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[Mefistofeles]

First, you're mixing up re-use timer and aftercast delay.

Second, your info about genetics are wrong, unless you are grossly exaggerating. They have plenty of skills with re-use timer similar to sorc skills: Thorn wall, demonic fire, howl, crazy vines, spore explosion

Third, you didn't mention how expensive genetic skills are to cast, or their terrible HP mod.

Going by ymir ragial prices: (because they have less bots)

Thorn Wall - costs 300k zeny per use
Thorn Trap - costs 300k zeny per use
Mandragora Howl - costs 200k per use
Hell Plant - costs 30k per use (or considerably cheaper if self-crafted)


You are misrepresenting info to give a biased comparison.

CMON when the zeny was a problem? if its a problem for you just quit already, becouse in that case all classes should have expensive skills to for a decent damage and i really like that idea, like varetyr spear with the most sad and weak damage ever in thirdclasses skills, if it consumes a rough wind per cast but i does 6x the actual damage( the 6x its nothing compared with acid bomb or hell plant or mandragora or cart canon) could be more worthy than epic fail summon that will be 1 shoted with a trans skill like acid bomb or cs (almost all kinds of db in server can 1 shot any summon except fire one)

AND DEAR LORD IF YOU CANT AFFORD FOR THOSE SKILLS, CART CANON ITS CHEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPER AND HAVE AN INSANE FAST CAST TIME(no fixed cast time.... LOL? why? why? why? they can have all skills with no fixed cast times?) and know we are getting a good change with mandragora howling

[Kadelia]

its nothing compared with acid bomb
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be 1 shoted with a trans skill like acid bomb

This is how I know you don't have a clue what you're talking about lol

Edited by Jaye, 09 June 2011 - 11:10 AM.

[Bronx]

I find it rather amusing to read people's reactions when certain, clearly OP classes, get struck with the nerf bat. I mean what did you expect to happen?

Ex. I'm dueling you in PvP. You have a Katana, and I have a bazooka. Clearly I'm at an advantage. Someone steps in and says, "Hey guy with the bazooka, you can't use a bazooka, you have to use something alittle less threatening like a handgun." Everyone who's been owning face with bazookas, and people who have been benefitting from having friends with bazookas, start to post on the Warp Portal forums QQing about how they should be allowed to blow everyone up with thier bazookas.

Howling is broken. People say it's expensive to spam, but the catalyst is easily farmable if you're not lazy. It's only expensive if you are not willing to hunt a 8% base drop item yourself. It's not the only thing that's broken about Renewal, but things have to be looked at one at a time. Other skills, if they are broken also, will get fixed in due time. You notice Suras and Genetics have been the subject of alot of nerf talk, and rightfully so.

This game needs to be made more fun again, whether you're on the winning side or the losing side. It used to be fun a long time ago. Sure, everyone wanted to win, but the fights were more fun back in the day when the game was more balanced than it is now. Now it's all about stacking the most abusable classes together to "win", completely taking fun out of the equation. This is a game, and we play for fun.

Back on topic, triple spawns in Magma, Juperos, Abyss, and Rachel please.

Edited by Bronx, 09 June 2011 - 11:32 AM.

[Nova]

I find it rather amusing to read people's reactions when certain, clearly OP classes, get struck with the nerf bat. I mean what did you expect to happen?

Ex. I'm dueling you in PvP. You have a Katana, and I have a bazooka. Clearly I'm at an advantage. Someone steps in and says, "Hey guy with the bazooka, you can't use a bazooka, you have to use something alittle less threatening like a handgun." Everyone who's been owning face with bazookas, and people who have been benefitting from having friends with bazookas, start to post on the Warp Portal forums QQing about how they should be allowed to blow everyone up with thier bazookas.

Its not so much QQing about our class (i play genetic as well) as the constant bash on the skill when its easily dodged as Lamb has explained in his example. If you look at the post, most, if not all of the genetics posting almost welcome the nerf cause it helps us as well. Including myself.

[Bronx]

It wasn't directed towards genetics, even though my 3rd paragraph mentions genetics. I must admit, Genetics are taking thier nerfs pretty well, while the Suras cried like a bunch of whiney pimple faced kids.

[Hulk]

people QQ too much. the game is not done yet it is still under the process of balancing it and any of the skills are not permanent everybody should know that. god damn people qq's everytime when they get nerfed while others are ok with how some classes are weak. accept changes and move on.

[FatalityX]

How about that KVM to Valor Badge converting npc, vise versa. Been waiting on that for awhile.

[DarkDan]

People are going to keep complaining. You nerf a class it will cause the people who play the class to complain. If you don't nerf it then people whine that it needs a nerf. No win situation.

The whiners who say nerf this and nerf that are not going to stop. Even if they get their way. They will find something else to whine about. They moaned about RG's. The kRO patch nerfed the class and people quit moaning. They still werent happy so they whined about the Sura's. The GM's nerfed the KVM fist and they still aren't happy so they whined about the genetics. People are already starting to whine about warlocks and white imprisonment. Also hear people whining about deep sleep lullaby.

This is a never ending battle that the GM's have to face each and every day. Its like some people just can't have fun playing the game. Its a game people. Take it for what it is and try to enjoy it.

[Heimdallr]

Closing thread and posting the actual patch notes.