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#1 Wiggles

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 05:33 PM

Direct from Oda

Now as a community/in-game guy, I have a little more freedom to do patrols and remove botrings. As I post in any bot related thread:

-Send me a forum PM if you have a bot to report, I don't need screenshots a name and class will do
-Mass bots I can remove in large numbers, give me one name and a dozen can be banned at a time


Recent ticket [1E8-158780A6-C571] answered by Scher.

Thank you for your time in sending us this ill-mannered report. We appreciate the information however, you did not include the screenshot in your report. Kindly provide screenshots (if any) of the reported character and include their names as well as for reference.


Honestly what is the point of attaching a screenshot with my mouse over a players character showing their name? What does that prove. Nothing, which is why its pointless.
My conclusion is that you are paying your staff peanuts, so you are getting monkeys. Lazy monkeys. That would rather spend 2 minutes writing a response instead of going ingame and typing a command to warp to that player and banning them.
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#2 Droyd

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 05:37 PM

Direct from Oda



Recent ticket [1E8-158780A6-C571] answered by Scher.



Honestly what is the point of attaching a screenshot with my mouse over a players character showing their name? What does that prove. Nothing, which is why its pointless.
My conclusion is that you are paying your staff peanuts, so you are getting monkeys. Lazy monkeys. That would rather spend 2 minutes writing a response instead of going ingame and typing a command to warp to that player and banning them.


Oda doesnt need screenshots. Scher does.
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#3 Ralis

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 05:45 PM

I've never understood why they need screenshots in the first place. Screenshots don't exactly prove much in the case of botting, considering they do about the same thing as any other player: walk around and kill monsters, then pick up the loot. The main indicators are going to be if they have a name like "asdag", are on a Rogue and have been online for hundreds of hours at a time.

Oda did say he has more 'freedom', though, so I'm not sure if the support team are required to get more screenshots or what. =/

Also, gotta get in a troll comment... If they're feeding paying them peanuts, wouldn't they have elephants? D:

Edited by Ralis, 13 June 2011 - 05:48 PM.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 05:51 PM

I got the same thing from Scher today, I sent the ticket number to Heimdallr. Hopefully he'll put this guy in line.

The original ticket had the character name in question, the map, the time, the server, his behavior (teleporting on sight) and why I thought he was a bot, a clear reason why he was botting (collecting commonly botted materials), and mention that his vender had a very suspicious vend history. In other words, more than enough reason to look into it.

I agree. You can screenshot any character and scream "BOT!". Screenshots mean nothing. It isn't my job to investigate the reports.

Greetings from the WarpPortal Support Team.

Thank you for your time in sending us this ill-mannered report. We appreciate the information however, you did not include the screenshot in your report. Kindly provide screenshots (if any) of the reported character and include their names as well as for reference.

We look forward to your next response and we greatly appreciate your cooperation regarding this matter.

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Edited by Kitten, 13 June 2011 - 05:54 PM.

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#5 jake0619

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 06:31 PM

well he did say forum pm not ticket
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 06:42 PM

I never get that answer for my bot report ticket without SS. I only gave details like name/class/map. Not sure if you include name when u made that report, but SS is like to confirm the offender name.

Example of my report


Subject Suspect Botting: 3rd Class

Hi,
Name : xxxxxxxxxx
Class : G.Cross
Reason : Bot behaviour
Location : Glast Heim Culvert Anolian Map


Name : xxxxxxxxx
Class : G.Cross
Reason : Bot behaviour
Location : Glast Heim Culvert Anolian Map

Name : xxxxxxxxxx
Class : Paladin Level 99
Reason : Bot behaviour
Location : Glast Heim Culvert Anolian Map, Kobold map

thanks and regards,


Greetings from the WarpPortal Support Team.

Thank you for sending us this ill-mannered report. We appreciate the information that you sent us. We will monitor this player's activity and give sanctions whenever necessary. If you encounter other players performing suspicious activity, you're welcome to report them to us for investigation.

We truly appreciate your cooperation regarding this matter.

Have a pleasant day!

Scher


I only report 3rd class btw.
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#7 Heimdallr

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 06:45 PM

For tickets its for record keeping, and so we can check if there is a misspelling on who we are investigating.

I know from when I was wielding the big ban stick about 30% of the time the name a player stated was actually slightly off, meaning I was pulling up information of the wrong person to try and investigate. This is a big deal, not because the wrong person gets blocked, because it wastes time of ours to get it straightened out. A screenshot (especially when reporting actual players) is extremely helpful as it shows us class, appearance, a time, name, where they are; all those things help us to see a pattern and allow us to test appropriately. For the farmers our desire and need for extensive info is lessened, but we certainly need acurate name/map/time data.

Oda, when time permits, is willing to shortcut the process a little bit. But his time (and mine) are not so open all the time to allow us ban time, which is why the ticket system will never be replaced by zealous CMs.

We'll have a discussion to see what we can shortcut further regarding the ticket tool to make it not so frustrating of a process. (BTW even if they say send a SS, most of the time if the rest of the info is submitted it still goes a list, just the bottom of the investigate list).
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 06:46 PM

Regardless of how annoying it might be to include a screenshot, I'm sure he's given rules he has to follow and he's just doing his job. Cut the guy some slack.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:08 PM

Can you guys increase the amount of screen shots that can be uploaded in the ticket system?

I report a dozen at a time considering they're all in the same map.

I do use the pointer so the bot's IGN appears and uploading it 5 at a time seems a bit time consuming for the GM team and myself. (I would've said "the community" but I'm not sure if other players do it my way -_-)
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:16 PM

Can you guys increase the amount of screen shots that can be uploaded in the ticket system?


^THIS^

I usually end up just copy and pasting them all in one screenshot because the ticket system is still slow and I don't want to spend an hour sending in 10 tickets when I can make one with all regional bots on the same screenshot. Would be way faster if they just added a feature that allowed you more upload spots as needed.
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:40 PM

Regardless of how annoying it might be to include a screenshot, I'm sure he's given rules he has to follow and he's just doing his job. Cut the guy some slack.


Really? Then how come other tickets I send in with the exact same format and no screenshot get through?

Thank you for reporting such characters. We will monitor this character closely. If the usage of a third party program is confirmed, necessary action will be taken against the account.

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@Heim - For records? How about when you log in and check them, you take your own damn screenshot.
I do not misspell the names. You can get class/appearance/location from your databases. Or use 3rd party databases such as ROPD. The time you can get from the timestamp of me submitting the ticket.

@Ralis - Paying peanuts, getting monkeys is an old idiom that is used frequently in HR management theory.
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:49 PM

Chasing around telebots is totally my idea of a good time.
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 08:04 PM

Umm Wiggles, you may be adept at figuring out the els and eyes and spaces with bars, but not everyone is, and the amount of fruitless checking the GM would do trying to figure out if this is even the person they are reporting is the reason the SS policy even came to pass.

The point is if you want us to investigate what you are reporting, we need the data to allow us to start the investigation. We will see about trying to barebones the requirements and all that for "farmers" and sellers, but for reporting other players we need alot more confirmation to be sure it is the right person.

To be honest, we are backed up on tickets and will remain so for a few more weeks, any deeper investigations we do for supposed ill-mannered activities, like rechecking incomplete reports, is actually people staying past clockout time to pursue it beyond the checking the report at reception, and frequently we are doing the extra checking logs further and seeing what further extensions to the farmers have done. So us asking for at least a complete report versus answering 3 tickets from people that are having problems actually playing is a sensical action and not just done to be spiteful or "lazy".

We are not spiteful nor are we lazy, we are just busy, and doing all we can to not have to sluff to a lesser tier of customer service. We have played other games and experienced the customer service of other companies, we have done our own customer service for years and really we get agitated when we aren't able to do all that we know we can. Our goal as always is to deliver a superior experience to our players, through customer service, game updates, and events. The GM team wants nothing more than to have the tickets all answered and have half a shift remaining to get in the games and not only host events for our players but to actually enrich the game experience by their presence and presents. But the key is getting those tickets answered, every ticket in our queue is potentially a player having a terrible time and not able or quickly becoming unwilling to play. Leaving those players is the same as us saying "we don't care and go away", and that message is not acceptable. Every Ill-mannered ticket is similar, but it is a player asking us to take justice on this other because its the rules. Priority wise fixing a players problem comes before fulfilling "justice of rules". So to be considered on the similar tier of priority as the player asking for help, we need the form filled out.
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Posted 13 June 2011 - 10:33 PM

How much does misspelling and grammar mistakes affect your time on tickets btw? xD I'd guess there's a lot of language barrier issues that could potentially slow you guys down a lot...
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Posted 14 June 2011 - 12:11 AM

I have a reccomendation for the bot hunting, and I'm sure I allready stated it in another thread, but well... XD

I know you're not so well with taking things other server had, if it's not kRO or jRO, but I loved the way we could report bots back on euRO.
As you may know, we could contact our gm's (in all kind of gm-help stuff) with simply whisper to them ingame. We whispered to gm-eu (and similiar names regarding the language, for example gm-de for german) and they got the whisper masseges within their irc channel. It was very efficiant.
But your support portal is very fine, and I think there's no need for that.
But euRO had something else, too.

It had it's own whisper-adress for bothunters.
If we pm'd gm-bot, the massege reached the bothunters immedeatly. We told them the map, the cls and if possible the name and headgears.
If a bothunter was online, he could check this bot up right away, catching it red-handed. If the player doesn't respond, doesn't react when he got warped to a different place on the map (over and over again to be sure) or showed a clear bot behavior, there weren't any reasons for further investigations (as long as it wasn't a bunch of novice bots who got observed to catch the bigger accounts behind them).
It could make your work a lot easier as well.
And if no bothunter is online, there's still the way to take a screenshot and send it in.
On this way, they could handle all the bot problems. During the first years, bots were plenty, but afterwards? You rarely saw one. Like the difference between Valk and Ymir ;3


You don't need to copy that, maybe you'll find another fast way to send in bot reports and to react quickly to them.
Maybe you can think about that ^^
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Posted 14 June 2011 - 01:27 PM

Get 5 KVM points for every legitimate bot found. What do you guys think?
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Posted 14 June 2011 - 01:59 PM

DieNasty : While it would be funny, I don't want to incentivize underground bot farm creation for the sake of giving KVM tokens away. Also the logistics in keeping track of who gets x token would get crazy. Right now it would only be a manual process and keeping track of each GMs blocks, and who reported, then compiling a list and then rewarding a bounty would be a huge time sink.

One thing I noticed though when I was doing those reports is that after a few weeks you start to notice which people were solid reporters and that could be trusted to have good reports. Those people we tended to be able to copy their characters listed and fast track the investigation process a bit. It kinda felt like we had a tie with that one player and it was us working together to right the world. I know we appreciated those players.
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Posted 14 June 2011 - 02:25 PM

An apple for every bot ^^.

GM apple :D
The legendary apple that is only handed down to those who seek justice. It is rumored to enhance the power of the user.
+10 to all stats for 30 mins duration.

It shoud be Gold or Yellow with a stamp at the center or a sash across it saying "Justice" and traded by the GM himself :(

-_- GM Apple :(
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Posted 14 June 2011 - 02:40 PM

When we get that new recording system from kRO, will that make it easier to if we just record, and then send in the file? I heard it just records packets and so perhaps the botter's info will be in that?
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Posted 14 June 2011 - 03:23 PM

That recorder from kRO sakray. I really don't know what its final intention is. I wouldn't be surprised if it is a Sakray only thing so they can get test data back when reports are sent in. From discussions it sounds like they had issues of getting valid reports with actual useful data in them. So the recorder may be their way of skipping the lack of reporting capability and only rely on the players to find and reproduce their issue that they are reporting.

Or its a new planned feature.. but I'm not going to make plans for it until it shows up on an implementation docket.
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Posted 14 June 2011 - 09:42 PM

It kinda felt like we had a tie with that one player and it was us working together to right the world. I know we appreciated those players.


Oh Heim you make me feel all warm inside.
But the truth is I do it cause I enjoy it. Righting the world is only a by-product.

The offer of my employment is still on the table. You told me to email my portfolio but nowhere on the Warp Portal site is there an appropriate email address =)

My point is that there are so many bots, writing a story about each one gets painstakingly monotonous. The ticket hit-and-miss situation makes it even worse. Why bother going to all the effort when only 1 in 2 bots I report actually get banned. Then those that do, now you give them a second chance. Its quite frustrating.

From now on, I will send a screenshot only with a blank email message. Is that sufficient?
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