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#76 CaNehDa

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 05:19 PM

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You've been around here as long or longer than I have. How many times have you seen people capitalize on these kinds of things. Usually people are alot more creative and have to jump through more clever hoops than to break down items and trade or sell coins for spins. You've been over this ground so many times it's a no brainer - seriously, its a no brainer. I disagree with the characterization that this is abuse, not when you all knew what the possibilities were and made it allowable to trade coins or vend them. If you consciously make something tradable or vendable, then you shouldn't complain when people do it. I'm jumping to the only conclusion any reasonable minded person would come too. I have a masters degree in science, but a person with a GED would probably figure this all out just as quickly. No, I've never seen Office Space. I'm counter culture and don't watch much TV. Sorry if that means I'm not cool!



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Posted 23 June 2011 - 05:20 PM

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 05:25 PM

[quote name='Calanor' timestamp='1308879273' post='454556']



If all else fails yes re-install. Works for any application that gets updates pushed to it occasionally.



that means u doesnt try to fix it...so...u just ignore my(and others) problem ...??
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 05:29 PM

Cal,

You've been around here as long or longer than I have. How many times have you seen people capitalize on these kinds of things. Usually people are alot more creative and have to jump through more clever hoops than to break down items and trade or sell coins for spins. You've been over this ground so many times it's a no brainer - seriously, its a no brainer. I disagree with the characterization that this is abuse, not when you all knew what the possibilities were and made it allowable to trade coins or vend them. If you consciously make something tradable or vendable, then you shouldn't complain when people do it. I'm jumping to the only conclusion any reasonable minded person would come too. I have a masters degree in science, but a person with a GED would probably figure this all out just as quickly. No, I've never seen Office Space. I'm counter culture and don't watch much TV. Sorry if that means I'm not cool!


You couldn't vend coins, but you could vend masks.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 05:34 PM

another restart... or im the onlyone got dc?

nvm....got dc :)


still cant play on laptop.....

will there be any fix on genpatch now or what?

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 05:36 PM

If all else fails yes re-install. Works for any application that gets updates pushed to it occasionally.



that means u doesnt try to fix it...so...u just ignore my(and others) problem ...??

no it's possible to have any download do this it's rare with most programs but can still happen, I believe it happens with ROSE because of the weekly updates and changes to the TRose which seems to be the "keystone" file to the whole program.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 06:12 PM

You couldn't vend coins, but you could vend masks.


Fixed my original comment to say "trade coins and vend masks". Caught me on a small verbal mistake, but you get the icture.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 07:54 PM

Without you there's almost no "good" criticism to anything I kinda enjoy reading some of your posts.


I should be leader of the Rose Oversight Committee. -_-

Seriously though...although I seem to have been off on one of my Rose Sabbaticals every stinking time something that looks great has come out...like some of the larger updates...I still have been here for a ton and you know what? I can honestly say that I have *NEVER* in almost 6 years of doing this game *EVER* said to myself "WOW...this update has totally fixed (insert problem) or WOW I am totally happy with that update...seriously...not one single time. :) It's due to this that I think the root of my scathing online tongue comes from. I'm like 5'5 in real life and really quite small so I have no idea where my RAWWWRRRness comes from.

Why don't I quit? What in the hell would the fun be in that? I'm here until this terminally diseased of a cow finally takes its last breath(and is hopefully handed over to someone worthy in the community who can breathe some user-friendly life into it). To me, that's the end game content(along with the rebirth content). I better be made a GM in the new hands because I still have asses to kick and names to remember.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 08:33 PM

Get the ass kick by DEV team one a week is bad enough. However, when I start getting my ass kick twice in one week, it is horrible. When the DEV team first restrict the luck spin items to account bound, I thought, "well, it is bad, but at least the coin is trade-able. I can buy the coins, trade them to my main account, and start collecting the item."

Unwanted Lucky Spin items can be broken down into Lucky Spin coins which can be dragged into the coin slot in the Lucky Spin window to convert the coins back into additional spins, 1 spin is given per 5 coins inserted. The Lucky Spin coins are also tradeable.


I did just that. I bought ton of lucky coin in my vendor char. That is where the second ass kick is coming.

* A change to the Lucky Spin Coin's is being put into place to make them account bound for the duration of this week.

The DEV Team make the coin account bound. One again, I stuck with massive coin in the incorrect account. It is hard to put in the good word for DEV Team action. What they speak is entirely opposite with what they do. It is hard not to use the word, "greedy" or "cash robbing" to describe the DEV Team's action. The explanation that they gave is oxymoron, and I agree with Coffee that we don't need a master degree to figure out what wrong with this game. I hope you have a better business plan in the future because I know ton of people would never purchase their IM points again only to let the DEV team to kick their asses as well.
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 08:39 PM

I was wondering why you guys didn't come back.

And why do we have so many people abusing everything. Then we have to suffer for it. You should ban them at least for a while. Dangit where is the Throw Rocks emoticon when you need it!


I will give you the actual rock to throw at them lol. Luckily all this mess happen when I'm at work. Am I able to get to move my storage tonight because of the stupid costume? :)
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 08:56 PM

I have vista and im getting some error at the top left of my screen that gives the options of ignore/cancel when it begins to load up (the black screen before it says ROSE) i tried reinsstalling, using genpatch, restarting comp, all that stuff, but it still isnt working..:/
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Posted 23 June 2011 - 11:52 PM

You know back during the soccer event in 2006, people created new accounts to earn more soccer balls and there was never any accusation of bug abuse or anything like this. It was allowed and people weren't accused of abuse. If you are concerned about people creating accounts to get more lucky spins, then perhaps the developers should have thought of the possibilities ahead of time. This isn't rocket science here. Something should have been put in place in the first place, such as not allowing trading coins or vending of the masks. In fact, why even allow the items to be broken down into coins if they couldn't be used for more lucky spins? The devs created these abilities so I think it is unfair to ban accounts and lecture players for doing what they were allowed by the game. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.



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They don't have any idea how bad do they things. They just update things without thinking about the consequences then at the worst time or at the last minute they appear with some crap that just makes everyone upset and leads to massive ticket spamming, with people complaining about leaving coins on alternative accounts. They should of just made a limit for every IP adress, not allow people to keep on creating accounts. If players got the coins from previous accounts they had that's nothing bad they had the accounts even before this event showed up, so why not take advantage?
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:17 AM

Why don't I quit? What in the hell would the fun be in that? I'm here until this terminally diseased of a cow finally takes its last breath(and is hopefully handed over to someone worthy in the community who can breathe some user-friendly life into it). To me, that's the end game content(along with the rebirth content). I better be made a GM in the new hands because I still have asses to kick and names to remember.

That is what I call a serious problem of narcissism. I am laughing my ass of here because you clearly think you're making a difference while alot if not most people just rather see you shut up.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:50 AM

Actually it was talked about Coffee, but we felt that the community could handle and not abuse, sadly the dual effect of a free spin + free item mall items (which was our fault) was too much to resist.
You are responding to me as if we waved some big ol' ban stick and went clubbing. Actually what was said was that we are blocking the accounts created to abuse and not going to block any players playing account. *Waves White Flag* You are jumping to conclusion, hopefully you have seen Office Space and can understand the reference there.


Hahahahaha. I just love the change of heart and sudden faith in human decency.
Or should I love the fact that you're a naïve bunch of noobies instead? :)

I hope you're meaning to block the accounts that are made now, so they can trade the coins in the future. There's no use for blocking accounts that have been milked dry already.

That is what I call a serious problem of narcissism. I am laughing my ass of here because you clearly think you're making a difference while alot if not most people just rather see you shut up.


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Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:58 AM

I decided to step down as a Moderator myself because I found a new study which is going to take up all my time -_- It's a study called Audio Visual Media (HKU Hilversum). I still want to have a chance at playing the game but Moderating next to that, I don't know if I will find the time :)

But at least I can now finally spend some time annoying and hating towards LadyPsyber, on a way which is still politically correct.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 02:16 AM

But at least I can now finally spend some time annoying and hating towards LadyPsyber, on a way which is still politically correct.


Have you ever heard of omission training (negative punishment). It's a technique in behavioral modification.

Behavior: tantrums
Reward: response and attention
The more attention you give, the more you stimulate that certain behavior. So by taking away the reward (or stimulus), you can condition someone to stop showing certain behavior.

Haven't you noticed the more you reply to her, the more she just keeps on flaming?
We're all tired of the behavior. Just stop enforcing it by giving any reply (negative or positive, doesn't matter). Ignore and it'll go away.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 04:28 AM

I can't believe I got jerk twice by DEV team this week. First with the account bound lucky spin items, I got stuck with different part on different account. Second with the account bound for the lucky coin, I were bought more than 200 coins earlier today. I plan to give them to my fighting accounts. Now those coins stuck on my vend account. Great. Friking Great.

CAN A GUY MAKE A HONEST PLAYING?


Instead of freaking out you should read the Patch Notes more carefully. They are account bound for a week only.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 04:59 AM

Hahahahaha. I just love the change of heart and sudden faith in human decency.
Or should I love the fact that you're a naïve bunch of noobies instead? :)

I hope you're meaning to block the accounts that are made now, so they can trade the coins in the future. There's no use for blocking accounts that have been milked dry already.


I think Doc has it right on point. What is the point in banning lvl 1 noobies with nothing on it. They're far from done with using that account's usage. For people who actually spent IM points to spin legit, this is a slap in their faces. Check for who created new accounts and really abused it and track the trade log of the new characters to whoever they passed it to.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 07:08 AM

It is the Development Team's fault for not having this well planned, now you guys punish the players by banning them for being greedy. With the new Casino (Lucky spin) implemented AND the given FREE spin wow so nice freebies (you think anything is really free in this world? It's a trap to make you buy more or make you stuck with a ninja suit without a ninja hat), now look again, who is the one being greedy here?

So sad to see people fall for this scam, gambling their real life money and didn't get what they pay for. Are we ready to face the next wave of troll and got our ass kicked?

Hm...durability boosting hammer?
level up candy?
rare drop boost medal (more Epic drops)?
more overpowered Clan War Weapon (so you have to do the venus/pluto boosting all over again)?
and then a bunch of "NEW" Ultimate 200 Item Mall Weapon that can make your Epic go sleep?

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 07:29 AM

We're all tired of the behavior. Just stop enforcing it by giving any reply (negative or positive, doesn't matter). Ignore and it'll go away.

I think I'm just saying it for my own personal satisfaction :)

No but for real now. If it would require me to dance naked on the street while wearing a pointed hat that sais 'Idiot' and singing a parody on the national anthem, just to have LadyPsyber remove herself from this forum for good? I'd kneel and beg for the opportunity.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 08:16 AM

I think I'm just saying it for my own personal satisfaction -_-

No but for real now. If it would require me to dance naked on the street while wearing a pointed hat that sais 'Idiot' and singing a parody on the national anthem, just to have LadyPsyber remove herself from this forum for good? I'd kneel and beg for the opportunity.



some people would say the same about you - Just pointing that out there... :)
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 08:29 AM

Instead of freaking out you should read the Patch Notes more carefully. They are account bound for a week only.

The problem is, "do we still have the same lucky item that we have now for next week? Are you sure the lucky spin still there next week? a week of waiting is not thing, but a week of waiting with uncertainty is something else. For example, when you boss called you for a private meeting next Monday, would you or would you not worry? If your company is making profit and you have a good relationship with your boss, you have nothing to worry about. However, if nothing is known, I am doubting you can sleep several nights before the meeting.

It is the Development Team's fault for not having this well planned, now you guys punish the players by banning them for being greedy. With the new Casino (Lucky spin) implemented AND the given FREE spin wow so nice freebies (you think anything is really free in this world? It's a trap to make you buy more or make you stuck with a ninja suit without a ninja hat), now look again, who is the one being greedy here?

So sad to see people fall for this scam, gambling their real life money and didn't get what they pay for. Are we ready to face the next wave of troll and got our ass kicked?

Hm...durability boosting hammer?
level up candy?
rare drop boost medal (more Epic drops)?
more overpowered Clan War Weapon (so you have to do the venus/pluto boosting all over again)?
and then a bunch of "NEW" Ultimate 200 Item Mall Weapon that can make your Epic go sleep?

From my own personal experiment, I wouldn't doubt the DEV Team's capacity for doing something without using their brain. I wouldn't doubt your prediction neither. They seem to practice ass kick lately especially toward honest players. Usually, we get one ass kick per a week. This week is special, we got 2. As for me, I got 3. First, i stuck with the account bound lucky items in wrong char. Second I stuck with massive lucky coins and mask in the wrong account. Third, Zep refuses to help transfer those item by stating,

Those items were never GIFTABLE, they were trade-able in-game and those were issues were resolved in 2 days of the patch release. I'm talking about items that have been account bound, but giftable for months and years.

What were never GIFTABLE items and what were resolved in 2 days of patch release? The mask certainly gift-able and trade able before. The coin is perfectly legitimate trade-able before Jun 23rd, 2011.

Unwanted Lucky Spin items can be broken down into Lucky Spin coins which can be dragged into the coin slot in the Lucky Spin window to convert the coins back into additional spins, 1 spin is given per 5 coins inserted. The Lucky Spin coins are also tradeable.

If the coins are legitimately trade-able before. Why can't GM and DEV Team help moving them to the correct account? From their collective statement, I think they belittle us a lot. At least in my theory, the reason, the GM and DEV Team say whatever they want and do whatever they see fit without any of our consent, is because they see us as some kids trying to get a freebie. Little that they know, some players actually have higher education than DEV team and GM do. It might sound a bit rude, but it is the truth.

hopefully you have seen Office Space and can understand the reference there.

The respect isn't given; it has to be earned. Even if DEV Team and GM force players to show them the respect, players may smile in front, but as soon as DEV Team and GM turn away, a fart in the face is waiting. I am sure it is hard to earn the respect, and I am sure it is difficult to lower yourself to other players, but that is what you must embrace if you want to change anything.

I think I'm just saying it for my own personal satisfaction :)

No but for real now. If it would require me to dance naked on the street while wearing a pointed hat that sais 'Idiot' and singing a parody on the national anthem, just to have LadyPsyber remove herself from this forum for good? I'd kneel and beg for the opportunity.

Although you dislike LadyPsyber, but you still have to admit she has many good points. Otherwise, both GM and CM already shut her up by banning her account. Like it or not, LadyPsyber already has the respects of many players while the DEV Team, GM, CM couldn't.
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Posted 24 June 2011 - 12:48 PM

The problem is, "do we still have the same lucky item that we have now for next week? Are you sure the lucky spin still there next week? a week of waiting is not thing, but a week of waiting with uncertainty is something else. For example, when you boss called you for a private meeting next Monday, would you or would you not worry? If your company is making profit and you have a good relationship with your boss, you have nothing to worry about. However, if nothing is known, I am doubting you can sleep several nights before the meeting.

If the coins are legitimately trade-able before. Why can't GM and DEV Team help moving them to the correct account? From their collective statement, I think they belittle us a lot. At least in my theory, the reason, the GM and DEV Team say whatever they want and do whatever they see fit without any of our consent, is because they see us as some kids trying to get a freebie. Little that they know, some players actually have higher education than DEV team and GM do. It might sound a bit rude, but it is the truth.


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If you have any Account bound items you wish to move to another account of your own, please PM Me with the full details and I'll be happy to work with you to make it happen. This applies to anyone who falls into this category.

Please note that I will not always be able to assist with this type of transaction, so this offer will only be available for a limited time.


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Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:04 PM

The solution was actually very, very, very simple.

They should've given a free spin to every ALREADY EXISTING account, instead of giving a free spin to the new accounts that were made after the update. As Coffee said, that's not rocket science.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:04 PM

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Thank you very much for giving me the direct quote by Zep

If you have any Account bound items you wish to move to another account of your own, please PM Me with the full details and I'll be happy to work with you to make it happen. This applies to anyone who falls into this category.

Please note that I will not always be able to assist with this type of transaction, so this offer will only be available for a limited time.

This is why i said what the GM said and does is completely opposite. They said whenever they see it fit, and denied it a minute later.

Trade-able, is not Gift-able. Questioning me on this is slightly irrelevant. The items were never GIFT-ABLE and therefore cannot be gifted now. Also, as I mentioned the TRADE-ABLE function was viewed as a bug/exploit and was remedied within 2 days of the patch.

We are talking about moving the lucky coin to the correct account by the way. Trading the coin is perfectly legitimate and intentional design on June 22, 2011.

Unwanted Lucky Spin items can be broken down into Lucky Spin coins which can be dragged into the coin slot in the Lucky Spin window to convert the coins back into additional spins, 1 spin is given per 5 coins inserted. The Lucky Spin coins are also tradeable.

Do you see the conflict in their statements?

Edited by ChampPower, 24 June 2011 - 01:24 PM.

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