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[Trini]

Hi, I am wanting to confirm this here.

Can anyone inform me if The Paper Card increases your aspd by 5% without using the full card set?
The reason I am asking is because wiki says you need the set, but when i look at the card in the game, it says you don't need the set.

If it effects without the set, GX might well be able to get 191 aspd without KvM Katar. It would be weaker and slower but it should at least be competative.

[Ceer]

As a rule: Trust iROWiki over the in-game descriptions.

[Neba]

Hi, I am wanting to confirm this here.

Can anyone inform me if The Paper Card increases your aspd by 5% without using the full card set?
The reason I am asking is because wiki says you need the set, but when i look at the card in the game, it says you don't need the set.

If it effects without the set, GX might well be able to get 191 aspd without KvM Katar. It would be weaker and slower but it should at least be competative.

Also keep in mind that, % when it comes to ASPD does not equate to actual full points adding to ASPD. So if you have 186 ASPD, You should not assume you will have 191 after equiping the item that gives that effect. However the % used in the correct combination may raise your aspd+1 full point.

Pretty sure you can see the distinction with the new Demon Mask that was implemented.

Pretty sure the in game discription is wrong, so I would becareful with what to expect. The ingame discription also says your Movement Speed will be increased without the need of the set.

[Tsurugi]

Can you explain this? Im confused on exactly what this does.
[Lunakaligo]
A big dark fry pan that looks like its met its age.

{[Base Strength >= 77] ASPD + 4%} <---This part. Im assuming its giving me .4?, Causes Stun effect to enemies by 15% chance.
When a Brute, Plant or Fish Type monster is killed, 5% Chance to drop a food item.

[HRdevil]

As a rule: Trust iROWiki over the in-game descriptions.

This is so fake. Irowiki database has erronous discription that's been prooven like mystcase card, tatacho card, draco card and its not even getting updated with new headgears and such. Both in-game description and irowiki database could be wrong.

[Trini]

As a rule: Trust iROWiki over the in-game descriptions.

I am very much aware that irowiki is often wrong and the in game descriptions are more often accurate.

@Neba, Yes i am well aware of that as well, however 3 The Paper Cards or even 4 on a specialty Jur can give you 15% to 20% increased aspd which is very close to the Advanced Adrenaline Rush increase which I am aiming to emulate in order to get 191 aspd at least.

GX is able to get:
AGI 120+7(From Job)+30 (from food)+ 3 (from Enchantable Armor) + 10 From Increase AGI = 170+ (it can go further but this is what i am working with)
aspd +5% (from Glorious Ring)+ 10% (from Enrich Celermine Juice)+ 15% to 20% (from 3 to 4 The Paper Card if in game is correct)+25% (from Poison Bottle)

All of these bonuses can potentially give 191 aspd according to the 2 calculators available on irowiki which seem to be mostly accurate.
Based on my own tests, I can use 152 AGI and all the things here (substituting the paper card for Advanced Adrenaline Rush) and get 191 aspd, the problem is that it is difficult to get Advanced Adrenaline rush when you need it so, I am seeking a way to replace that, my solution when i read the paper card in game was to use 3 The Paper Cards on a +7 or higher Elemental Jur (for status effect and more attack via upgrades) this should allow a very high aspd, like 191 while still doing some decent damage and a little bonus status effect to help encumber the target.

So back to the question, if you KNOW whether The Paper Card's effect works without the thief set, please inform me. Thank you all for your contributions so far.

[GuardianTK]

1) You need to set if you want an increase in Aspd from that card.

2) Don't trust neither site to be fully accurate. I've found many of the in-game descriptions to be just as inaccurate as irowiki. The only way to find out the truth is through your own tests with said equipment if you want to be 100% sure.

3) Those Aspd calculators aren't accurate.

4) Instead of using Glorious Rings, you should be using Bison Horns with Kukre in them for +4 Agi each, adding up to +8 if you have two.

Edited by GuardianTK, 22 June 2011 - 12:45 PM.

[Trini]

1) I assume setting it means you need the set.

2) Thanks abotu the info, yea i don't trust either fully, hence why i am here now.

3) They are not completely accurate i agree, but they are fairly accurate, at least up to aspd of 188 or with some items, cuz it said i would get 193 aspd when i got 191 but it also said i would get 186, 187, 188 aspd when i actually did get it.

4) I also want the elemental resist of one Glorious ring for my own special reason, I'm not actually talking about what to use to max aspd though, i'm just trying to find out how the paper card works so I can put it into my final gear plan.

Edited by Trini, 22 June 2011 - 12:49 PM.

[DrAzzy]

You do need the set, and you can only get the 5% aspd bonus once - you cant use two to get 10% aspd, as it's a set effect.

[Stalkerness]

Irowiki database has erronous discription that's been prooven like mystcase card, tatacho card, draco card

Please elaborate, I see no issue with the description of these cards on iwdb.

[xinn]

You do need the set, and you can only get the 5% aspd bonus once - you cant use two to get 10% aspd, as it's a set effect.

Unless by some random chance KRO decides to make a 2 sloted slotter that you can slot armor etc then by all means put another paper card set in there and you got yourself +10 percent aspd xD.Cards that give bonus thru card sets cannot be duplicated from adding another duplicate card into that set. so basically what every one is saying 1 set one bonus.

[HRdevil]

Please elaborate, I see no issue with the description of these cards on iwdb.

Draco card is earth and not fire.
Tatacho card is neutral and not earth.
Mystcase gift box percentage is not 1%. Try it yourself. I get more pots from plasma card than gift boxes.

[Stalkerness]

I'll look at draco and tatacho whenever sakray comes up for testing, what you're describing seems backwards and counter intuitive; however kRO has done such things before. Cornus drop the holy card, Dark Pings drop the shadow, Aqua's drop the water, vespa's drop the wind, centipedes drop the poison. I'd be very surprised if kRO left out a fire reduction card.

Regarding myst case... You're comparing a single 1% chance against the sum of 4 mutually independent .5% chances? I would expect myst case to under-perform compared to plasma.

[Trini]

I'll look at draco and tatacho whenever sakray comes up for testing, what you're describing seems backwards and counter intuitive; however kRO has done such things before. Cornus drop the holy card, Dark Pings drop the shadow, Aqua's drop the water, vespa's drop the wind, centipedes drop the poison. I'd be very surprised if kRO left out a fire reduction card.

Regarding myst case... You're comparing a single 1% chance against the sum of 4 mutually independent .5% chances? I would expect myst case to under-perform compared to plasma.

Actually there are already some posts on this form talking about wiki's inaccuracy wit those cards. Someone even posted a link to a kRO database where you see the real effect. Also Maero of Thanatos Card casts decrease AGI not Level 3 Lightening Bolt as wiki says.

Thanks for the confirmation that i need to use the set. I know once it is set bonus i can't keep increasing the effect by adding more of 1 card, but thanks for the advice in any case.

Sigh, suddenly it does not seem so good anymore. The search continues then.

Edited by Trini, 23 June 2011 - 06:03 AM.

[Hrothmund]

Draco card is earth and not fire.
Tatacho card is neutral and not earth.
Mystcase gift box percentage is not 1%. Try it yourself. I get more pots from plasma card than gift boxes.

I found mystcase/mimic drop rates to be accurate when farming blank cards back in the days. Whats misleading about plasma card though is it gives
0.5% chance of fire pot
0.5% chance of thunder pot
0.5% chance of earthproof pot
0.5% chance of coldproof pot

Instead of giving 0.5% chance of (one of: fire/thunder/earth/coldproof pots), so its closer to 2% drop rate of a random pot. I say this because i get roughly the same amount of proof pots (in total) as blank cards. During the St. Patricks day event I got something like 1500 blank cards and about 300-400 of each proof pot.

@OP unless your HEAVILY stacking +aspd% equipments, they're pretty useless past about 180 aspd. you need at least 35% equip aspd gear to get from 192 to 193 aspd for example. Thats a tall order for non-merch classes.


*edit*

ok when did someone edit mystcase to say 1%? its 0.3% and thats what it used to show in wiki database im 98% sure. It does have inaccuracies in it though. Bapho card one is amusing if it hasnt been fixed yet.

Edited by Hrothmund, 23 June 2011 - 07:07 AM.

[Stalkerness]

Also Maero of Thanatos Card casts decrease AGI not Level 3 Lightening Bolt as wiki says.

fixed, someone typed skillid = 20 instead of = 30

Bapho card one is amusing if it hasnt been fixed yet.

Supposed to be 3x3, i think?

ok when did someone edit mystcase to say 1%? its 0.3% and thats what it used to show in wiki database im 98% sure.

I have no idea what it used to show, but all my sources list 0.3%, so it's been changed to that.

Edited by Stalkerness, 23 June 2011 - 09:44 AM.

[HRdevil]

I'll look at draco and tatacho whenever sakray comes up for testing, what you're describing seems backwards and counter intuitive; however kRO has done such things before. Cornus drop the holy card, Dark Pings drop the shadow, Aqua's drop the water, vespa's drop the wind, centipedes drop the poison. I'd be very surprised if kRO left out a fire reduction card.

Regarding myst case... You're comparing a single 1% chance against the sum of 4 mutually independent .5% chances? I would expect myst case to under-perform compared to plasma.

Even if i was comparing it with that, to me it didn't seemed like 1% and I do farm for elemental pots alot and get close to the same amount of green ales and gift boxes just a lil bit more green ale usually. The game can sometime have wrong and misleaading description and the tatacho card in-game says its neutral and GM confirmed it through ticket.

I thought that plasma card had a 0.5% chance to drop a random pot but you guys are saying its a 0.5% each because it says 'or' instead of 'and'. My point is that irowiki db is not 100% accurate and its not my fault if things turn out to be backwards.

[Trini]

Hmm, Looking at the paper card in game again. It shows that you get 5% aspd increase (after attack delay reduced by 5%) before the thief set. Then it goes on to show the thief set and say you get an additional 5% aspd with the set. Can some GM please confirm for me or change description in game?

[Hacks]

Hmm, Looking at the paper card in game again. It shows that you get 5% aspd increase (after attack delay reduced by 5%) before the thief set. Then it goes on to show the thief set and say you get an additional 5% aspd with the set. Can some GM please confirm for me or change description in game?

yeah... i'm gonna have to disagree with you on the handling of this issue.

i vote leave description and alter the item script to match it instead. either way, it's a text edit that doesnt require kRO support to implement.

[Trini]

yeah... i'm gonna have to disagree with you on the handling of this issue.

i vote leave description and alter the item script to match it instead. either way, it's a text edit that doesnt require kRO support to implement.

Heh, actually i agree with you on treatment but I doubt they will be so kind as to do that if it is not intended.

[Trini]

Bump. I sent tiket but no response yet. Will let you all know the response.

[Trini]

Bump?

[Trini]

Still no response to my Ticket