-100 people or items on auction in one day, and get those spammed at you every half hour. no thank you.

[Charon]

Just put them on some sign or other NPC.

[Krispin]

Problem one is that the auction house is in an inconvenient place nobody goes to.
Solution: put a signboard or npc near each of the kafra girls in prontera that basically acts the same as the auction house itself.
Some may not like the idea of adding more npc's to the city, but without adding very easy access to it the problem of nobody using it will never be solved, not unless its something priced over ninety nine million and therefore exceeding the max amount a player shop can vend for.

Just came back from a dungeon?
BAM there's the AH right there waiting for you as you bwing back.

The second issue is of course the listing price.
Nobody wants to spend money to *attempt* to sell something, simple as that.

As for selling things under ten million, I hardly find this as an issue since 99% of the time you can just find such a thing from a vendor, and they're not spending money to list it in their shop either.
Plus with the vendor search function coming this will become even less of an issue since you wont have to window shop or rely on ragial to find something.

Edited by Krispin, 03 June 2011 - 02:50 PM.

[Akin]

No town announcements, thanks. Maybe an updated sign post or something that you could check remotely instead of having to go to an actual auction house, but any kind of town/server announcements would be horrible (UNLESS they gave us a choice in chat setup to block it, that way we could have a separate chat tab just for shopping).

Otherwise, Akin has some good ideas.

I agree to the no spam in town about your auctions.
Yes every half hour for ONE auction item would not be that bad, but multiply that by 50-100 people or items on auction in one day, and get those spammed at you every half hour. no thank you.

Meh, I was thinking more of the 100 mil taken out of the economy by your scenario Flower. I wouldn't expect that many people would even want to take advantage of that service if it costs 1 mil or more a pop. Especially if AH NPCs are put in eden's group, and especially if it's just limited to prontera. It can't be any worse than the spamming when Ultimate does his hide and seek.

But that's why I listed them in order of importance! Sign posts are good too.

[Heimdallr]

Strategic reason for auction house being in its "own world" is security.
The fees are a counter inflation, listing fees should be a % of what you are putting at a minimum, and then the sell price would have any remainder taken out (if the price went higher than your minimum). Are the fees perhaps too steep? Maybe, could we link to the aucion house differently, Yes we could but the auction house still must remain where it was, just a door going to it.

If it is something that would make a group happy we can see how much tweaking is possible with the fees and how they are taken out.

[Pyrasia]

A door, or an NPC, in Eden HQ to Auction House sounds great to me.

[Flower]

I've seen the hide and seek spam, wish there was a way to remove that from chat also.

[Talvis]

Lowering the fees would go a long way to making the auction house more viable.

[Nomad4Lyfe]

I am a fan of the global auction message system, as long as:

1) The minimum is raised higher, like maybe 50 mil? To lower the amount of people using it

2) There is a way to block it in the chat box, so you can have it in its own tab or something.
OR
There's no way you guys can just do this without HQ behind you, but some sort of /auction command to write in the current auctions going on

3) A fee still exists. To at least limit trolls...


Basically, if there is a way to check current auctions from just about anywhere in the game without annoying people with messages, +1 to that.

[Wanderer]

I feel that a global broadcast is necessary at least the first week to announce the changes, and maybe permanent broadcast on the auction room announcing new items?

A link from every town or eden to AH should be reasonable, currently you can only access it from 4 towns.

A % fee sounds fair (only if the item gets sold) but if that means to go through HQ and wait 6 months for even an answer then: No, I'll stick to just lowering the fee.