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#1 Estancia

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:05 PM

change the kvm fist back to how it was please.

Stop listening to Valk players w/o Ghostrings and Devilings.

Gfist with +9 kvm fist does about 20k damage to a person with GR and DR on (damage varies depending on what kind of stat foods/gears you use), which is not enough to kill anyone actually.

So why not just change it back to how it was?

Oh and I spent 50+ bucks +9 my kvm fist. just sayin'

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:13 PM

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:18 PM

No....

That is all.
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#4 Estancia

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:21 PM

if your character wasnt 150 and died to gfist. i'm sorry.

no i'm not really sorry but yeah.

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Edited by Estancia, 20 June 2011 - 03:23 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:23 PM

Renewal's intention was to do away with instant cast. So if they are gonna let Sura instant cast by having this weap, then they should change ALL of us back to pre renew casting mechanics. NO cherry picking!!! Either no instant for ANY class, or instant for every class.

Edited by Trixdee, 20 June 2011 - 03:35 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:23 PM

And did something changed? If it never killed someone in WOE, why you want to put it back, to never kill anyone again?

If they don't want to put Instant cast in Archer skills which need them [They had in prerenewal], why put it on a Monk skill which never reached instant cast even with all the possible buffs in pre-renewal?

I prefer if they nerf ghostring and deviling instead of putting this fist back.

Edited by asayuu, 20 June 2011 - 03:26 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:23 PM

The damage on it is really poor. They should just "nerf" it to full instant cast so you can't weapon swap on it. That first "fix" was the real mistake. It was heim's idea too! Big surprise.
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#8 Estancia

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:24 PM

The damage on it is really poor. They should just "nerf" it to full instant cast so you can't weapon swap on it. That first "fix" was the real mistake. It was heim's idea too! Big surprise.


This sounds like a decent idea and I totally agree with it.

The ridiculous damage is usually from weapon switching.

I guess it's better to completely "nerf" it by having no cast time on gfist at all.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:31 PM

And did something changed? If it never killed someone in WOE, why you want to put it back, to never kill anyone again?

If they don't want to put Instant cast in Archer skills which need them [They had in prerenewal], why put it on a Monk skill which never reached instant cast even with all the possible buffs in pre-renewal?

I prefer if they nerf ghostring and deviling instead of putting this fist back.


I didn't say I "never" kill anyone with gfist.

It's my preference, I prefer gfist over GoH.

I agree with your opinion on archer skills but disagree with monk skill not having instant cast.

Decent champs in pre-renewal had gfists close to insta cast.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:31 PM

If everyone's wearing DRs and GRs and you're complaining about not one-shotting them, wouldn't you want to wear a different weapon to let you do more damage anyways? @@

Or do some teamwork... Lex / Freeze / Stone / Sleep

Edited by Ralis, 20 June 2011 - 03:32 PM.

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#11 Estancia

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:34 PM

If everyone's wearing DRs and GRs and you're complaining about not one-shotting them, wouldn't you want to wear a different weapon to let you do more damage anyways? @@

Or do some teamwork... Lex / Freeze / Stone / Sleep


With instant gfist I can at least do SOME damage to the opponent.

with all the -_-s going on during woe, it's hard to get ur gfist off.

Your RG must get fisted a lot less than before cuz you have aoe reflect up.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:37 PM

I generally only use my fist now when I want to do piss poor damage so I don't die to reflect. It's pretty throwaway at this point. Super lame. I don't bother fisting much now anyway KA>> gfist>> GOH. GOH is such a garbage skill.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:40 PM

how many times i killed gr since renewal.... like 312 times and never droped me the stupid card, the kvm fist its easier to get than gr and deviling, if you want gfist back to instant with kvm( a stupid monk class not even trans) they should put back old safety wall formula, and make all kvm weapons a buff like no cast time as you want, AND genetics can reach really easy instant cast times becouse they dont have the stupid FIXED CAST TIME THAT ALL MAGE CLASS SKILLS HAVE
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:42 PM

With instant gfist I can at least do SOME damage to the opponent.

with all the -_-s going on during woe, it's hard to get ur gfist off.

Your RG must get fisted a lot less than before cuz you have aoe reflect up.


Every other class has their cast times as well, yet them somehow manage...

Even when Howling'd I manage to get some casts off.

Nah, I get Fisted plenty, but most Suras have a high enough HP pool and know how much damage they need to do so they don't end up dying to my Reflect. If they die, it's generally because I had enough time to switch to my Alice Valk before they fisted me.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:43 PM

They should fix SW, yes. And remove its fixed cast time. Then we'll have to pneuma like we used to to fist people. Big deal. Will probably whine about that too then.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:44 PM

Go play a Warlock if you want REAL cast times to complain about. Sura has pretty much all advantage over mage class. More HP, Stronger, FASTER. Faster wins hands down over ANY caster. When you're DONE with that go make a priest and try to level with Magnus Failsorcismus. Sura is the last class that should complain about cast time being that they have so LITTLE of it.

Edited by Trixdee, 20 June 2011 - 03:53 PM.

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#17 Estancia

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:44 PM

how many times i killed gr since renewal.... like 312 times and never droped me the stupid card, the kvm fist its easier to get than gr and deviling, if you want gfist back to instant with kvm( a stupid monk class not even trans) they should put back old safety wall formula, and make all kvm weapons a buff like no cast time as you want, AND genetics can reach really easy instant cast times becouse they dont have the stupid FIXED CAST TIME THAT ALL MAGE CLASS SKILLS HAVE


You must be fron Valkyrie.

I understand how you feel. But Ymir is different. You could get devilings and ghostrings from OCA's.

OCA costs 5m each. GR is around 300m and DR is probably less than 1b. I'm pretty sure they are easier to get than +9 kvm fist.

Instant gfist should be OP in Valkyrie I guess, not in Ymir. So don't throw in things like "all the magics should be instant cast."

It's a nonsense.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:47 PM

The Sw nerf is bs. It should be SOMEWHAT on par with pneuma. It's complete trash though. They should probably make that one pet/summon mist thing not work with SW though. That seems a little sketchy.
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#19 Estancia

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:48 PM

Go play a Warlock if you want REAL cast times to complain about.


Do warlocks have to go right in front of enemies to start casting?

No.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:50 PM

I wouldn't mind fixing SW. AB's have extremely low HP mod.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:50 PM

Warlocks get release...
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 03:55 PM

I quickly ran out of -1's and am gonna run out of +1's here... that'll be a first.
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Posted 20 June 2011 - 04:03 PM

why the gentics have the power to dont have the infamous FIXED CAST TIME? UH? WHY? WHY THEY DONT AFTER CAST DELAY IN ALL SKILLS( mandragora howling was balanced with fixed cast time and aftercast delay, you know why? IT WAS OP) genetics NEEDS FIXED CAST TIMES IN ALL SKILLS AND AFTER CAST DELAY TO

Edited by Resplendent, 20 June 2011 - 04:35 PM.

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#24 Viri

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 04:13 PM

You can bypass your fixed cast time using one of your summons on sorcerer though... Enough to instant arullo and pwave and diamond dust and earth grave at least.

Edited by Viri, 20 June 2011 - 04:13 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2011 - 04:25 PM

You can bypass your fixed cast time using one of your summons on sorcerer though... Enough to instant arullo and pwave and diamond dust and earth grave at least.

its noy about my class, its about why genetics dont need to summon a SUPER WEAK STUPID PET THAT DONT HAVE COMANDS, or other thing to remove cast time, a genetic can OVER HIT LOCK TO DEATH IN MASSIVE HARDCORE RAAAAA,PING a sorc in pvp-woe, they need fixed cast time and after cast delay THATS ALL, FIXED CAST TIME AND AFTER CAST DELAY.

AND can you plssssssssss go to pvp izlude with a sorc with instant cast time with no strings? and try to defeat gheto or high bomber, AND DONT USE A PHEN(orleans too)
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